TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #48

[TxLady2]

Ultimately, I am not sure that it really matters. SA has already said she was last seen by him @ 3:15. So it does not matter if she was out and about at noon anyway.

It matters if they think Hailey may have disappeared between Sun. night and Mon. morning. That possibility has been strongly suggested here several times, so yes, it does matter.
Since SA is the prime suspect, I would say that LE is not taking his statement as the truth. They need a verifiable accounting of when Hailey was last seen, and if this hairdresser's statement can be confirmed, that narrows down the timeline a bit. And removes Billie from being on the suspect list, since she was at work and I'm sure that has been verified easlily enough.

 

[grandmaj]

Holy crap I hope they're not talking about *my* timetable! :back: :truce:

:lol: no.

 

[Patty G]

I sure would love to know more details about this threat against BD and Hailey and why someone would notify LE of the threat and BD didn't notify LE personally about the threat.

Why would someone threaten both of them in the first place? Odd, that there is only a threat against BD and Haily and never include her son too!

Did BD do something to this individual that would cause the threat? Could this be a "road rage" incident, or stealing a parking place, stealing something from the store, or an ex BF who is not happy?

Was this a total stranger that reported the threat, or was it someone that knew both BD and Hailey as well as the person making the threat? Was BD with SA and Hailey when the threat happened?

So many unanswered questions ...

 

[LisaB]

If noone saw Hailey on Monday as the article states..... LE is unable to confirm ANY witness accounts of Hailey on monday...then the last to see Hailey are both billie and SA.....imo

It still strikes me as odd that they want a second witness to confirm the sighting by the first. That doesn't seem likely to happen. What sort of confirmation are they looking for? Perhaps the "little boy" is disputing JBs statement?

 

[Velouria]

I think a press conference is a good idea at this point. CZ...Billie needs to make it very clear at the start that she will not be taking any questions (if she doesn't want to) and also that she doesn't give a rats a@@ what people think of her anymore...we need to find Hailey and that is her only priority. I think it would also be a good if Clint and his gf could be there...along with Billie's family if possible.

Redcat, I'm with you there. I think as many family members from both sides would be a good idea.

Which brings me around to one of the things that has been bugging me about Billie's words to Hailey.

I guess I've sat through so many of these sad cases that I'm used to hearing parents say something along the lines of:

"Your daddy and I love you more than anything honey and miss you so much. And your brother says he is saving his allowance to buy you that new game you want for your birthday. Your nana and Aunt Janie and all of us love you and miss you and just want you to come home safe to us."
​

When I hear Billie address Hailey, I hear plenty of "I" and "me", but nary a mention of the rest of Hailey's family.

"I need you home. Call 911 'cause I don't have my phone. I miss you and I need to know you're okay.
​

Just something that stands out to me, and is MOO.

 

[LisaB]

I don't understand why you don't understand. If someone hasn't said or done a blessed thing that's suspicious, and has a good alibi, why in the world would LE poly them? If LE has people - from the home - they can't get over the huge brick walls to get past - why in the world would they start pulling in others who haven't shown any signs of involvement? Now that's what I don't understand.

I thought Marc Klaas made it pretty cut and dried when he said that the first thing all parents of a missing child need to do is pass a polygraph so they can be positively eliminated from the suspect pool. Clint is being refused a test when he asks for it. Why?

 

[watchful_eye]

I won't make this lengthy. I smell HINK on Billie and Shawn. More so Shawn. Drug use by the both of them, inconsistencies in both their stories, the found trove of murder/rape news articles, Hailey's fear/dislike toward Shawn, and Shawn's dark hobbies and lifestyle are GINORMOUS RED FLAGS to me.

 

[LisaB]

SA ........is NOT the stepfather, he is the Boyfriend of BD!

I know but did not feel it was appropriate to edit a quote and then claim it was a quote. The article said stepfather, so I left it that way.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Jean assumed she was headed to a store, but of course wasn't sure.

My point is that LE is assuming Jean saw her Sunday instead of Monday because she is on tape Sunday. Even though Jean is closed on Sunday, and remembers whose hair she was doing and thus knows the time she saw Hailey because she has a sign in book..... if only the person whose hair she was doing could confirm - but the customer at the time has alzheimers, so no help there.

