TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #49

[czgtz]

Just guessing that BD's definition of "blessing" is different than LE's??

ETA: I'm also guessing that LE is ACTUALLY briefing her on what she is allowed to say, and the word "blessing" is being used by the BD camp as SPIN.

Billie called PK as a courtesy to let him know that she would be making a statement, and ask him if he would also like to make a statement. She can say anything she wants to... LE can't tell her that she is not allowed to say anything. I was not trying to put a spin on anything when I used the word 'blessing'.... it was just the word that came out in my thought process. Maybe it was not the perfect word to use, but it was absolutely not a disguise for 'briefing', which is not what the meeting is.

 

[Texas Mist]

Despite less attention, missing-persons cases such as Hailey Dunn's can be sustained until closure

Shortly after the disappearance of Colorado City girl Hailey Dunn, City Manager Pete Kampfer remembers talking with a visibly fatigued chief of police about a case that "just would not quit."

Weeks later, there remains no resolution in Hailey's disappearance that was reported Dec. 28, the case having amassed expansive media attention, a massive volunteer effort and help from an army of law enforcement groups and national organizations devoted to finding missing children.

much more here

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/the-road-ahead/

 

[CKay]

I am assuming it checked out because they have said there is no credible evidence of a sighting of Hailey on Monday. Thus the apparent sighting of her with MB HAS been discounted.

And it does not appear as though MB and her family are currently under suspicion or investigation anymore/

I'm not trying to argue with you at all. I initially agreed with your post that started out "If Hailey really did make it to MB's ...." (about someone spotting HD, MB and another person on Monday, late afternoon or evening on Monday).

Then we talked about that she was questioned, and I pointed out that her Mom said she cried etc.

I don't agree with your assumption that she checked out, that's all ... only because it IS known that some stories/facts aren't matching up (or however Mr. K chooses to describe it on any given day), and we don't know which.

They have said that any spottings have not been corroborated ... which is different than not being credible (discussed earlier).

MOO

 

[grandmaj]

OK here is the deal. You can question what is being told to you but don't attack the poster or BD. Be respectful.

And do not snark back and forth. Enough of that.

 

[Texas Mist]

<snip>

"All you can do is hope a break will come, that a tip will help move you toward a resolution," he said. "That's how most of these cases will resolve."

Other times, a re-examination of evidence will provide further clues. Matteson said.

"It's doubtful that you will have anyone confess," he said, especially the longer a case hangs on.

Realistically, the longer a case lingers, the less likely it is to be solved, Matteson said.

But there are other ways to charge people with crimes, he said, to give some closure for friends and family.

"If the FBI or federal agencies are involved, and they made false statements to them, those are chargeable under federal law," he said. "Lying to a federal agent is a crime — and a felony offense."

much more here

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/the-road-ahead/

 

[denkster69]

I believe the mystery man could possibly be a rumor or something that the LE is spreading around, in order to get others to RELAX!!!: banghead:

 

[grandmaj]

Billie called PK as a courtesy to let him know that she would be making a statement, and ask him if he would also like to make a statement. She can say anything she wants to... LE can't tell her that she is not allowed to say anything. I was not trying to put a spin on anything when I used the word 'blessing'.... it was just the word that came out in my thought process. Maybe it was not the perfect word to use, but it was absolutely not a disguise for 'briefing', which is not what the meeting is.

I'm going to put this as gently as I can. Yes, LE can tell BD not to repeat inside information about the investigation. If she chooses to disregard that, they will just begin to withhold sensitive information.

I believe that is why people questioned the word blessing. Because in truth that is saying that LE is putting their stamp of approval on her making this statement.

It is symantics but it is what happens in these investigations. I've seen it before where the facts dried up to the parents because they were leaking it to the press. I've seen public statements to the parents pleading with them to get clearance before releasing sensitive information. LE can decide what information is made public.

