TX TX - Houston, *GRAPHIC*, suicide, Wht/Hsp Male, 13-19, UP87935, found dead in bus, Jan'22

  • #461
Thank you for this! It does sound really complicated!
Very!
An immigration attorney once spoke at an event, it was overwhelming
And events come up in the news and I learn a bit more and realize I don't know anything.

Immigration is a "gray area" of the law. It is not a crime to be in the US illegally. But you can be deported. But being deported is not considered a criminal penalty.

So, it's kinda crazy and makes you think differently. I'm pretty sure it's this way in many countries.
 
  • #462
I wonder if it affects anything that he was 17 at the time of his arrest? You are a minor until you are 18 in USA correct? If he is here illegally, how would they handle that? Or even if it was a Misdemeanor. Also, would court records be public knowledge after the arrest? I'm not very well versed in USA law.

MOO

Age 17 is considered a Minor unless the court waives this for cause and charges the defendant as an adult. Currently, my state law permits public access to juvenile court records through the Odyssey online records system (Odyssey also used by Texas), as well as in person at courthouses (full name often times ordered redacted to initials). The law allows for juvenile records to be sealed only if several conditions are met, such as the juvenile turns 18 or completes probation and has not committed a drug, sex or “most serious” offense such as first-degree robbery or murder.

In my experience, whether or not the State criminal/civil court records (for adults) are public really depends on the state. Some states such as Florida have laws that make public disclosure a given whereas other states only work with certain vendors that require a fee based subscription to search and additional cost to view docs.

Relative to immigration matters, this is generally heard in "Immigration Court" which is a part of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) while criminal and civil courts are part of the United States judicial branch (federal Court) and court records are not available to the public except by subscription with Pacer or similar vendor. MOO
 
  • #463
Sadly, I imagine it will be difficult for LE to find out whether this potential match is a missing person, if he's a migrant.

They might not be able to find him nor his relatives.

I wonder if they have fingerprints on record for A. (the potential match) and could compare those to fingerprints they may have obtained from the unidentified boy, though?
 
  • #464
Sadly, I imagine it will be difficult for LE to find out whether this potential match is a missing person, if he's a migrant.

They might not be able to find him nor his relatives.

I wonder if they have fingerprints on record for A. (the potential match) and could compare those to fingerprints they may have obtained from the unidentified boy, though?
I was wondering this as well. I hope they can find something to help ID him. MOO
 
  • #465
Sadly, I imagine it will be difficult for LE to find out whether this potential match is a missing person, if he's a migrant.

They might not be able to find him nor his relatives.

I wonder if they have fingerprints on record for A. (the potential match) and could compare those to fingerprints they may have obtained from the unidentified boy, though?

The names of his companions are "American style" without the mother's maiden name. Now, I don't know if this means anything or not.
 
  • #466
Age 17 is considered a Minor unless the court waives this for cause and charges the defendant as an adult. Currently, my state law permits public access to juvenile court records through the Odyssey online records system (Odyssey also used by Texas), as well as in person at courthouses (full name often times ordered redacted to initials). The law allows for juvenile records to be sealed only if several conditions are met, such as the juvenile turns 18 or completes probation and has not committed a drug, sex or “most serious” offense such as first-degree robbery or murder.

In my experience, whether or not the State criminal/civil court records (for adults) are public really depends on the state. Some states such as Florida have laws that make public disclosure a given whereas other states only work with certain vendors that require a fee based subscription to search and additional cost to view docs.

Relative to immigration matters, this is generally heard in "Immigration Court" which is a part of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) while criminal and civil courts are part of the United States judicial branch (federal Court) and court records are not available to the public except by subscription with Pacer or similar vendor. MOO
Thank you for this!!!
 
  • #467
I've seen this potential match mentioned on reddit and in a Tiktok. I'm hoping multiple people are reaching out
 
  • #468
Sadly, I imagine it will be difficult for LE to find out whether this potential match is a missing person, if he's a migrant.

They might not be able to find him nor his relatives.

I wonder if they have fingerprints on record for A. (the potential match) and could compare those to fingerprints they may have obtained from the unidentified boy, though?
It is obvious that they are the same person, you don't even need fingerprints but since they need to verify to see if they are, they can.
 