How did the customer get to the beauty shop? Usually people with alzheimers have someone that helps them. Was she taken there and picked up? Or did she live that close by that the hair lady walked over and got her and walked her home? I would think this customer would have someone helping her and could help verify or dispute when she got her hair done - and while the alzheimers lady couldn't help - surely her "aide" would.

 

[daisy7]

If someone hasn't said or done a blessed thing that's suspicious, and has a good alibi, why in the world would LE poly them?

Respectfully snipped by me. Clint lives across the street and LE was told by SA that Hailey was going to his house before going to spend the night at her friend's. Considering this, it really bothers me that he has NOT been given a poly. I don't suspect him of doing anything, but it makes me wonder if LE just has tunnel vision in this case. KWIM?

 

[LisaB]

It would be very easy for these witnesses to be told what Hailey was wearing on Sunday. They have been investigated and are not credible sightings per LE. LE knows what Hailey was wearing because they have the video. Perhaps they already asked these proclaimed witnesses what she was wearing and that was part of the vetting criteria.

If they said she was wearing the same thing as in the video that would not prove 100% that it was Sunday that they saw her, as she could have worn the same or similar on Monday.

If what they claimed to have seen her in was different from what was on the video, it increases the likelihood that it was another day, although it is possible she changed clothing during the day (Sunday).

 

[LisaB]

How did the customer get to the beauty shop? Usually people with alzheimers have someone that helps them. Was she taken there and picked up? Or did she live that close by that the hair lady walked over and got her and walked her home? I would think this customer would have someone helping her and could help verify or dispute when she got her hair done - and while the alzheimers lady couldn't help - surely her "aide" would.

I'm thinking LE doesn't doubt that Jean did the alzheimer's patient's hair on Monday, but had originally hoped that the customer would be someone who would ALSO recall seeing Hailey to confirm that the sighting was Monday. Just proving that the alzheimers patient was THERE Monday confirms nothing about the alleged sighting, and might actually cause more people to cry foul because the only person who could have verified JBs sighting "conveniently" has alzheimers.

 

[cluciano63]

While I do think LE should have polygraphed Clint, right now I am more concerned with the people who took the tests and did not pass and wish they would offer to take another test. When you've got the last person claiming to see Hailey, and the person closest to him (her mother) not passing, it does not exactly seem like "tunnel vision" to focus on them.

 

[Kamille]

How did the customer get to the beauty shop? Usually people with alzheimers have someone that helps them. Was she taken there and picked up? Or did she live that close by that the hair lady walked over and got her and walked her home? I would think this customer would have someone helping her and could help verify or dispute when she got her hair done - and while the alzheimers lady couldn't help - surely her "aide" would.

I was just going to post that Wise Old Owl. Does anyone have the link for the hairdresser video? I thought she said she had just finished so this person might not even have been there. And wasn't there some talk about a granddaughter there also?

But an alzheimers patient didn't just get there on there own IMO. So there is someone else who we would assume is reliable to confirm the date of the appointment. Doesn't mean that the hairdresser wasn't mistaken about it though. Maybe she did go out to the shop for a brief moment on Sunday to check supplies and that's when she saw her but things are jumbled for her. Who knows.

There's a lot of things LE look at with these sitings. Do we even know if NS's son was at the home on the Monday? Maybe he was with his father or other relatives?

MOO

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I'm thinking LE doesn't doubt that Jean did the alzheimer's patient's hair on Monday, but had originally hoped that the customer would be someone who would ALSO recall seeing Hailey to confirm that the sighting was Monday. Just proving that the alzheimers patient was THERE Monday confirms nothing about the alleged sighting, and might actually cause more people to cry foul because the only person who could have verified JBs sighting "conveniently" has alzheimers.

That's a really good point. Just because she got her hair done on Monday wouldn't help prove or disprove the sighting. Thank you. It does make it a little more "convenient" with being able to prove the sighting was on Monday.

