TX TX - Houston, *GRAPHIC*, suicide, Wht/Hsp Male, 13-19, UP87935, found dead in bus, Jan'22

  • #141
i lost where it said what exactly his fatal wound was and where it was. it was either a stab wound or a gunshot, right? please correct me if im wrong. i forgot all together where it was on his body. can someone clear that up?
 
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  • #142
i lost where it said what exactly his fatal wound was and where it was. it was either a stab wound or a gunshot, right? please correct me if im wrong. i forgot all together where it was on his body. can someone clear that up?
If I am remembering correctly, he had hung himself and was still alive when found but died shortly thereafter. It may be mentioned earlier in this thread.
 
  • #143
If I am remembering correctly, he had hung himself and was still alive when found but died shortly thereafter. It may be mentioned earlier in this thread.

ADMIN NOTE:

Checking through this thread, "hanging" appears to have been member speculation now being discussed as fact.

Unless there is MSM, LE, or coroner information in this regard, hanging is NOT the known cause of death.
 
  • #144
the photoshopped shirt is strange unless there was something they didnt want seen, maybe violent injury? but he looks too clean to have sharp force or gunshot wounds, unless hed already been cleaned?
Since the initial Texas DPS post last February, we've learned more facts from both Unidentified Persons/Namus and the Harris County Institute for Forensic Sciences-- which I'm referencing to help clear up a few discrepancies that it appears are being perpetuated about the unidentified male.

Reportedly, the young man was unresponsive when located inside an abandoned bus (school bus??) and transported to a hospital (Ben Taub) where he later expired. The ME determined the young man was a victim of suicide. However, I don't think a violent injury the reason that the photo was edited to add a t-shirt to the corpse.

Sadly, the cause of date is suicide, per DPS.

unDetails

Case Number: U2202001
Agency: INST OF FORENSIC SCIENCES OF HARRIS COUNTY
Date Found: 01/10/2022
Estimated Date of Death: 01/10/2022
Cause of Death: Suicide

Race: White
Age: 16 - 24
Height: 5' 00" - 5' 01"
Eye Color: Brown

Sex: Male

Weight: 112 lbs. - 112 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown

City Found: HOUSTON
County Found: HARRIS
State Found: Texas
Country Found: USA

Description:
LOCATED IN ABANDONED BUS WHERE PEOPLE ARE KNOWN TO LOITER. CLOTHING - BLK ADIDAS PANTS WITH WHI STRIPE DOWN LEGS, TEAL TOP IN RED AND BLU - BLK HI-TOPS SIZ 6-1/2

I’m surprised to see the the cause of death is suicide. I wonder what the manner of death was.

While DPS Missing Persons Clearinghouse records provide the decedent's cause of death as suicide, this is incorrect. Suicide is in fact the manner of death, and the cause of death is not yet released per the available links.

Throughout the country, including Harris County, TX, there are generally five manners of death (natural, accident, suicide, homicide, and undetermined), where manner is the determination of how the injury or disease leads to death.

To be clear, the cause of death is the specific injury or disease that leads to death. For example, asphyxiation is the 2nd leading cause of suicide in the U.S.

Based on the abrasions visible around his neck, I would say hanging.

I could not find any linked evidence that supports hanging.

Reportedly, the youth was found unresponsive inside a bus at 6260 Westpark Drive, Houston, Tx -- an area where people are known to loiter.

The address also corresponds with a 115,001 square-foot, twin modern professional high-rise building in the middle of Houston, near the Galleria, an upscale shopping mall (see building lot photo at the link below). It's also known as the Westchase neighborhood, which is known for its connection to the oil industry.

I believe the lot area is checked often and probably why the victim was soon transported to a hospital where he later died. I also wouldn't be surprised if the lot was used for off-site parking for Galleria employees where they're shuttled to the mall and the bus left in the lot overnight. Given the month of January, I think it plausible the young man entered the bus for shelter from the cold.

Last but not least, at the moment of death, all of the muscles in the body relax, a state called primary flaccidity. Eyelids lose their tension, the pupils dilate, and the body's joints and limbs are flexible. And more likely than not, the jaw often falls open. This is very natural and certainly not any indication of a specific cause of death as some have posted.

For example, I can attest how less than a week ago, while at the bedside of a dear old friend when she expired, her mouth was open very similar to the unidentified decedent. The difference here was probably that she was a patient at a private hospice facility where available staff soon attended and placed a couple of rolled-up hand towels beneath her chin and neck area to lift the jaw and/or close the mouth, while we waited for the funeral home to collect her body. IMO, the unidentified victim likely died in the ER and was transported to the morgue, when convenient-- where he was later photographed in his natural state.





