TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #57

[BeanE]

I think CPS can place a child in temporary custody without having to go before a judge, especially if the parent is in agreement. I do recall Billie saying there was no court hearing. If I am not mistaken, the CPS worker can meet with the judge, explain the situation and he/she can sign the papers for temporary placement. No hearing required. I could be wrong, but I think that is what happened here.

I'm unable to find where Billie said there was no court hearing. May I have a link please? I'd like to add it to my resources.

TIA

 

[Ellebelle]

What you should be more surprised about is that none of these people told LE about this early on, and some of them must surely have been interviewed. We know this because if they had, those allegations would have been included in the search warrant affidavits as contributing to probable cause, and they weren't.

That suggests that these allegations came up much later, after SA came under the public spotlight, which makes them suspect. Especially since they appear to mostly come from CDs side of the family, who would have no reason to like SA in the first place.

If you know something, and are willing to go on national TV to say it because you feel so strongly about it, why wouldn't you do it to LE right up front at the beginning of the investigation?

That's not necessarily true. We don't know everything told to LE by everyone.

 

[hollyblue]

Just because of the Alicia Debolt case, does anyone know if and how TX recognizes common law marriage? Could this be a witness issue should BD and SA claim it....if it turns out he is charged? TIA

 

[Quiche]

There wasn't any coverage of the balloon release? :waitasec:

 

[Quiche]

Just because of the Alicia Debolt case, does anyone know if and how TX recognizes common law marriage? Could this be a witness issue should BD and SA claim it....if it turns out he is charged? TIA

Can you be common law when you're still legally married to someone else?

eta: Wow, there's a lot more to a common law marriage than I thought!

http://www.unmarried.org/common-law-marriage-fact-sheet.html

 

[crimejunkie]

I think CPS can place a child in temporary custody without having to go before a judge, especially if the parent is in agreement. I do recall Billie saying there was no court hearing. If I am not mistaken, the CPS worker can meet with the judge, explain the situation and he/she can sign the papers for temporary placement. No hearing required. I could be wrong, but I think that is what happened here.

No, you are right. CPS can do what in my state is called an "Informal Adjustment." This is an agreement between the parent and CPS that they agree to do certain services (counseling, drug treatment, parenting class--stuff like that) and if they successfully complete the agreement, the case will never go before a judge. In these agreements, the parents retain custody of the child, but on an agreement that they will comply with CPS' recommendations. Sometimes the agreement has the child living in the home with the family while services are complete or they could all agree that the child should live elsewhere during the time of services. IF they do not successfully complete the services or comply with the agreement, then CPS will bump it up to a Child In Need of Services case (where they will request that the Juvenile Court will take custody of the child) and it will go before a judge. IF the judge agrees, the child then becomes in the custody of the state, (a "foster" child) and CPS (and the court) makes all the decision for the child while they try to reunify the family.

 

[hollyblue]

Can you be common law when you're still legally married to someone else?

Nope....never mind. doh....:waitasec:

 

[Crosby87]

I really wonder about why DD was taking into CPS. Once again I will refer to the previously talked about case of TS. Her 11 year old brother remained at home with his mom and her bf thru all of this. Many took LDT and LE would not comment on the results, but TS's mom insisted that they passed. Maybe the laws are different here in Canada.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/619277

Canada abolished the death penalty so TS's killers never faced the death penalty but if someone murdered Hailey, they could be executed since Texas is a death penalty state.

 

[impatientredhead]

Just because of the Alicia Debolt case, does anyone know if and how TX recognizes common law marriage? Could this be a witness issue should BD and SA claim it....if it turns out he is charged? TIA

As already mentioned up thread Billie is married to Clint, but even if she wasn't spousal privilege does not cover crimes against children of either spouse. If the victim is a the minor child of either spouse testimony can be compelled.

 

[hollyblue]

In BD's press conference outside her residence, someone noted the two front doors so it is a Duplex which Clint & Billie own? BD said a window was broken to her dwelling.

I assuming the other half of the duplex was unoccupied and if so someone could have been in there without anyone's knowledge.

I could be wrong, but wasn't the door that was broken going to HD's bedroom? Didn't it have red curtains on the window of that room...both from the outside during a video and also from a video when showing HD's room. (with red curtains)???

It could have been a duplex when it was purchased and then converted back to a single residence on the inside only and not fixing the exterior.

