TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #49

[gypsyblue]

my opinion on billies half arsed ease her mind checking on Hailey monday morning....I feel its mentioned for self serving purposes for billies sake, especially the first.....

its as if it is to place Hailey alive home and sleeping monday to get the focus off of something happening sunday night, yet its just vague enough to keep everyone guessing the last clothing she was most likely actually seen wearing by someone other than SA which would be (pjs)......

jmo

 

[concernedmother]

my opinion on billies half arsed ease her mind checking on Hailey monday morning....I feel its mentioned for self serving purposes for billies sake, especially the first.....

its as if it is to place Hailey alive home and sleeping monday as opposed to get the focus off of something happening sunday night, yet its just vague enough to keep everyone guessing the last clothing she was most likely actually seen wearing by someone other than SA which would be (pjs)......

jmo

It was dark. She didnt touch her or actually see her. It appeared she was in the bed. So that is left open to also interpet if it was pillows etc making it look like someone was in the bed. Too vague to actually say HD was in that bed.

 

[gypsyblue]

Since LE told her about this threat and she knew nothing about it until 2 weeks into the investigation... how is it a ploy by Billie?? She didn't come up with this herself... she was informed about it by LE.

I think it's quite a leap to suggest that this man would be a danger to society and LE should make a public announcement about him or put out a BOLO on him. I think there are certain criteria that have to be met before they can put out a BOLO, with a description of the person and/or a vehicle. Merely making a verbal threat to another person about another person would not meet that criteria, IMO.

Actually, when Billie mentioned this to the reporter, I doubt that she had any idea it might turn into a major news story. One article said she told the reporter off camera. Sounds to me like it was an offhand remark.

bbm...

jmo...I watched her tell it on camera during a videotaped interview....how would she feel that it was off camera? There was no pause and removal of camera crew.... :waitasec:

 

[Lanie]

Where did that person come from? I never heard about her.

I posted a link last night to CZ's post that first refers to this. There were also some news stories.

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This was confusing to me for a while. The hairdresser said she saw Hailey with a young AA boy going down the alley. IIRC, she stated she saw her twice, once heading toward the Dollar store, and once heading towards her home. This sighting was early Monday, between 10:30am and noon. The hairdresser also made comments about her granddaughter, which some people were mistakenly interpreting as Hailey was with a young AA boy AND hairdresser's granddaughter.

So, witness #2, she claims she saw Hailey, another girl, and a boy outside a store on Monday. This claim was for Monday afternoon or evening.

I was unsure for a while, because when this was coming out, several posters were commenting on it going from morning to evening and back, and also about hairdresser's granddaughter being with Hailey, it was hard to determine if these different stories were coming from two different people, or one person and it was getting all twisted up.

CZ said last night the sighting at the store was a different person than the sighting of the hairdresser.

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I hope these links are going where I want them to. I am just guessing on how to link posts in here. :crazy:

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Since LE told her about this threat and she knew nothing about it until 2 weeks into the investigation... how is it a ploy by Billie?? She didn't come up with this herself... she was informed about it by LE.

I think it's quite a leap to suggest that this man would be a danger to society and LE should make a public announcement about him or put out a BOLO on him. I think there are certain criteria that have to be met before they can put out a BOLO, with a description of the person and/or a vehicle. Merely making a verbal threat to another person about another person would not meet that criteria, IMO.

Actually, when Billie mentioned this to the reporter, I doubt that she had any idea it might turn into a major news story. One article said she told the reporter off camera. Sounds to me like it was an offhand remark.

BBM: Well see, that's the thing - we don't know this for a fact. All we have is BD's word thus far. LE has not confirmed the existence of this Mystery Man to date. I am anxiously waiting to hear them weigh in. MOO.

 

[concernedmother]

I posted a link last night to CZ's post that first refers to this. There were also some news stories.

TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

This was confusing to me for a while. The hairdresser said she saw Hailey with a young AA boy going down the alley. IIRC, she stated she saw her twice, once heading toward the Dollar store, and once heading towards her home. This sighting was early Monday, between 10:30am and noon. The hairdresser also made comments about her granddaughter, which some people were mistakenly interpreting as Hailey was with a young AA boy AND hairdresser's granddaughter.

So, witness #2, she claims she saw Hailey, another girl, and a boy outside a store on Monday. This claim was for Monday afternoon or evening.

I was unsure for a while, because when this was coming out, several posters were commenting on it going from morning to evening and back, and also about hairdresser's granddaughter being with Hailey, it was hard to determine if these different stories were coming from two different people, or one person and it was getting all twisted up.

CZ said last night the sighting at the store was a different person than the sighting of the hairdresser.

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I hope these links are going where I want them to. I am just guessing on how to link posts in here. :crazy:

So the receipt lady came from BD. Got it. Thanks.

 

[TxLady2]

Why assume it checked out? Isn't LE saying that things aren't matching up? Many assume they are referring to BD, but have they actually said that? I don't recall LE saying who, what, which things aren't matching (or however they are wording it).

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just pointing out that we should be careful about assumptions, knowing so little of the actual facts.

Exactly!!

And, referring to the post you quoted: MB would not be required to provide LE with a timeline unless they believe she is hiding something, or not being truthful with them.

 

[Velouria]

JMO, but I don't think we're going to get any confirmation from LE of how long they questioned Billie. It's possible they would say, if asked, but they certainly don't have to.
If by "attempting to interfere in a criminal investigation" you mean they won't incriminate themselves, that's their right. No one can be coerced into incriminating themselves or anyone else.
No, lying is not a criminal act, unless it's in a court, under oath.

Not if you're caught lying to the FBI or other federal official - in or out of court.

 

[TxLady2]

I think people had better start using their alert button instead of the snark on this thread!

Not meant to be snarky, but... can we have a definition of what snark is, pretty please??? :waitasec:

(hiding in corner now.)

 

[Lanie]

Since LE told her about this threat and she knew nothing about it until 2 weeks into the investigation... how is it a ploy by Billie?? She didn't come up with this herself... she was informed about it by LE.

I think it's quite a leap to suggest that this man would be a danger to society and LE should make a public announcement about him or put out a BOLO on him. I think there are certain criteria that have to be met before they can put out a BOLO, with a description of the person and/or a vehicle. Merely making a verbal threat to another person about another person would not meet that criteria, IMO.

Actually, when Billie mentioned this to the reporter, I doubt that she had any idea it might turn into a major news story. One article said she told the reporter off camera. Sounds to me like it was an offhand remark.

IMO, I'm still not clear on if this threat was reported a year ago when it took place, or if it was just reported in the last 2 or 3 weeks.

 

[bessie]

She may have noted the appointment, but if she did not make a note of seeing Hailey, or doesn't recall writing herself that note, it's of no use. And she would probably not have made a note since Hailey was not missing yet, so seeing her was insignificant.

I believe that Jean had said she had just finished someone's hair, in which case the customer may have departed the shop prior to Hailey passing by.

Jean alone is not considered credible, it would seem, although I believe that is ONLY because there is no one to corroborate her sighting. The boy (if he did, in fact, say that he was with Hailey on Monday) is considered unreliable because of his age. But if each of them independently recalls the same thing, I'd expect LE to give the COMBINED reports more credence.

Perhaps it is a simple matter of the two witnesses disagreeing on something as basic as what Hailey had on.

Just ruminating...

Jean is a sober adult with the mental faculties to cut and style hair, and she has known Hailey for years, iirc. Misidentification would not be a question. What's wrong with her cred? She's surely as reliable a witness as SA. It's my understanding that what's in question is the day she saw Hailey, whether Sunday or Monday, and her ability to verify it. She's certain that it was just as she finished doing a particular customer's hair. If the customer could produce a date book with the appointment noted, it would lend some support to JB's claim, albeit weak. A check or credit card receipt would be stronger. I wonder if her cell phone pinged while she was there. Seriously, any evidence the customer can show to prove she was at the beauty shop on Monday during the window of time JB stated would strengthen JB's account of the sighting. For that matter, beauty shops log appointments, too. Though, she might've been a walk in.

