TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #52

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  • #761
Well, geez, in her press conference yesterday she was all about how she pays for everything and in her 911 calls re SA she talks about him possibly stealing her tv or the xbox, etc....are you surprised she called it "my living room?"

I'm not suprised by the fact a single Mom raising her children, working 12 hour days doesn't want her belongings stolen by anyone. It is HER house and HER stuff. Obviously she has worked hard for it.
 
  • #762
Incredibly unlucky... under suspicion... while someone else is getting away with taking his girlfriend's daughter.... you mean like Amber Dubois' stepfather???

Yep... very well could be.




No one is going to convince me that the amount of traffic down that street on Monday January 31 is the same as it was on Monday December 27. There is no way.

My cousin was arrested for a NON homicide, that was fairly well publicized. It barely made it to the front page/top story for a few days. Nothing like Hailey's case at all.

The traffic in front of the house went from 1 or 2 cars an hour to 12 or more. A car went by at least every 5 minutes. There was barely time to run out to get the mail, take the garbage out, or run out and jump in your own vehicle before the next car came by. His case never even made it out of the STATE news media. The media was never camped out in front of the house. There was never news conferences.

There are people driving by, just to drive by. There are people driving by to yell mean things. There are FAR more people driving by that house than there was on Monday December 27th. Just like Caylee's and Zahra's and all the others. :twocents:




Or maybe it just means that an arrest will not take place UNTIL that time.

Since it's not a direct quote... he could have said "We will keep searching until we find Hailey. We will not make an arrest unless we sadly find a body."

I don't think there is any way, whether they know who did it or not... that they could immediately arrest someone upon finding a body. They would still have to connect them to the crime. They aren't going to arrest them and start the clock going when they just "know" they did it but haven't even processed forensic evidence from a crime scene yet.

Thank you for this post! A little dose of common sense should go a long way in this situation.... but sadly, it probably won't.
 
  • #763
I agree, eventhough, I call my home, my home, I have noticed with my daughters who married men with a child that they all refer to their homes as "My house", your "Mom's House". I think it may have to do with separated/divorced folks distinguishing which house. Mom's or Dad's. IDK, JMO.

I think it is a generational thing. I have noticed my dil's saying my house or my pool, etc. It used to bother me but not anymore. They all have something about them I don't agree with, but then it's not my problem. jmo
 
  • #764
I'm not suprised by the fact a single Mom raising her children, working 12 hour days doesn't want her belongings stolen by anyone. It is HER house and HER stuff. Obviously she has worked hard for it.
I couldn't agree more.....although I wish she would have protected her children as much as she protected her STUFF...MO
 
  • #765
Exactly....if all he planned to do was to quit....there was no reason at all to hold to any kind of time schedule.

jmo

I'm not sure that's what he planned to do at all. I think he had plans that day, but quitting his job wasn't one of them. And if one does something that is beyond horrific, perhaps they aren't going to care about their job after that point.
 
  • #766
There is another thing I'm wondering about Billie's timeline. It says from 10:30 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. a neighbor sees Hailey walking away from the house and then back towards her house. If this is the hairdresser, why can't the time be narrowed a bit more? If she were working on someone's hair, I would think they would have had an appointment and the time could be pinpointed a little tighter. Surely it didn't take 2.5 hours to style one person's hair. I'm just trying to think of a reason why LE would discount this siting.

In the video, I believe she says 'he', which confused me since it was definitely a female hair dresser who also said that she saw Hailey during that time, correct? Is there someone else as well now?

("He" is said at 10:14 in the video here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6082136&postcount=63"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #52[/ame])
 
  • #767
LOL! I think my town is smaller than BD's, but the light goes off here around 4:30pm to 5:00pm. Here, going to the police station in person is not the thing to do, as even if it is during business hours, the police chief especially is more likely to be at one of the local restaurants than the station. The best bet is to call ahead so they can call in an officer to be there, and if they don't think what you want is important enough, they have you schedule an appointment, I am not kidding.

So, if you were planning to go in to report your daughter missing, you might ask her dad to call ahead for you just to be sure they had someone there ready to take action as soon as they got the information, rather than having to wait at the station while they radio around for an officer to help you.
 
  • #768
In the video, I believe she says 'he', which confused me since it was definitely a female hair dresser who also said that she saw Hailey during that time, correct? Is there someone else as well now?

I thought the "he" was the neighbor who saw HD on the phone in the backyard. The only other siting besides the hairdresser would be at 8:30 p.m., correct? That wouldn't be the hairdresser would it?
 
  • #769
Time constraints on NG, editing on news media and I just don't think BD ever imagined the public dissecting every single syallable coming out of her mouth.

Yes I understand that but this is a big deal to me. I'm sorry, I am not picking on her and I will go look at more transcripts to see if she corrects it but to say I went to the PD then later I went home and to some houses then to PD is important info. In other words, what did those friends say when u asked or text them? That is important info to have, that helps establish a solid timeline. Maybe just maybe she was only giving bits and pieces in her stressed and frazzled frame of mind wanting to get out anything and everything she can but that stands out to me. Again I am not accusing her of anything but that is just one of a few numerous inconsistencies and I firmly believe that is part of the reason there has been no movement in this case. I'm so confused by BD quite honestly. For myself I cannot understand how she would want to have any contact at all with SA right now and I think it is not good to subtlety bash CD at this point. They should be a united front. I just don't know what to think about this anymore. I pray Hailey is found safe.
 
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Yesterday I read that there was an item of interest taken out of the shed in the back yard. Does anyone know what that was? tia
 
  • #772
I do think BD was using the hairdressers words/description at this point, and I didn't find it offensive either.

I find it very offensive that a 7 year old child is being singled out and described in this way. We are not defined by the color of our skin. Be it white, black, brown, or any other color.
 
  • #773
Generally i think the only things an employer can say about an employee is the dates they worked for them and whether they would rehire them. You can go as far as saying they were a good employee, but not much else.

This is a widely held misconception. An employer can say anything (s)he wants.

This belief comes from the corporate practice of CYA, and not saying anything you could later be sued for.
 
  • #774
I find it very offensive that a 7 year old child is being singled out and described in this way. We are not defined by the color of our skin. Be it white, black, brown, or any other color.

No we are not defined by the color of our skin, but we are described by the color of our skin, or hair. Always have been.jmo
 
  • #775
Yesterday I read that there was an item of interest taken out of the shed in the back yard. Does anyone know what that was? tia

Where did u read that? Link? BTW..this cold front is brutal! I hope you are staying indoors today!
 
  • #776
I find it very offensive that a 7 year old child is being singled out and described in this way. We are not defined by the color of our skin. Be it white, black, brown, or any other color.

Perhaps this person didn't know whether the child was AA. Perhaps the child was Hispanic or simply tanned.
 
  • #777
I find it very offensive that a 7 year old child is being singled out and described in this way. We are not defined by the color of our skin. Be it white, black, brown, or any other color.

Sorry...I was just clarifying that I thought she was using the description that the hairdresser used.
 
  • #778
I keep going back to the begining.....
SA says HD left at 3:15 to her Dad's house and MB's to spend the night....
LE waffled back and forth between runaway.....
No evidence to suggest foul play.......
Here we are a month later and no closer IMO to the truth or closer to Hailey....
JMO but with LE making a statement until a body/person is found an arrest will not be made only tells me that LE doesn't really have any evidence right now to conclusivly say "who done it", which also leads me to believe we are going to have to go back to the begining and start over.......JMO

Truth; I agree with your earlier post that no matter how Billie phrased it, if she had no involvement or knowledge, she desperately wishes somebody, anybody, would have confirmed that Hailey was where SA said she was. I can also see why she wouldn't have called Hailey and just plain wishes she had, or that Hailey had called her. The "what ifs" have got to be heartwrenching for parents in these case.

Regarding LE's early handling of the case, I was just posting on the same subject so decided to jump off your post.

