TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #49

[my_tee_mouse]

Just hitting the thanks button was not enough. This was the first thing that came to my mind. Most likely why LE told BD about this threat when trying to straighten out this mess of who threatened BD and HD.

Except: SA admitted to LE he threatened both of them.

See Page 14, first full paragraph:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...edia/dox/pdf/2011_01/HaileyDunnAffidavits.PDF

 

[sorrell skye]

Except: SA admitted to LE he threatened both of them.

See Page 14, first full paragraph:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...edia/dox/pdf/2011_01/HaileyDunnAffidavits.PDF

Yes, indeedy, he did, according to the affidavit, and I have no reason to doubt the sworn statements of the officers who interviewed him.

 

[Tugela]

Except: SA admitted to LE he threatened both of them.

See Page 14, first full paragraph:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...edia/dox/pdf/2011_01/HaileyDunnAffidavits.PDF

If LE had got the two incidents confused SA may have admitted to threatening BD and SD, not HD. Remember, the affidavit was LE's affidavit, not SA's affidavit.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

If LE had got the two incidents confused SA may have admitted to threatening BD and SD, not HD. Remember, the affidavit was LE's affidavit, not SA's affidavit.

Yes, LE's sworn affidavit that SA admitted to them that he threatened BD and HD. They are not basing their affidavit off information gleaned from a report of a threat on the lives of BD and HD. The affidavit is based on their interrogation of SA and his own admission of the threat.

 

[Tugela]

Yes, indeedy, he did, according to the affidavit, and I have no reason to doubt the sworn statements of the officers who interviewed him.

They would have sworn to their recollection, which may or may not have been confused. The apparent existance of someone else who also threatened BD AND HD at approximately the same time raises a red flag IMO. If this other incident existed and was known to LE, it would have been very easy for them to have gotten the details mixed up.

Also, it wasn't clear if that particular part referred to the investigators who interviewed SA after HD went missing, or the investigators who interviewed SA after the 911 call. The affidavit doesn't specify. I have allready pointed this out to you.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26664667/detail.html

By Cassandra Garcia, KTXS News
POSTED: 9:42 pm CST January 29, 2011
UPDATED: 12:19 am CST January 30, 2011

ABILENE, Texas -- More than a month into the disappearance of 13-year-old Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn, and her mother is now saying there's a person who could give police more information about her daughter's whereabouts.

Billie Dunn told KTXS off camera she believes there is a person who has information about her missing daughter.

She also said police know who this individual is, but she would not release anymore information at this time.

 

[sorrell skye]

http://law.justia.com/texas/codes/2005/cr/001.00.000005.00.html

Art. 5.05. REPORTS AND RECORDS. (a) A peace officer who
investigates a family violence incident or who responds to a
disturbance call that may involve family violence shall make a
written report, including but not limited to:
(1) the names of the suspect and complainant;
(2) the date, time, and location of the incident;
(3) any visible or reported injuries; and
(4) a description of the incident and a statement of its
disposition.
(b) Each local law enforcement agency shall establish a
departmental code for identifying and retrieving family violence
reports as outlined in Subsection (a) of this section. A district
or county attorney or an assistant district or county attorney
exercising authority in the county where the law enforcement agency
maintains records under this section is entitled to access to the
records.

According to the affidavit:

The Colorado City Police Department responded to 1804 Chestnut Street in February 2010 to a domestic dispute. ADKINS was alleged to have threatened to kill Billie Jean DUNN and Hailey DUNN during the dispute. ADKINS first informed investigators he never threatened Hailey DUNN, but later confirmed to investigators he did in fact threaten the lives of both Billie Jean DUNN and Hailey DUNN during the dispute.

According to the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, an incident report would have been filed last February 2010 by the responding CCPD officers.

According to the recently released affidavit, SA admitted to threatening the lives of both BD & HD.

IMO - there is more than likely a paper trail corroborating the sworn statements of the investigating officers.

ETA: This is why I have complete faith that the information contained within the affidavit regarding SA's threats against BD & HD is accurate.

 

[LisaB]

http://law.justia.com/texas/codes/2005/cr/001.00.000005.00.html

Art. 5.05. REPORTS AND RECORDS. (a) A peace officer who
investigates a family violence incident or who responds to a
disturbance call that may involve family violence shall make a
written report, including but not limited to:
(1) the names of the suspect and complainant;
(2) the date, time, and location of the incident;
(3) any visible or reported injuries; and
(4) a description of the incident and a statement of its
disposition.
(b) Each local law enforcement agency shall establish a
departmental code for identifying and retrieving family violence
reports as outlined in Subsection (a) of this section. A district
or county attorney or an assistant district or county attorney
exercising authority in the county where the law enforcement agency
maintains records under this section is entitled to access to the
records.

According to the affidavit:

The Colorado City Police Department responded to 1804 Chestnut Street in February 2010 to a domestic dispute. ADKINS was alleged to have threatened to kill Billie Jean DUNN and Hailey DUNN during the dispute. ADKINS first informed investigators he never threatened Hailey DUNN, but later confirmed to investigators he did in fact threaten the lives of both Billie Jean DUNN and Hailey DUNN during the dispute.