 

[hollyblue]

As already mentioned up thread Billie is married to Clint, but even if she wasn't spousal privilege does not cover crimes against children of either spouse. If the victim is a the minor child of either spouse testimony can be compelled.

TY. I was not aware of that...but makes sense.

 

[Quiche]

I could be wrong, but wasn't the door that was broken going to HD's bedroom? Didn't it have red curtains on the window of that room...both from the outside during a video and also from a video when showing HD's room. (with red curtains)???

It could have been a duplex when it was purchased and then converted back to a single residence on the inside only and not fixing the exterior.

Hmmm, so that's why Hailey's bedroom is the size of a living room! mo

 

[peeples]

CZ or red cat stated the second door has a chest freezer in front of it and is therefore not used.
This was stated in the last few days.

 

[yllek]

Well, Monday's Bring Them Home radio interview with Billie should be interesting in light of recently released statements by family members. I trust the hosts again won't let it turn it to a bashing of other family members or SA. I really wonder what will be discussed and I am one that believes that Billie will have someone do it with her, but don't think it will be SA (not if he wishes to retain current counsel, imo). I'm thinking a dear friend.

 

[belimom]

Didn't one of Hailey's friends also say Hailey was afraid of SA? I think she was interviewed....I'll look for the link. Not MB, another little girl.

Yes, I've seen those - but there's another video with a different girl that I think Amster and I are referring to. Since we're not sleuthing minors, I don't want to give out details but she specifically spoke of Hailey not wanting to be alone with Shawn. I'm searched and searched and have seen "link" but the video is gone.

Anyone else remember this particular video?

Okay - I've searched all morning and the video has gone 'poof!'.

Here are some references to it here on WS by Amysmom:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5974456&postcount=257"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #5[/ame]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5974483&postcount=266"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #5[/ame]


And here is the link where it originally was:


http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=13779246

I know it doesn't matter in the scheme of things but it's been bugging me, since I recall the video vividly... :banghead:

Anyway, RL is taking over for me today -- my husband and kids will throw me out if I don't join in the big Saturday cleanup here at our house. But I hope, as I do everyday, that today will bring a big break in this case.

 

[Chili Fries]

Yes, I've seen those - but there's another video with a different girl that I think Amster and I are referring to. Since we're not sleuthing minors, I don't want to give out details but she specifically spoke of Hailey not wanting to be alone with Shawn. I'm searched and searched and have seen "link" but the video is gone.

Anyone else remember this particular video?

Are you talking about the African-American neighbor girl? She did also say Hailey was afraid of Shawn. That's the same video where the adult male neighbor said he often saw Hailey in the backyard. Unfortunately, KCBD doesn't keep their older videos available. Maybe there's an article quoting the video somewhere.

 

[peeples]

I'm with ya belimom, I gotta get the house superbowl party ready... Have a great day!

 

[Kimster]

Ever since DD went to live with his uncle, I've seen posts that suggest perhaps DCPS doesn't allow kids to stay in the midst of a crime. That just didn't jive with me. So, I dug up a website about it and put this information in our new Resource Center. It's very interesting. Here's the link: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6099717#post6099717"]TX When can CPS take a child? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[belimom]

Are you talking about the African-American neighbor girl? She did also say Hailey was afraid of Shawn. That's the same video where the adult male neighbor said he often saw Hailey in the backyard. Unfortunately, KCBD doesn't keep their older videos available. Maybe there's an article quoting the video somewhere.

Yep, that's her. She said that Hailey would ask if she could stay longer with the friend b/c she was uncomfortable being alone with SA when no one else was home.

 

[BeanE]

Okay - I've searched all morning and the video has gone 'poof!'.

Here are some references to it here on WS by Amysmom:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #5

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #5


And here is the link where it originally was:


http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=13779246

I know it doesn't matter in the scheme of things but it's been bugging me, since I recall the video vividly... :banghead:

Anyway, RL is taking over for me today -- my husband and kids will throw me out if I don't join in the big Saturday cleanup here at our house. But I hope, as I do everyday, that today will bring a big break in this case.

Oh those videos on KCBD are a pain to find, but they are there. I was able to find another one after hours of applying Google-fu to the site. Let me see if I can remember how I got to it. God I wish I would write stuff like that down lmao.