TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, Fnd Deceased, & Margo Carey, 2 weeks, Fnd Alive, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #11

[Trudie]

The way the affidavit is worded, I do not believe the camera footage mentioned does show them getting into the car. It clearly states that it shows it going north towards the back of the complex, and that is where Heidi lived. It doesn't mean that they have not found more video since then though. I recall some articles that said some of the residents of the apt complex didn't even know someone was missing until the FBI knocked on their door.

Remember, “cctv reveals Heidi willingly getting into MF’s car.”
But yeah, we don’t know how many people provided camera footage to LE.
Moo

 

[Mauig’ma]

I had a dream last night that mace was “accidentally” shot in her face. Probably not what happened but Wouldn’t it limit her seeing where she was going? Meghan could have said I didn’t mean to and let me get you help. Pulling over and finishing her off? Idk. I’m grasping at straws I know.

 

[Mauig’ma]

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[Trudie]

You may be right; I'm sure there's plenty we still don't know about the sequence of events.

But, I don't see what you suspect happened supported by any facts available to us at this time.

I watched the Tim Miller interview again tonight. He clearly stated that LE told him they didn't have anything to go on in terms of defining a search area. I don't see why LE would lie to TM or why TM would lie about LE having told him that.

Based on the facts outlined in the Affidavit, it instead looks like LE came to focus on MF as a suspect on the 18th of December and moved very quickly on that suspicion thereafter.

(BBM) absolutely agree & had LE reason to focus on MF any sooner, they would have moved, imo. No reason for LE to sit on it for a few days. Obviously no one is at fault, witnesses cone forward when they come forward. HB’s disappearance was puzzling from the onset, friends kept saying “she would never leave willingly” & then we learn “HB willingly got into car.”

On another note, none of us know if MF had a car seat in the back & HB secured Margo as the car departed the parking lot. We know the witness said the car left right away w/o HB having time to put M in the seat. At my local grocery, I see cars pulling out quite often with mom or a passenger still securing kids, parking lots in my state are not patrolled. I always have my seatbelt on before I get to the road but I also leave my parking spot w/o it on.
All MOO

 

[Trudie]

Was he excited he had become a father and send/post photos to family and friends?

I’m suggesting CG was not at all excited, his mom didn’t know MF was pregnant, per reports. Perhaps he had reason to doubt MF or doubt the child she carried (not) was his & intended to get a paternity test, then advise family if he turned out to be the father. Not to sound crass but imo, I feel little about MF excited CG. It appears she was most desperate to remain in his life. If they “split” in March, things were not good leading up to March, imo.

A major question for me is how did MF control HB (in the backseat) once she realized something was wrong or off?

. Prob’ some rough language exchanged & again, short of grabbing the wheel, slamming the brakes, shoving the car into PARK, what could HB do? All of those things would have been difficult from the backseat, imo.
Thinking of myself in a car with a life friend that suddenly went berserk & I could not get out. I suppose I’d try to grab the wheel, hoping to careen into a ditch or the shoulder, hopefully damaging the vehicle slightly, enough to prevent driving further & enough so that someone passing would stop or call 911. Moo
All moo

I found this, but these things would be difficult if the victim is in the back & two in the front, the front passenger could easily fight back. Moo

Here Are 12 Ways To Escape A Kidnapper
If You're A Passenger In A Car, Try To Make The Driver Crash
There are many different variations on this scenario, but the fact is that your kidnapper will most likely need a vehicle to take you to wherever they're trying to hide you. If you're the passenger in a car, and your hands aren't bound, make it your priority to attack your abductor so they crash the car. Of course, you should only attempt this at slow speeds to guarantee your safety. If you're in the passenger seat, you can yank the wheel, attempt to turn the key in the ignition, or step your foot onto the accelerator, depending on the vehicle type. If you're in the backseat, try attacking the captor's eyes or grab them by the throat, causing them to panic and crash.

 

[Momof4RN]

DBM

It's the most direct route, so yes, that's what I'd expect. (I posted the route thirty million threads ago that I think makes the most sense, and this is on the way) Add that to her traveling that route to the birth of MC, it makes sense that she'd go that way back "home". I would imagine they have the same data later but it's not in the AA. I'm actually surprised that it's the Giddings ALPR mentioned. It's literally the world's smallest town. I'm thinking there are many other ALPRs between here and there that have her, but in order to get the AA and warrants, this was material, and data since maybe not so much, so not for public consumption.