ETA: The reason for doing this is to protect the victim in this case Hailey in case she is alive, and being held by someone. And this is a criminal investigation. And while LE wants to share what they can with the parents, they won't at the expense of an investigation if the parents don't comply with confidentiality. I'm not saying that is the case here. Only the norm.

 

[christee]

I hope they're testing as we speak. This would negate the report that Hailey walked out of the house in flip flops. No teen would ever wear socks with flip flops!

MOO

Mel

I have a 19 year old daughter who does this very thing. It looks really uncomfortable to me but she loves her "flops"-even in cold weather.

 

[tezi]

Billie is not trying to deflect any attention away from SA. Although it has upset her that SA was named a suspect (and why wouldn't it... the man you love accused of doing something to your child - and every emotion that would come with that) she realizes that, by his own actions, he has put himself in the hot seat. She does however want every single avenue investigated.

The threat by someone in the past was brought to her attention by LE - she didn't just pull it out of thin air. And she is meeting with PK in the morning to go over what all she can discuss and to what detail she can go into when she makes her statement Monday. She is not doing this without LE's blessing.

BBM in RED: Well, CZ, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point. She has stated that she thought about it for a short time and she doesn't see how he could be involved (or something to that effect), that speaks volumes for her deflecting attention away from him. She's in touch with him by text or telephone, at least she admits that, that shows she's either in deep, deep denial or she knows exactly what he did to Hailey, either with her help or not. And if she suspects that he did something to Hailey, it's not like he's going to confess it to her. He isn't about to lose her by confessing. So, why is she even talking to him on the phone, unless she totally believes in his innocence (IOW, she's in deep denial about his involvement), or they are both responsible for what happened to Hailey and are hoping to get away with it? Or maybe they are just talking about the weather and the redecorating of Billie's living room.

BBM in Blue: My feelings on this are that if LE can't locate this man and haven't been able to find a trace of him in two weeks, then why haven't they released the information to the general public? I mean, if this guy exists, the public could provide an invaluable service by helping locate him. LE should release his name, his physical description, his last known address, his vehicle information, and any aliases to help locate him. Plus, it would probably be good for LE to assure the general public that this guy isn't any threat to the public. It's not like it's a big secret since BD spilled the beans about him yesterday.

BTW, do you know if BD had LE's blessing to release this information? Or did she do it on her own? If LE didn't want this information being released and she released it anyway, that looks really bad for BD. It looks like she is deflecting again for SA. I would think this information should have come from LE, not the mother of the victim.

JMO, IMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers.

 

[grandmaj]

OK let's try this again.

Would it be correct to say CZ that Billie invited PK to make a statement at the press conference, that she has alerted him to what she wants to say and that tomorrow they are going to meet and discuss matters and subjects relative to this press conference ?

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Good night all...praying tomorrow is Hailey's day!

 

[OneLove]

OK let's try this again.

Would it be correct to say CZ that Billie invited PK to make a statement at the press conference, that she has alerted him to what she wants to say and that tomorrow they are going to meet and discuss matters and subjects relative to this press conference ?

And would it be correct to say that BD is doing this in a "cooperative" manner with agencies involved in her daughter's safety and well-being?

 

[winterrose]

this is interesting...

Kampfer said that he wants to work with school counselors and others to better track children in "dysfunctional situations" to help prevent such a scenario from happening again.

"It's about churches being involved, schools, the police department," he said.

Parental education, Kampfer believes, is another essential component to the town's renewed emphasis on safety.

 

[bessie]

Billie called PK as a courtesy to let him know that she would be making a statement, and ask him if he would also like to make a statement. She can say anything she wants to... LE can't tell her that she is not allowed to say anything. I was not trying to put a spin on anything when I used the word 'blessing'.... it was just the word that came out in my thought process. Maybe it was not the perfect word to use, but it was absolutely not a disguise for 'briefing', which is not what the meeting is.

Just as "coaching" was the word that came to mind when I read that PK is meeting with Billie to "go over" -- instruct her -- on what she can say, and which details she can reveal to the press. I did not twist your words, but apparently I did misunderstand their meaning. Because the statement directly followed a reference to the alleged "threat", it was taken in that context. Capping it off with a declaration that LE gave her their "blessing" left me astounded, to say the least. I had to get up and walk away from the computer.

I apologize if I offended you and thank you for the clarification.

 

[winterrose]

Reading that article makes you realize what a small town it is,but it seems they're doing all they can to make it safer with more streetlights in downtown and residential areas and put in video cameras around schools and other areas frequented by children.Plus hiring two more officers,which I imagine with thier budget is a big deal,but disheartening tips are so low now.

 

[OneLove]

Just as "coaching" was the word that came to mind when I read that PK is meeting with Billie to "go over" -- instruct her -- on what she can say, and which details she can reveal to the press. I did not twist your words, but apparently I did misunderstand their meaning. Because the statement directly followed a reference to the alleged "threat", it was taken in that context. Capping it off with a declaration that LE gave her their "blessing" left me astounded, to say the least. I had to get up and walk away from the computer.

I apologize if I offended you and thank you for the clarification.

This very dynamic seems to have been a HUGE obstruction in solving this case: unraveling the meaning of the words used is often a very difficult puzzle. What is actually SAID turns out oftentimes to not BE what is MEANT. I've had to learn the last few weeks to interpret statements differently than the ordinary. This could be innocent 'mis-statements', or it could be intentionally misleading/ manipulative. There is no way we can know which until this case is solved. God Bless Hailey

ETA: I can certainly understand the frustration of LE. Heck, I'm even beginning to understand the frustration of the man who complained last February via 'radio device' about the "going at it all day".

 

[czgtz]

OK let's try this again.

Would it be correct to say CZ that Billie invited PK to make a statement at the press conference, that she has alerted him to what she wants to say and that tomorrow they are going to meet and discuss matters and subjects relative to this press conference ?

Yes, I suppose that is correct. Although I actually have her statement and timeline here so that I can type it up for her, so I do not want to give the impression that he is going to actually look at exactly what she is going to say and give it his 'stamp of approval.'

 

[czgtz]

Reading the last few statements, I feel like everyone is expecting Billie to name the person who made the threat. I did not say that. When I posted about her making a statement Monday, I said that she is going to be covering the events of December 26 - 28. Right after that, I was asked about the threat, and said what I could.... but I did not mean to imply in any way that Billie was going to be 'naming names.'

I agree with the general consensus that LE needs to release this person's name, description, etc. to the public if they cannot find him. If nothing else, he absolutely needs to be checked out and cleared. And I also agree that releasing information like this is LE's place, not anyone else's. If however, he is not located fairly quickly, I don't feel like it is right to just let this fade away. If it was important enough to bring up after so long, then it should be followed through on.

 

[Sheik]

Reading the last few statements, I feel like everyone is expecting Billie to name the person who made the threat. I did not say that. When I posted about her making a statement Monday, I said that she is going to be covering the events of December 26 - 28. Right after that, I was asked about the threat, and said what I could.... but I did not mean to imply in any way that Billie was going to be 'naming names.'

I agree with the general consensus that LE needs to release this person's name, description, etc. to the public if they cannot find him. If nothing else, he absolutely needs to be checked out and cleared. And I also agree that releasing information like this is LE's place, not anyone else's. If however, he is not located fairly quickly, I don't feel like it is right to just let this fade away. If it was important enough to bring up after so long, then it should be followed through on.

Well if BD released the name to you then she should release the name to the public as well. Who knows, one of us may actually know the person or where to find him. As a parent I would do anything if it meant finding my child.

 

[OneLove]

Yes, I suppose that is correct. Although I actually have her statement and timeline here so that I can type it up for her, so I do not want to give the impression that he is going to actually look at exactly what she is going to say and give it his 'stamp of approval.'

BBM

So she will NOT be telling him what she is going to say, and will NOT be gaining approval? (don't think they really "stamp", its just another one of those emotion-laden words really)

Okay.

So that also answers the question about COOPERATION. Thanks.