Detectives often use statements from convenience store clerks, cab drivers, bartenders to build timelines for customers they might have seen a few times or might never before have seen if they can identify them from a photo. Why would the LEO's on Hailey's case doubt the word of a business owner who's known Hailey for years? If there are no other reliable sightings that day, hers does not conflict with another. I keep going back to the mention of electronic data. Does JB's story conflict with electronic data records? If so, what could it be? :waitasec:

 

[Velouria]

Oh, I think that it would be very interesting to hear what Clint has to say. Unfortunately, Clint is hanging out down by the Mexico border, far, far away from the actual search for Hailey. Perhaps other Dunn family members could be there in his stead, to show their concern for finding Hailey.:twocents:

Well with all due respect TGI, I don't think what Clint is doing could be classified as "hanging out". He's desperately searching for his daughter and trying to cover as much area as he can.

 

[concernedmother]

Jean is a sober adult with the mental faculties to cut and style hair, and she has known Hailey for years, iirc. Misidentification would not be a question. What's wrong with her cred? She's surely as reliable a witness as SA. It's my understanding that what's in question is the day she saw Hailey, whether Sunday or Monday, and her ability to verify it. She's certain that it was just as she finished doing a particular customer's hair. If the customer could produce a date book with the appointment noted, it would lend some support to JB's claim, albeit weak. A check or credit card receipt would be stronger. I wonder if her cell phone pinged while she was there. Seriously, any evidence the customer can show to prove she was at the beauty shop on Monday furing the window of time JB stated would strengthen JB's account of the sighting.

Detectives often use statements from convenience store clerks, cab drivers, bartenders to build timelines for customers they might have seen a few times or might never before have seen if they can identify them from a photo. Why would the LEO's on Hailey's case doubt the word of a business owner who's known Hailey for years? If there are no other reliable sightings that day, hers does not conflict with another. I keep going back to the mention of electronic data. Does JB's story conflict with electronic data? If so, what could it be? :waitasec:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/201...nces-compared/

Klaas said that while much information had been gathered in the case, he worried that various players — police, Hailey's family and others, including named suspect Shawn Adkins, the former live-in boyfriend of Billie Jean Dunn — were all "working in isolation of each other."

"I don't know if that serves the case well," he said, saying that continued improvement in communication between all parties was vital to bringing Hailey home.

You have LE info they have gathered and electronic data, BD statement, SA statement and others yet none of it seems to be on the same page.

LE must be tearing their hair out with this one.

 

[salvarenga]

Colorado City, Lubbock teen disappearances compared

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/teen-disappearances-compared/

Interesting info in this article:

Within 24 hours of finding out about Hailey's disappearance, Colorado City officials requested an Amber Alert to help find the missing girl but were denied three times. Police were told that there was not enough information available about her disappearance to issue an alert.

Officials in Colorado City were skeptical from the beginning that Hailey's case was that of a runaway, Kampfer said.

"That's why we did the Amber Alert contact almost immediately," he said. "Within 24 hours, we made that contact."

Kampfer said police and other law enforcement, after interviewing family members and others, began considering a potential criminal side to the case "within 48 hours."

By Friday of the first week of the teen's disappearance, Texas Rangers had been contacted and soon, a slew of law enforcement agencies — including the FBI and the 32nd District Attorney's Office — were in the area.

 

[Sheik]

Well with all due respect TGI, I don't think what Clint is doing could be classified as "hanging out". He's desperately searching for his daughter and trying to cover as much area as he can.

Yes, despite CD's past, at least he's not worried about what people think of him, making statements about what a good parent he is, etc. He's out pounding the pavement spreading the word and looking for his daughter.