According to the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, an incident report would have been filed last February 2010 by the responding CCPD officers.

According to the recently released affidavit, SA admitted to threatening the lives of both BD & HD.

IMO - there is more than likely a paper trail corroborating the sworn statements of the investigating officers.

ETA: This is why I have complete faith that the information contained within the affidavit regarding SA's threats against BD & HD is accurate.

I guess the question I still have is whether the officers actually reviewed those reports before preparing the affidavit, or if they were going from memory. And whether Shawn "admitted" this in questioning last February, or if that admission was made during the investigation of Hailey's disappearance.

 

[bessie]

I think there are two sides to this thread

Side A: who believe that SA is responsible for HD missing, and BD knows but tries to create diversions.

Side B: who believe that BD has always been completely, totally honest with what she has told LE and the media.

The arguments on Side A are that the only credible timeline starts at 9:00pm on 12/26 when DD left the house and HD was playing a game on his XBox. There has been no verification, corraboration, or whatever of any sitings of HD after that time.
For instance, Jean Burroughs claims she positively saw HD out walking on Monday because she was doing someone's hair in her home and looked out the window. She says she looked "hard" or something to that effect, because she didn't recognize the young boy. She is positive she saw HD sometime between 10:30am and 1:00pm. Two and 1/2 hours. That is certainly a long time to spend on one customer. Oh, and the customer has Alzheimers so she cannot corraborate.

Now Side B says that BD has a witness to seeing HD on Monday between 10:30am and 1:00pm, and the hairdresser knows what Hailey looks like, so this is proof that BD could not have been involved as BD was at werk.

It all depends on whose side you're on, but from Side B we keep hearing about the same two Monday 12/27 witnesses. The hairdresser, who is positive it was sometime during a two-and-a-half-hour time span on Monday. The other witness is not believed to be a credible source. BD claims her witness saw Hailey at noon on Monday in her yard, on the phone. He says she is always outside talking on the phone. This witness happened to be an alcoholic old gent in a wheelchair, who was known for his "confusions".

To add to the battered shattered timeline is a new report of a mystery man from a year ago. Do we have to start this over and keep hearing about the two Monday witnesses that LE discounted. Plus now add another year to start gathering evidence all over again. This is scary.

But I guess on Monday when BD reads her timeline statement, these things might fall into place. Hopefully.

There should be no side except Hailey's side. More and more, a child goes missing, and along come the clowns and the juggling acts. It's sickening.

Personally, I'm not on a "side". I have strong suspicions about SA, but I've never seriously suspected that BD hurt Hailey. She does seem to go out of her way to protect him, though.

LE is convinced that no witnesses saw Hailey on the day she disappeared, and that's good enough for me. When and if they change their position on that, I will, too

As for getting answers on Monday, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[LisaB]

Am attempting to catch up..WTH? Over a month later and BD is "coming forward" with a "mystery man" threatened both her AND HAILEY?????

AGAIN WTH!??

Desperation to get the focus off of Shawn Adkins...and IMO quite an amateur move..and complete look of desperation on Billies part{and let me clarify "desperation"}.. it is not in the terms you or I would be feeling desperation{i.e. that our child was still missing}..but rather Billie's desperation is of a need to quickly get the "heat off" of boy toy masked lover...

Would you feel differently if LE confirmed that this threat had occurred just Billie claims? And that this person is a POI, and perhaps even the "lead" they have been chasing in Odessa and Memphis? Hypothetically, that is. Would you still feel this was a ploy by Billie to create reasonable doubt, or would she become more credible to you?

 

[LisaB]

I don't think we ever got it straight on her shoes. I went over to one of the posters they are passing out to see what it said. It says nothing about how she was dressed when last seen.

I could swear it had a description of her clothing last time I looked. Maybe somebody changed it?

IMO, there's only one way that she's still in those clothes anyway. If they want to find her alive and breathing, it is probably best not to focus too much on the clothing at this point.

 

[BeanE]

While I realize the quote is third-hand info, it does concern me that the age of the child was specifically mentioned as a reason why he couldn't be believed. Which makes me think the child may have said this, but it was discounted by LE.

If what the child says is correct, this does not prove that SA didn't do anything to Hailey (based on when he said he last saw her). But, it would show that BD was not involved with the disappearance of her daughter, since she was at work during this time.

bbm. What did the child say?

 

[LisaB]

“She didn’t take any shoes or boots,” Dunn said. Originally, she thought Hailey was wearing tennis shoes but discovered them in her daughter’s room. “It was cold and she was wearing flip flops. It’s what scares me the most.”

BBM; SNIPPED
http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/efforts-continue-find-hailey-dunn

Could she mean that it is the thing that makes her belief that Hailey is alive harder to maintain? I can't explain this clearly, but something about her not having taken appropriate clothing making Billie worry that she didn't leave the house voluntarily*. And perhaps that this would increase the likelihood of Shawn being involved, which, at this point, would not bode well for Hailey.

* If Hailey left the house voluntarily, Shawn may have told the truth. If she was taken from INSIDE the house, he definitely isn't.