 
  • #145
Since the initial Texas DPS post last February, we've learned more facts from both Unidentified Persons/Namus and the Harris County Institute for Forensic Sciences-- which I'm referencing to help clear up a few discrepancies that it appears are being perpetuated about the unidentified male.

Reportedly, the young man was unresponsive when located inside an abandoned bus (school bus??) and transported to a hospital (Ben Taub) where he later expired. The ME determined the young man was a victim of suicide. However, I don't think a violent injury the reason that the photo was edited to add a t-shirt to the corpse.





While DPS Missing Persons Clearinghouse records provide the decedent's cause of death as suicide, this is incorrect. Suicide is in fact the manner of death, and the cause of death is not yet released per the available links.

Throughout the country, including Harris County, TX, there are generally five manners of death (natural, accident, suicide, homicide, and undetermined), where manner is the determination of how the injury or disease leads to death.

To be clear, the cause of death is the specific injury or disease that leads to death. For example, asphyxiation is the 2nd leading cause of suicide in the U.S.



I could not find any linked evidence that supports hanging.

Reportedly, the youth was found unresponsive inside a bus at 6260 Westpark Drive, Houston, Tx -- an area where people are known to loiter.

The address also corresponds with a 115,001 square-foot, twin modern professional high-rise building in the middle of Houston, near the Galleria, an upscale shopping mall (see building lot photo at the link below). It's also known as the Westchase neighborhood, which is known for its connection to the oil industry.

I believe the lot area is checked often and probably why the victim was soon transported to a hospital where he later died. I also wouldn't be surprised if the lot was used for off-site parking for Galleria employees where they're shuttled to the mall and the bus left in the lot overnight. Given the month of January, I think it plausible the young man entered the bus for shelter from the cold.

Last but not least, at the moment of death, all of the muscles in the body relax, a state called primary flaccidity. Eyelids lose their tension, the pupils dilate, and the body's joints and limbs are flexible. And more likely than not, the jaw often falls open. This is very natural and certainly not any indication of a specific cause of death as some have posted.

For example, I can attest how less than a week ago, while at the bedside of a dear old friend when she expired, her mouth was open very similar to the unidentified decedent. The difference here was probably that she was a patient at a private hospice facility where available staff soon attended and placed a couple of rolled-up hand towels beneath her chin and neck area to lift the jaw and/or close the mouth, while we waited for the funeral home to collect her body. IMO, the unidentified victim likely died in the ER and was transported to the morgue, when convenient-- where he was later photographed in his natural state.





Sorry to hear about your friend. I appreciate the info you shared, I didn’t know that but it makes sense.
 
  • #146
He doesn't have an overbite? Overbites would be the lower jaw further back from the upper jaw creating a kind of hamster like profile. Some of my family have had braces with a few cases of overbites so im pretty familiar with the different bites and i can deffo say that he isn't someone with an overbite, his face looks pretty well developed. Some faces can only grow to their genetic potential and this is probably his. His nose to chin ratio is proportionate so overbites can deffo be ruled out.
A pronounced overbite would be the girl on the left hand side, and on the right its her post treatment. If you look at her nose to chin ratio its significantly proportionate after the treatment and looks similar to the profile of Johndoe, the chin doesn't necessarily have to be the same height as the nose
One thing I noticed as well is that John Doe appears to have a widows peak while Nery Sis Chen does not.
 
  • #147
Has it been revealed how he was found in the bus and by whom? What made someone look in the bus in the first place and right after he committed suicide?
im not exactly sure but my theory is that he was found by a passerby. people were known to loiter in and around the bus so it wouldn't have taken long for him to be found. i would assume by a homeless individual or someone along those lines.
 
  • #148
I don't think he hung himself because he was found alive. when someone hangs themself they are dead within about 30ish seconds to 1 minute. basically, when they stop moving they are already gone in most cases. if he was still moving they would have been able to save him and I assume he wasn't moving when they found him. plus- buses usually aren't tall enough for someone to hang themselves from the top of, regardless of the young man's height. My best guess is that he had slit his throat. I'm not discussing this as fact, just speculation. he wasn't bleeding in the PM, so there's a chance I'm very much wrong, but he could have been cleaned before the photo so it wouldn't be so graphic for anyone trying to identify their son/brother/friend- etc.
 
  • #149
makes sense... its spreading to Arkansas I guess. didn't know what was up with the kids getting them over but now I do. no kids who have an Edgar cut get in serious trouble. let alone being in a real gang. i think a theory is that maybe our doe could have been younger than we think. I remember getting little designs on your fade was really popular when i was in like 2nd-5th grade. i still see a lot of younger kids with those. i think the cowboys theory is plausible. id broaden our age range of kids on NCMEC to be our doe.
cali too. it was cool about 3 years ago, then made fun of and now its popular again. 2 of my kids have it.

stars are gang related in norcal."the north star" is a NF or NS thing. but that obvi wouldnt be in southern texas. i was thinking cowboys related.
 
  • #150
I don't think he hung himself because he was found alive. when someone hangs themself they are dead within about 30ish seconds to 1 minute. basically, when they stop moving they are already gone in most cases. <snip>
Keeping in mind that hanging in this case is all speculation, clinical death can take a good bit longer than 30-60 seconds.There's multiple possible causes of death by hanging, with variable lengths of time for each to occur (broken spine vs. cerebral hypoxia vs. suffocation, etc.)
Source: Hanging - Wikipedia

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  • #151
Following. It's a teen, for sure.
 
  • #152
I was hoping when I checked back that this young man would be identified. So sad to see he is not.

I wanted to look more into the place he was found. I was imaginig desolate by the description, but he was found in a bus in a multi-plex type office. If you do the street view it takes you through the parking lot of the location, which has buses and lots of cars parked:


 
  • #153
I was hoping when I checked back that this young man would be identified. So sad to see he is not.

I wanted to look more into the place he was found. I was imaginig desolate by the description, but he was found in a bus in a multi-plex type office. If you do the street view it takes you through the parking lot of the location, which has buses and lots of cars parked:


Thanks for looking into this. Although the title of this thread says it was a "school bus", NamUs only describes it as "an abandoned bus in the parking lot of an office building". It could well be more like the ones in the street view image you shared that was taken in 2020. MOO
 
  • #154
Thanks for looking into this. Although the title of this thread says it was a "school bus", NamUs only describes it as "an abandoned bus in the parking lot of an office building". It could well be more like the ones in the street view image you shared that was taken in 2020. MOO
Oop, you're right, I don't know why I assumed school bus! o_O Brain fart. I'll ask for a title change.
 
  • #155
Oop, you're right, I don't know why I assumed school bus! o_O Brain fart. I'll ask for a title change.
so was it something like a church bus? i couldnt find images of the actual bus
 
  • #156
so was it something like a church bus? i couldnt find images of the actual bus
Doubtful. This location is a business park (near the city center) where it's most likely a shuttle-type bus. JMO
 
  • #157
Doubtful. This location is a business park (near the city center) where it's most likely a shuttle-type bus. JMO
yeah, thats the word i was looking for. i agree. thank you!
 
  • #158
so was it something like a church bus? i couldnt find images of the actual bus
good luck finding anything about this case! theres minimal info about him is on two databases, and that's it. No MSM, no press releases (unless its well hidden and i have not found it), nothing. Houston PD even keeps a log of all their news releases and he's not mentioned. I'm guessing because it was ruled a suicide?? because they seem to list 'investigations into deaths' in these logs as well. I find the lack of MSM coverage very very strange honestly, I feel like its rare to come across current juvenile UID cases where there isn't at least one report or one media snippet.
 
  • #159
good luck finding anything about this case! theres minimal info about him is on two databases, and that's it. No MSM, no press releases (unless its well hidden and i have not found it), nothing. Houston PD even keeps a log of all their news releases and he's not mentioned. I'm guessing because it was ruled a suicide?? because they seem to list 'investigations into deaths' in these logs as well. I find the lack of MSM coverage very very strange honestly, I feel like its rare to come across current juvenile UID cases where there isn't at least one report or one media snippet.

I believe the lack of press and inquiry for the decedent is because he's likely from a foreign land. Hundreds of unaccompanied youths continue to be resettled in the Houston area each month.

Around 90 percent of the migrant kids arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border without parents or official sponsors in 2021 came from Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador. Some 15,000 of these migrant youths were released to sponsors in Texas, more than any other state.
 
  • #160

I believe the lack of press and inquiry for the decedent is because he's likely from a foreign land. Hundreds of unaccompanied youths continue to be resettled in the Houston area each month.

Around 90 percent of the migrant kids arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border without parents or official sponsors in 2021 came from Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador. Some 15,000 of these migrant youths were released to sponsors in Texas, more than any other state.
Yes and many runaways in Texas are from Guatemalia. NAMUS will say "left sponsor's residence". One person left because "he didn't want to go to school"
 

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