That was what I was thinking when I read the AA. If they have video evidence of her driving to Austin on the 26th they had to also have video evidence of her driving there on the 12th.
One thing I learned from the Heather Elvis case is that LE can have video evidence under lock and key for a long time before they find the need to present it. As in 3 trials and 5 years later....

 

[Momof4RN]

Okay @Optics. I'm not interested in an argument or promoting Tim Miller.

I am however interested in this case and have therefor watched the press conferences, read the media reports, and read the Affidavits.

There was nothing in the last LE press conference indicating how or when LE came to focus the person who had just been taken into custody, aside from a vague reference to a recent "lead".

At that press conference, LE reps stated that a baby believed (but not then confirmed) to be Margo was located alive at a home in Harris County and the body of a woman believed (but not then confirmed) to be Heidi Broussard was recovered.

During that press conference, LE confirmed that a suspect had been taken into custody for kidnapping and tampering with a corpse. LE did not even mention the name of the suspect (MF), in order to protect the integrity of the investigation.

So, I don't see how your contentions and suspicions are in any way supported by the content of that press conference.

But, if you want to point out something I missed, I'll be glad to look at it and stand corrected. No problem. If you don't want to do that, still no problem.

I don’t think any of us are trying to dispute you. It’s just a difference of opinion on when the focus turned to MF and why. You may in fact be right.
As someone mentioned earlier there is a big gap from #15 to #16 in the AA so I think some of us are trying to brainstorm what could have been going on behind the scenes during that time. There appears to be 3 days unaccounted for. What could LE have been doing those 3 days that led them to the 18th?

 

[Momof4RN]

No, he wasn't working with LE. He was called in by Shane's dad.

Hmm I thought he always worked with LE? This dispute came up in the Aniah Blanchard case too. Heck if I know. But since I missed when and where he was called in i’ll Take your word for it. Thanks!

 

[Trudie]

What could LE have been doing those 3 days that led them to the 18th?

we know they searched apartments and houses backing up to the apartments on 12-18. Clearly, at least imo, they weren’t yet to the “Houston we have a problem” point. Also, no SW for MF’s phone prior to 12-18.

Hmm I thought he always worked with LE?

later I can post link, I’m sure I saved it. TM stayed he was contacted by family. moo
Eta: also, Tim stated MF never mentioned she had a baby, he was completely unaware. (I think CBS Austin can answer any questions you have)

 

[espirtu pampa]

I'didn't follow this case from the begining as I was on another WS thread.

1. At about what date did HB and baby Margo's disapearance came on the News ?
2. Was their precise address at the same time given ?

I'm wondering how neigbours where not on alert as it was someone of their immediate surroundings (buidling complex).

Many thanks.

 

[Momof4RN]

Fiance of woman killed in alleged baby-stealing plot says he’s still ‘waiting to hear her voice’

“I want to look at her straight in the eyes and ask her why?” Carey said of Fieramusca. “That’s all I want to say. There’s no reason for any of this. I believe somebody talked her into it. I mean, from knowing Magen, I would never imagine it.”

“I don’t know what happened. … Heidi is way stronger than Magen. There has to be a second person. There is no way Magen was by herself,” he added.

 

[missy1974]

Fiance of woman killed in alleged baby-stealing plot says he’s still ‘waiting to hear her voice’

“I want to look at her straight in the eyes and ask her why?” Carey said of Fieramusca. “That’s all I want to say. There’s no reason for any of this. I believe somebody talked her into it. I mean, from knowing Magen, I would never imagine it.”

“I don’t know what happened. … Heidi is way stronger than Magen. There has to be a second person. There is no way Magen was by herself,” he added.

Thanks for finding this! Seems that SC kind of can't believe MF did this... also interesting that he still thinks there had to be someone else involved.

Hopefully GMA will upload the interview this morning and I can watch when I get home from work

 

[Momof4RN]

Carey told ABC: 'She deserves more. She deserves way more. 'Heidi loved Magen, they had a great relationship. She was friend. You would not suspect this at all. Like, at all.

'I went over about a thousand times in my head, I should have been there, I should have noticed something.'

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But Carey questions why no one has yet been charged with murder, adding: 'I guess it's tampering with evidence, [but] how is no one charged? There has to be someone charged.

'I don't know why this happened. She had my baby in her room supposedly. So it had to be her. She had to be involved.'