 

[bessie]

Would you feel differently if LE confirmed that this threat had occurred just Billie claims? And that this person is a POI, and perhaps even the "lead" they have been chasing in Odessa and Memphis? Hypothetically, that is. Would you still feel this was a ploy by Billie to create reasonable doubt, or would she become more credible to you?

I'll give you my answer, Lisa, fwiw. If the "threat" turns out to be legitimate, it won't change my mind one iota. Publicizing the information in the manner she did was irresponsible and reckless. She should've kept quiet about it for now, but instead, she ran to the media, and imo, used the information to deflect the attention from SA with no regard for the possible consequences to Hailey if by some mircle she is alive, and a captive of this mystery guy. :twocents:

 

[LisaB]

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/searches-saturday-turn-up-no-evidence/

Saturday search turns up no evidence, BD might plan a press conference for Monday

And it doesn't sound as if Kampfer objects to it. That's encouraging.

 

[LisaB]

i can't wait to find out who this "mystery man" is!

as for the alzheimers lady, since she has a tendency to forget, it's likely that she would write down her appointments so she might correct on the day if she really saw hailey

She may have noted the appointment, but if she did not make a note of seeing Hailey, or doesn't recall writing herself that note, it's of no use. And she would probably not have made a note since Hailey was not missing yet, so seeing her was insignificant.

I believe that Jean had said she had just finished someone's hair, in which case the customer may have departed the shop prior to Hailey passing by.

 

[yllek]

Thank you..yllek{and by-the-way I have an off-topic..nosey question for u}..lol..Is by chance your name kelly[and just for clarification I am in no way attempting to "sleuth" another member..lol.]so..I'll re-word my question..scratch the is that your name question..and instead my question is Did you pick your username as the name kelly backwards?..kelly=yllek..lol..pretty nifty..YLLEK!..Main reason I am even OT asking you is all this time whenever I see your username for some reason I thought a Russian name..lol.:crazy:..I know :crazy:..but just about 2 minutes ago when I hit the reply to your post it came across clear as bell that it easily could just be kelly spelled backward yllek..

Anyway sorry for being nosey and sorry to everyone for quickly going OT..I'm quickly getting right back on now:innocent:..

So.. back to what were posting about above..the "mystery man" that suddenly has entered the picture..with a threat directed specifically
toward Hailey.. I immediately called BS and posted that I thought it was not only a complete amateur move..but even more imoortantly I felt its origin was nefarious to begin with{i.e. desperate attempt to get the "heat off" of boy toy}..

Someone then shared with me that czgtz had logged on and posted several statements explaining it..that it wasn't what it looked and sounded like..:waitasec: so I did a search through the forum for czgtz's comments in past 24hrs to locate the posts regarding how this "mystery man" came about.. and as I always appreciate czgtz's posts and her going out of her way to share things with us that otherwise we'd not know.. just as I appreciated these posts about the man who threatened Hailey..

But there are aspects that clearly and simply do not add up..

Billie knows that she is not to be releasing this info they got from LE{made obvious by the "Eeek I shouldn't say this" face}..Not only is it a slim to none chance of LE NOT TELLING her to NOT GO PUBLIC WITH "MYSTERY MAN" INFO but most importantly even the slightest of intelligence person full well knows that going public with info such as this[even without actually giving a name..I mean no one else knows who "he is"..but "he" certainly would know who "he is"]..therefor being tipped off that LE was onto him...

Therefor in the scenario of Hailey possibly alive..Billie wouldve just put Haileys life in dire jeopardy..

Just makes no sense any way you go with it..KWIM?

Thanks Smooth - yes, IKWYM!

You are correct, my user name is more similar to pig Latin than Russian..

P.S. I really admire what you and your family have done in the effort to find Hailey, with t-shirts and flyers for the railroad workers - wonderful... I have a dream that one of the railway workers spots Hailey and calls in the lead. Clint tracks down the lead and finds Hailey. Hailey is not returned to her former living environment, but instead she and DD have an advocate that assures they are well taken care-of and safe (with whomever is given custody). Once Hailey is rested and ready, she tells us the whole story of what really happened and becomes and advocate/counselor for other children put in harm's way by an unstable home life. Unrealistic, I know... Dare to dream...

 

[concernedmother]

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/teen-disappearances-compared/

Klaas said that while much information had been gathered in the case, he worried that various players — police, Hailey's family and others, including named suspect Shawn Adkins, the former live-in boyfriend of Billie Jean Dunn — were all "working in isolation of each other."

"I don't know if that serves the case well," he said, saying that continued improvement in communication between all parties was vital to bringing Hailey home.



I think that says alot about this case.

 

[LisaB]

IMO, there's no "boyfriend."

As a matter-of-fact, didn't Billie state recently that Hailey would rather kick a boy than kiss him?

She also said that Hailey had had a boyfriend for a few weeks several weeks back and that Billie had not known about him until after the fact. He was also 13, FWIW.

 

[TxLady2]

:lol: Get out of my head. See my post a few up from yours about my grandson. :great:

I was typing the same time you were, I guess!!
Great minds, and all that. :rocker: