TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #49

[yllek]

If LE can't find him, how could they possibly be pursuing him? This is CCPD we are talking about...they have three officers.

My fear is that CCPD may not have shared this threat with the other investigating agencies. I am not surprized at all that CCPD can't find him. I don't believe for one minute that Texas Rangers, FBI and Secret Service couldn't find him pretty quick.

MOO

According to Billie herself, LE can't find him. I interpret that to mean they are looking for/pursuing him. I'm not making any assumptions about whether she is referring CCPD Investigators only or if they have pulled in other LE agencies; we don't know. It could be just CCPD, as you noted. My point was that mystery man definitely knows who he is if he did indeed make prior threats and he has Hailey. Assuming there is any validity to this story, so far LE hasn't been able to find him and he might have been unaware he was even on LE's radar; just sittin' back thinking the sole focus in on SA. Then, Billie makes this statement and all of a sudden he realizes this gig is up. Not good for Hailey. JMO. :twocents:

From Billie http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336276:
"Investigators know about it but haven't questioned him. They can't find him. He did threaten to hurt me and Hailey and he hasn't been talked to and he hasn't been found," said Dunn.

 

[lillys]

I have a 7 year old grandchild that is too smart. Really a bright child. Now I've been thinking about this. If someone came to him the next day and said where you walking with Grammy down by the park yesterday he would remember the details very well and say yes.

But if someone said to him what day were you walking with gram down by the park? He might have trouble pin pointing the day. He'd probably remember if it was within 2 days. But if he was not asked for several days I don't think he could say oh yes that was Monday.

Exactly! that's how my kids would have reacted when they were little. It's hard for little children to remember which day they did something. They remember the something....just not the day they did it.

 

[daisy7]

I have a 7 year old grandchild that is too smart. Really a bright child. Now I've been thinking about this. If someone came to him the next day and said where you walking with Grammy down by the park yesterday he would remember the details very well and say yes.

But if someone said to him what day were you walking with gram down by the park? He might have trouble pin pointing the day. He'd probably remember if it was within 2 days. But if he was not asked for several days I don't think he could say oh yes that was Monday.

My 8 yo would be able to say the day that something happened, even if it's a few weeks or months ago, but I know this is not the norm with kids. Though, most kids should be able to know the day based on something else that happened that day. Such as, it was the same day that my grandmother took me out for ice cream

It could be entirely true that the boy was misrembering. But, if LE did discount what he said based solely on his age, that is very disturbing.

 

[noneareworthy]

I don't know about this... During the past year and a half, HD has lived with a variety of people (here and there, sometimes for a week or a month). Her father has lived across the street (and where else?) with his gf (who was pregnant for most of this time). Her mother has had a bf not much older than her brother for several years. He, too, is in and out of the house and lives here and there. Her parents are still married. According to ppl in the community, she pretty much did as she pleased. As it seemed, the brother also comes and goes. HD's sweet, but she could probably beat up any boy in the school (according to a teacher). The household is "volatile" and was volatile even when CD lived there. Her mother and her bf had no problem with taking out the last of their money to buy drugs a day or two after Christmas. And ppl criticize LE for looking into the possibility that this girl was a runaway???

Seems to me that HD has stayed the night SOMEWHERE before and not with MB. Then?? Teachers reported her as "street smart"---maybe she is hiding somewhere.... the polygraph showed deception because in reality BD and SA ARE responsible for her disappearance. BD = poor parenting, never really knowing where she was (or caring) SA = for wishing she wasn't there

 

[Peliman]

If she gives a presser and does little more than defend and make excuses for SA, it will be a nightmare and she will regret not having a PR person. moo

Would you rather she gives a laid out coached speech that really says nothing. You really can't unring a bell that's already been rung. I believe in natural, unrehearsed, spontaneous speech. JMO

 

[Lanie]

I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, Anyway, I think the link I just posted is for CZ's post which first introduces the 2 witnesses who stated they saw Hailey on Monday, Dec. 27th. At this point Hailey was allegedly walking with another girl and a boy. I don't know if this is in reference to JB or not. This post is dated Dec. 31.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123835"]TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


ETA: BBM. If this is JB, the 'another girl' could be confusion on the part of the reporter, I remember several people misunderstanding what was said and thinking Hailey was walking with JB's granddaughter.