 

[redcat]

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/teen-disappearances-compared/

Officials in Colorado City were skeptical from the beginning that Hailey's case was that of a runaway, Kampfer said.

"That's why we did the Amber Alert contact almost immediately," he said. "Within 24 hours, we made that contact."

Kampfer said police and other law enforcement, after interviewing family members and others, began considering a potential criminal side to the case "within 48 hours."

Really??

 

[bessie]

I posted a link last night to CZ's post that first refers to this. There were also some news stories.

TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

This was confusing to me for a while. The hairdresser said she saw Hailey with a young AA boy going down the alley. IIRC, she stated she saw her twice, once heading toward the Dollar store, and once heading towards her home. This sighting was early Monday, between 10:30am and noon. The hairdresser also made comments about her granddaughter, which some people were mistakenly interpreting as Hailey was with a young AA boy AND hairdresser's granddaughter.

So, witness #2, she claims she saw Hailey, another girl, and a boy outside a store on Monday. This claim was for Monday afternoon or evening.

I was unsure for a while, because when this was coming out, several posters were commenting on it going from morning to evening and back, and also about hairdresser's granddaughter being with Hailey, it was hard to determine if these different stories were coming from two different people, or one person and it was getting all twisted up.

CZ said last night the sighting at the store was a different person than the sighting of the hairdresser.

TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #49 - Page 8 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I hope these links are going where I want them to. I am just guessing on how to link posts in here. :crazy:

Your links are working for the pages containing the posts. If you want to link an individual post, click on the post number in the upper right corner of the box. That will open the post in a page by itself. Then just copy and paste that address in your post.

ETA: Oh, and thanks for your post. Answers a couple of questions for me.

 

[salvarenga]

Searches Saturday turn up no evidence

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/searches-saturday-turn-up-no-evidence/

Scurry and Mitchell counties were searched, including the roads used by named suspect Shawn Adkins to travel to and from work in Snyder.
Kampfer said Billie Jean Dunn, the missing teen's mother, is considering a press conference for Monday, though a time was not announced.

 

[TxLady2]

I'm going to put this as gently as I can. Yes, LE can tell BD not to repeat inside information about the investigation. If she chooses to disregard that, they will just begin to withhold sensitive information.

I believe that is why people questioned the word blessing. Because in truth that is saying that LE is putting their stamp of approval on her making this statement.

It is symantics but it is what happens in these investigations. I've seen it before where the facts dried up to the parents because they were leaking it to the press. I've seen public statements to the parents pleading with them to get clearance before releasing sensitive information. LE can decide what information is made public.

ETA: The reason for doing this is to protect the victim in this case Hailey in case she is alive, and being held by someone. And this is a criminal investigation. And while LE wants to share what they can with the parents, they won't at the expense of an investigation if the parents don't comply with confidentiality. I'm not saying that is the case here. Only the norm.

Exactly! I was going to say basically the same thing, but you said it a lot better.

May I add, LE's first allegiance is to preserve the integrity of the case and secondly to keep the family up to date on any progress... but they will also withhold certain information from them, if it might hinder their investigation.

My guess is they did not believe that by telling Billie about this threat a year ago that it would hurt their case and if they thought it would cause a problem, they would not have told her about it. MOO.

 

[salvarenga]

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/teen-disappearances-compared/

Officials in Colorado City were skeptical from the beginning that Hailey's case was that of a runaway, Kampfer said.

"That's why we did the Amber Alert contact almost immediately," he said. "Within 24 hours, we made that contact."

Kampfer said police and other law enforcement, after interviewing family members and others, began considering a potential criminal side to the case "within 48 hours."

Really??

Yes really....from that same article.

Within 24 hours of finding out about Hailey's disappearance, Colorado City officials requested an Amber Alert to help find the missing girl but were denied three times. Police were told that there was not enough information available about her disappearance to issue an alert.