 

[cluciano63]

PS-Even if sightings of H are valid on Monday noonish...what does this have to do with SA and 3pm? Wouldn't someone have been peeking out their window at that time, or walking or driving by? Wouldn't H have tried calling MB again closer to 3pm before she took off? SA is still the last person to see her...all a confirmed sighting would do is prove she was alive and well at noon.

 

[Kamille]

While I do think LE should have polygraphed Clint, right now I am more concerned with the people who took the tests and did not pass and wish they would offer to take another test. When you've got the last person claiming to see Hailey, and the person closest to him (her mother) not passing, it does not exactly seem like "tunnel vision" to focus on them.

What happened to the other people BD claimed took the test and failed? Didn't she say she didn't even know one of them? :waitasec:

 

[TxLady2]

BBM. Lanie, I don't recall hearing anything about this tormenting BD and DD. Do you have a link? TIA.

I heard Billie mention this on NG, the night they were breaking the news about DD being removed from the home. She said people were driving by and screaming nasty things at them, and that the kids at school were giving him a bad time.
I'm too lazy to go look for the link, but it should be easy to find in the transcripts. I do remember her saying it though, it didn't just come from her friend.

 

[Kimster]

I probably should not ask this... but I wonder if cz is trying to help us figure this out by "thanking" posts that reveal things she cant...

I'm not trying to pick on this post. I do need to address these thoughts though cuz others may think the same thing.

Cz is not trying to use any codes. She is here because she wants to see if we have any brainstorms on how to find Hailey. If you have a question about her information, feel free to ask her. If she can't answer the question, she will either say she can't or she won't address the question at all.

Cz is a member here just like all of us. Please don't read into what she is saying. Sometimes CZ speculates along with the rest of us to try and find answers, so let's give her the same freedom we all enjoy on WS. I hope that makes sense!

:grouphug:

 

[belimom]

........

The press conference at this time...... because the media is becoming disinterested in the case. Yes, she is mentioned from time to time, but her face needs to be plastered all over the TV at intervals all day long. And we hope that PK and also Clint will make statements.

........

czgtz...

I think the media is going to naturally lose interest at some point because it has been a month, sad to say. And I think it hurts Billie more than helps to have over-exposure. It's like 'here she goes again - we've seen her already and heard that already', kwim?

I wanted to bring this post of mine forward because I think that the more Billie explains/answers questions about herself, the worse she looks. It really doesn't matter what the public thinks, IMHO, but if she wants people to focus on Hailey and not on her, perhaps she can try what Elizabeth Smart did with NG:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6017419&postcount=300"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #25[/ame]

bbm

Originally Posted by belimom

Quote:
Originally Posted by czgtz
....
Billie does not want to have to answer questions about herself. The only reason she continues to appear on NG is because it is national exposure - it is getting Hailey's face out there in the hopes that someone has seen her.
....

I do agree that no guest has much control over the direction of NG's questions. It would take a mighty strong and confident person to change the direction of the line of questioning. The only time I've ever seen anyone try to get her to focus on their message was Elizabeth Smart.

I don't watch Nancy Grace very often - just when a case I'm following from here is on. But I did notice that when Elizabeth Smart was on NG to talk about a new sex offender bill that she is involved with, and NG kept pushing her to talk about her abduction. She finally told NG that she didn't appreciate what she was doing - it's the only time I've ever seen someone be strong enough to stand up to NG (again, I don't watch her much either):

Quote:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0607/18/ng.01.html

GRACE: Did your kidnappers tell you they would hurt you or your family if you tried to get away?

ELIZABETH SMART: You know, they did. And I really am here to support the bill and not to go into what -- you know, what happened to me, what the whole -- like, what is in my past because I`m not here to give an interview on that. I`m here to help push this bill through.

GRACE: And I want you to push the bill through and I want people to hear your voice.

When we take a look back, there`s a shot of Elizabeth Smart, and here she is, four years later. And frankly, it`s a miracle that she was ever found. You know, a lot of people have seen shots of you wearing a burqa. How did you see out of that thing?

ELIZABETH SMART: You know, I`m really not going to talk about this at this time. I mean, that`s something I just don`t even look back at. And I really -- I really -- to be frankly honest, I really don`t appreciate you bringing all this up.