 

[Caligram]

I think that we aren't getting many answers from LE because they would have to state "who, what, when, where and how". That would mean they would have to point out each "untruth" what was "untrue" and who spoke the "untruth".
Did anyone find where LE backed up BD's claim that she had spent 12 hours at the PD being questioned. Is that data not available because it was not true?
Perhaps LE isn't ready yet to brand any statements made by BD and SA as outright lies. If both are proven to be outright liars, isn't that a criminal act? Attempting to interfere in a criminal investigation is not something to be taken lightly.

 

[Denyl2005]

According to family friend Donna Beyerley, Hailey was living with Clint for possibly a few weeks leading up to the holidays. She is quoted in the same article that Wise Old Owl posted regarding MB's mom's statements.


http://www.reporternews.com/news/201...er=yahoo_feeds

Okay, I'm confused again. I thought BD said Hailey had been sleeping on her couch until a week before she disappeared. The family friend says Hailey was staying with CD for a few weeks before the holidays (because she didn't like SA), CD and BD both said Hailey spent Christmas day and overnight with CD. If all of this is true, Sunday the 26th may have been the first night Hailey stayed at BD's for over a month.

 

[lillys]

Would you rather she gives a laid out coached speech that really says nothing. You really can't unring a bell that's already been rung. I believe in natural, unrehearsed, spontaneous speech. JMO

I think she needs a PR person......period.
She's needs advice, not a speech writer.

 

[TGIRecovered]

So with the latest development we know that BD thinks that a man who supposedly made threats against her and HD a year ago (or whenever it was) should be a suspect and that LE should question him, but SA who threatened both BD and HD (to kill them no less) should not be a suspect and that LE needs to be looking elsewhere. Does this strike anyone else as odd? And just how can BD explain that away? Why is the one man more of a suspect than SA?

Personally I think that BD needs to stay away from all media. No more interviews, no more talking to them period. If BD wants to have the information out there about HD then let CD do the talking. He seems to be able to make sense and doesn't lie at the drop of a hat (IMO).

Nobody suggested that this man should be more of a suspect than SA. BD simply said that CCPD had a report of this man's threat , did not inform her of the threat until two weeks after Hailey went missing, and that the CCPD told her that they can't find the man.

Anyone who has threatened a little girl who then disappears needs to be thoroughly checked out. The fact that this man seems to be missing from such a small town at the same time that Hailey is missing is alarming. One of the first questions I asked when Hailey disappeared was "who else is missing?" Whether SA did this or not, the other guy has to be ruled out in order to avoid giving the real kidnapper an easy "reasonable doubt" defense.

I would be the last person to defend SA. I think he has serious personality problems and is dangerous. I think he likes killing. He had plenty of opportunity to harm Hailey.

I don't believe that CCPD would have ever even mentioned this other guy to Billie if they werent afraid it might come back to bite them in the butt. Neglecting to inform her of the threat at the time that it was reported was irresponsible. Now Hailey is gone.

IMO, they would know where he is and where he has been since 12-27-10 if they had shared the details of this threat with the FBI , Secret Service, and Rangers. It will be interesting to see what those agencies have to say about it.:twocents:

MOO

 

[curiousc]

The road ahead: what's to come in the search for missing teen Hailey Dunn
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/the-road-ahead/

 

[czgtz]

The hair dresser's client supposedly has Alzheimer's (as per Billie to our WS poster).

IMO, doesn't make it so.

This didn't come from Billie. I went to JB's salon and asked her myself about seeing Hailey. She has a 'sign in' book/log, and I asked her if the person who was in the salon getting her hair done when she saw Hailey could confirm it. JB said probably not, because the lady had alzheimers.

I did not think to ask if someone was there with her, or had dropped her off. Someone here mentioned that maybe the customer might have had the appointment date written on her calander. And then that made me wonder if perhaps she paid with a check, and it was dated 12-27. I'm going to call and ask JB about the check - I didnt ask who the customer was.

A little O/T, but it would not surprise me one bit if the customer drove herself, alzheimers or not.... there are degrees of the disease process - also, lots of people say alzheimers or 'old timers' diesease, and it might be dementia or just plain forgetfulness/confusion that comes with aging. (I am not saying JB doesn't know for sure - like I said, I didnt ask who the customer was.) Anyway, there are plenty of people in town who have no business driving around, but do anyway, license or not.

 

[Lanie]

I don't think it has been confirmed what she bought. I believe that it has been confirmed she was seen on Video tape on Sunday at a store I'm not sure which one.

She was caught on video on that Sunday at the Dollar General (though I believe it is constantly referred to as the 'Dollar Store') and also at the Alco Discount store, which is just 2 or 3 blocks from the Dollar Store.