  • #469
It is obvious that they are the same person, you don't even need fingerprints but since they need to verify to see if they are, they can.
There are thresholds they need to meet for a formal identification. Visual ID from photographs isn't necessarily enough for the law. Fingerprints, dentals, x-rays of other body parts showing uniqueness (nasal sinuses are highly individualised, for example, but there are also things like congenital or acquired identifiers like from an injury), and DNA tend to be what is relied upon these days.

MOO
 
  • #470
It is obvious that they are the same person, you don't even need fingerprints but since they need to verify to see if they are, they can.

From what I've seen here, some "obvious" matches turn out not to be a match (but I see what you mean.)
 
  • #471
Sadly, I imagine it will be difficult for LE to find out whether this potential match is a missing person, if he's a migrant.

They might not be able to find him nor his relatives.

I wonder if they have fingerprints on record for A. (the potential match) and could compare those to fingerprints they may have obtained from the unidentified boy, though?
If he has a TDL, he would have fingerprints on file. Also likely if he is here on a VISA. (Happens alot. Families get work VISAs and stay) They would also have prints if A is an asylum seeker.

If he is here on a VISA or asylum seeker, they can probably do a "welfare check". (Probably not the correct word, but the govt has the "right to know" where non-citizens are residing)

If he is a US citizen, he has more privacy rights.
 
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  • #472
I am sorry, I may have missed it. But is this potential match for sure an immigrant or is this supposition?
 
  • #473
I am sorry, I may have missed it. But is this potential match for sure an immigrant or is this supposition?
No evidence for either the decedent or the match. I believe the issue comes up often as a possible explanation for why a decedent goes unclaimed for long periods of time. In this case, 18 months.
 
  • #474
I am sorry, I may have missed it. But is this potential match for sure an immigrant or is this supposition?

It is just speculation...
 
  • #475
I am sorry, I may have missed it. But is this potential match for sure an immigrant or is this supposition?
It's a picture of someone who has features like the UID. Some claim the image is him because a feature or two are identical.
The picture is of someone who is about the same age and close location. But the Houston-Galvestom metro area has about 7 million people.

It's no different than finding a yearbook picture that looks like an UID. Only this is a mugshot. No one knows anything about the person in the mugshot except his name and that he was arrested in Galveston. No known charges were filed. No one knows if he is missing. No one knows if he is an immigrant.

We don't know if the UID is an immigrant, but he has strong features seen in Central-American indigenous, who constitute a good portion of immigrants from around that time period. Plus no one has claimed him.

It's speculation
 
  • #476
I am sorry, I may have missed it. But is this potential match for sure an immigrant or is this supposition?
No, it's not for sure an immigrant and in a country like the US, with so many citizens born in the country who get hispanic names and look hispanic because their families are hispanic it doesn't even make much sense to especulate that he is a immigrant.

This kid could be second generation for all we know.
 
  • #477
It's a picture of someone who has features like the UID. Some claim the image is him because a feature or two are identical.
The picture is of someone who is about the same age and close location. But the Houston-Galvestom metro area has about 7 million people.

It's no different than finding a yearbook picture that looks like an UID. Only this is a mugshot. No one knows anything about the person in the mugshot except his name and that he was arrested in Galveston. No known charges were filed. No one knows if he is missing. No one knows if he is an immigrant.

We don't know if the UID is an immigrant, but he has strong features seen in Central-American indigenous, who constitute a good portion of immigrants from around that time period. Plus no one has claimed him.

It's speculation

Thank you! I have been following this case for some time and have felt like the picture may be a match. However, the conversation the last couple of days seemed to indicate a possible "knowing" that the arrested individual is an immigrant, so I was wondering if I missed something that identified him as such in his arrest record. Just trying to keep up! ;)
 
  • #478
hoping this is a match. resemblence is unreal.
 
  • #479
  • #480
I think you're onto something, the forehead scar, shape and angle of the eyes, eyebrows, nose - they look extremely similar. Have you submitted this tip?
Ope nevermind I saw that they did submit! I really think it's him...
How did you come across the mugshot? @souljaman2022
 
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