Grief-stricken fiance of slain mom Heidi Broussard says he believes suspect was 'talked into it' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Trudie]

Fiance of woman killed in alleged baby-stealing plot says he’s still ‘waiting to hear her voice’

“I want to look at her straight in the eyes and ask her why?” Carey said of Fieramusca. “That’s all I want to say. There’s no reason for any of this. I believe somebody talked her into it. I mean, from knowing Magen, I would never imagine it.”

“I don’t know what happened. … Heidi is way stronger than Magen. There has to be a second person. There is no way Magen was by herself,” he added.

this is interesting. Ya know, IF MF had a friend, male or female, she shared her dilemma with, the “OMG, wth am I going to do, CG thinks I’m pregnant.....”, it is not far fetched to believe someone else MIGHT have helped her hatch a plan. IF so, how far did that person go?

All MOO not implying or suggesting an accomplice only thinking.

eta: if talked into this as SC thinks, I highly doubt the other person had any interest other than helping MF maintain her lifestyle, home & relationship to CG. Moo

 

[Trudie]

Thanks for finding this! Seems that SC kind of can't believe MF did this... also interesting that he still thinks there had to be someone else involved.

Hopefully GMA will upload the interview this morning and I can watch when I get home from work

@Missy 1974 your boss needs to get real, is he not aware you have more important things to do?

it would be difficult to believe a friend capable yet we see crimes most often committed by a suspect known to the victim. Moo

 

[Momof4RN]

this is interesting. Ya know, IF MF had a friend, male or female, she shared her dilemma with, the “OMG, wth am I going to do, CG thinks I’m pregnant.....”, it is not far fetched to believe someone else MIGHT have helped her hatch a plan. IF so, how far did that person go?

All MOO not implying or suggesting an accomplice only thinking

Idk i woke up this am wondering if there was a 2nd person involved. Why? What motive would that person have? And now after hearing SC the only thing I can think of is $. As in someone offered MF $ to do this. But then again why? And who? Moo

 

[Trudie]

Idk i woke up this am wondering if there was a 2nd person involved. Why? What motive would that person have? And now after hearing SC the only thing I can think of is $. As in someone offered MF $ to do this. But then again why? And who? Moo

I’m considering more a person MF might have spent a lot of time with, someone close to her. Close enough she shared her faux pregnancy with. When MF first claimed to be pregnant back in May, she might have been buying time, planning to find housing, employment, etc. those things never materialized so she had to get a baby. If she discussed her situation, I think someone could have asked “got any pregnant friends?” And the wheels churned. Seems like a delay in murder charges is significant. Moo

 

[NuttMegg]

SBM
I consider CG found MF repulsive/revolting & the last thing he wanted was to feel her belly & wanted to avoid physical contact at all costs. To be real, MF looks nothing like she did in photos of the early days of her relationship with CG. Yeah, love is blind, but CG is a young guy, prob’ not so blind. Blindsided? Definitely. moo

MF weighs 225 and is 5'9" IIRC, last mug shot event. QB Russell Wilson is 5'10", and 207. But his is muscle. What was Heidi, 150, just after pregnancy, and 5'3"? Heidi didn't have a chance. The main thing I still really wonder about is if MF really got back in the passenger side. I suppose everyone else wonders that too of course. All MF had to do is get her off on some back road, Heidi couldn't run with the baby. It doesn't seem weird to imagine a pretense as to how she got into the car, I like the idea that someone mentioned about needing to go park.

We haven't seen any data about disturbances or evidence inside MF car, have we?

 

[Momof4RN]

I’m considering more a person MF might have spent a lot of time with, someone close to her. Close enough she shared her faux pregnancy with. When MF first claimed to be pregnant back in May, she might have been buying time, planning to find housing, employment, etc. those things never materialized so she had to get a baby. If she discussed her situation, I think someone could have asked “got any pregnant friends?” And the wheels churned. Seems like a delay in murder charges is significant. Moo

If this was the case would have to be someone MF was closer to than even Heidi. I just can’t for the life of me see why anyone would put that idea in someone else’s head and maybe help her carry out the plot with nothing to gain. Who does that?

 

[NuttMegg]

I think HB’s other friend who was in delivery room was suspicious. That friend spoke to investigators on 12/17. If I remember correctly she had mentioned that MF didn’t act like someone expecting and she was taken back about how she left right away without saying a word. She felt something wasn’t right. (Paraphrasing).

And that MF was holding a pillow over her "pregnancy", hard to picture that one.