TMK, (and I believe I have read at least 95% of what has been released, IMO) nothing has been released about any purchases she made, or even if she purchased anything.

 

[Curious Me]

YW and I interpret that to mean the little boy is too young to testify to day (date).

I don't think a 7 year old is too young to remember things but would they remember day and time.

I can't find something definite about what age a child is considered too young to be a witness. We only want to know which day, so maybe LE figures it can be verified elsewhere to avoid getting the minor involved.

I know young children do testify, and wonder why it sounds like an odd LE reason not to pin down the day.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/courts_92/courtsk.cfm

 

[Melanie]

Hailey Dunn Case - Hailey's father passing out flyers on Mexican border

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwlYXZ4X14I

Thank you for the video (hadn't seen it). Curious though - why on earth would tips go to him personally? Why was his cell phone number splashed on the screen. ermmmm....isn't this what detectives are for?

Not that I mind it, just bothered, dazed, and confoosed.

MOO

Mel

 

[txsvicki]

I'd still like to know if the threat made by the man that can't be found was done online. Many people would contact cops if some bizarre member of a forum made a threat against a woman and her young daughter in a certain town. It's also the type of thing that cops might not bother to follow up on, too. Men can get angry and threaten a woman, but to threaten a daughter as well is pretty unbelievable.

 

[grandmaj]

I can't find something definite about what age a child is considered too young to be a witness. We only want to know which day, so maybe LE figures it can be verified elsewhere to avoid getting the minor involved.

I know young children do testify, and wonder why it sounds like an odd LE reason not to pin down the day.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/courts_92/courtsk.cfm

That is what the Hairdresser is quoted as saying that LE said. It might be jumbled up ya know. It is possible that the child didn't remember correctly and was just not a good witness to this event. Added with the tape of Hailey on Sunday in the stores and not Monday.

Since LE hasn't addressed this in detail we don't know.

 

[Melanie]

Has the discovery of socks and hair found in Big Spring, which is being reported by Bigcountry at http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336396 been discussed yet? Sorry if I'm bringing up something y'all have already hashed out.

I hope they're testing as we speak. This would negate the report that Hailey walked out of the house in flip flops. No teen would ever wear socks with flip flops!

MOO

Mel

 

[Beyond Belief]

I definitely believe the youngster should be interviewed especially on the lines if he and Hailey had any encounters with strangers, anyone being too friendly. All little kids know 'stranger danger' and they really do pay attention. Now sounds the cow thing, moo.

 

[LisaB]

Good point!! How old is the little boy? I thought about 7, right?
I think what the problem with the little boy is, by the time Hailey was reported missing, and depending on when he was questioned, he might not be positive about which day it was. Children his age have been found to be credible witnesses, but usually when they are questioned immediately.... not several days later.
I am assuming, of course, that this info didn't come up immediately, like the day she disappeared.
I've got a 6-1/2 y.o. grandson. If he was in the same situation, he would remember that it was 'yesterday', but I'm not sure he would be able to say what day of the week it was.

When my step-grandson was that age, he would surprise us with his specific memories of things from years earlier (places we had gone, Christmas gifts received, etc.) Unfortunately, while his memory was good, he could not always be believed. I am sure a lot of it was "kids stretching the truth" but this kid would tell you that he was allowed to eat candy for breakfast, did not need to bathe or brush his teeth, and had no bedtime, because that was how it was at home. The truth is, it WASN'T like that at home, and it was really frustrating trying to reason/argue with a 6-7 year old about something as petty as what he usually drinks with his breakfast.

He may (or may not) have been a witness to a series of extremely traumatic events, involving domestic violence in one case, and a "manslaughter" in the other. His mom was sure he had not seen either event, but he occasionally offered up tidbits that appeared to be genuine memories. At other times he claimed he wasn't even present. His grandfather tried to "encourage him" to talk about what had happened, and sometimes his stories were a bit far-fetched, though not impossible.

I was never sure my husband wasn't inadvertently encouraging the child to make up stories for approval, in the event he hadn't seen a thing. When he got older, I don't think he could distinguish between what he said he saw and what he really did see when he was younger, since the two got sort of jumbled in his mind.

I suspect kids go through a stage where the distinction is being established in their minds between fact and fiction, truth and falsehood, and that at that age, storytelling is more likely evidence of a vivid imagination than dishonesty. I don't think he really understood the importance of being truthful yet. He would have made a TERRIBLE witness, and it was fortunate that the "manslaughterer" pleaded guilty before a decision had to be made about the child's ability to testify.

MEO (My Experience Only).

My $0.02