I think if we had the same information as LE about Hailey's recent background, it would clear some things up regarding the investigation strategy. I think LE makes mistakes all the time; law enforcement is simply a group of people doing its just job to the best of its ability with the information at hand. In this case, as opposed a few others I've followed, I don't see where LE blundered it in the initial stages at all. I don't think LE will release some sensitive information about Hailey's life, nor will the family. Appears they are on the same page in this regards. But here's what we do know:

-Hailey had lived away from home and changed schools at least once in the last year (from DB, not refuted by Billie or Clint).
-Billie and Shawn had a rocky relationship, in Billie's in own words, and there were at least three 911 calls on the same day where the two involved LE and accused each other of having the intent to possibly steel, enter without permission, kill Hailey's mom and dad in a memorable way, take the other one's drugs...
-Hailey was a "daddy's girl", if we take what Billie's friend posted her as fact, and she told her friend MB and a family friend DB that she wanted to live with her dad (Billie has never refuted that Hailey didn't live away from her for periods of time, nor has she refuted that Hailey had been talking about wanting to live with Clint).

Enter Law Enforcement:
LE gets a visit from Billie to report Hailey missing. She's 13 and they've been to Billie's house to follow up on turmoil in the house at least a couple of time in one day. There may have been more. They probably contact a few close family members and friends right away (including MB) to confirm that Hailey is not there - standard procedure. They likely ask some questions that reveal that yes, while Hailey hasn't necessarily run away before, she has left the house for more than just overnight stays at a young age. They probably also hear that Hailey doesn't like mom's boyfriend who is living in the house.
To me, LE would have been ignorant not to consider the possibility of Hailey being a runaway right from the start; she may well be in hiding and not want to be found. In case she's not, they try 3 times to get an Amber alert issued, but the case doesn't fit the criteria.

Meanwhile, LE is physically looking for Hailey and continuing conversations with family and friends. In this process, they are getting inconsistent statements and it is not clear when any blood relatives last saw Hailey alive; it's been a least 1 1/2 days if you count DD's 9 p.m. on 12/26 sighting at the house. In talking with Billie, they learn that SA came home early from work at 1:00 pm 12/27 and his story of what Hailey said. Meanwhile, in talking with SA they learn he claims to have actually gotten home at 3:00 that day and hadn't gone to work at all; he claims he never told Billie he quit/got fired, whatever. Major red flags start waving for LE at this point. They still think Hailey could be a runaway who doesn't want to be found, but also see stories and time lines at the house are not matching up and it's also possible that someone committed a crime against Hailey. Other agencies are brought in, SA's computer is seized, the car is processed, the sheets are taken, the phones of SA and BD are taken into evidence... They are working a parallel investigation within 2 days of the missing person's report; that is clear by the acquisition of SA's computer from his mom's house on 12/30 - as noted in affidavits. Searches continue by LE and community volunteers, hoping Hailey is in hiding and there is no "foul play" involved - so far there is no evidence to support it, However, LE has good reason to believe that Hailey could have been harmed and they therefore continue the criminal investigation, LDTs, interrogations, etc.. to try to narrow down possibilities.

Point is, I fail to see LE as messing this case up at the beginning because they considered and commented about the possibilities or runaway, hiding, no evidence of foul play, and criminal investigation all in a short period of time. I would think they messed up if all the above were not considered and investigated in quick succession and in parallel, just as LE has stated as the case progressed.

JMO....
 
  • #779
Good morning! Snow here. We owned property in Mitchell County for years before selling. Rough terrain. My prayers are with the family, searchers and definitely LE.

All I can say is IMO I'm so dizzy! All the reports since Dec. 27 is mind boggling.

What we have is one person named as a suspect.:twocents:
 
  • #780
As the mother of a racially mixed child, it doesn't offend me at all. There is nothing wrong with having dark skin, so why would I be offended?

Well I am also a mother of a racially mixed child and I personally think that there are much better ways to refer to any human being than by making a reference to the color of their skin.

Furthermore, there was no basis for dragging this innocent child back into the picture. LE has already repeatedly discredited that siting.

We can just agree to disagree on this one. However, IMO, the fact that she even brought him up speaks VOLUMES about who she really is.
 
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