TX TX-Hunt, Overnight flooding at Camp Mystic, all girls camp. Unknown number of missing. July 4, 2025

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Governor Abbott Pressor 7/6/25 - 2:45 PM CDT

- Kerrville - 59 confirmed deceased - 11 girls still missing from Camp Mystic.
- Central Texas area - 10 confirmed deceased.
- Across the State there are 41 known missing.

In the Kerrville area, there were many people camping out in RV's. There are people who are missing who are not on the "known confirmed missing list", because we don't yet know who they are.

If you have a friend you beleive was in the Kerrville area, who you think is missing. Please contact the local officals in Kerr County and let them know the name and other information about the person. Please do not call if you are not sure, this slows down the efforts of first responders.

We have some unidentified individuals, adults and children. The Texas Rangers are collecting DNA from family members and deceased victims. Flying the samples to the University of North Texas in Dallas. We will have answers with Rapid DNA in hours not days, to get information back to these families who are waiting :(
 
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I'm still watching the press conference. Has there been an update on cell/internet coverage since the 4th? I know that initially service was bad, even the news channels were having a hard time broadcasting live. Has that improved? I'm wondering because I wonder how many people are missing that lost their cell phones, don't have numbers memorized in this day and age, and have not been able to physically get back to where their families are.
 
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Gemmie said:
I'm guessing that they know there were 81 people there if the post above says 70 dead with 11 missing. Does anyone know how many were camping out?
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As far as I have gathered reading on here, the 11 missing that they mention are only those from Camp Mystic. IOW there are many more missing people - probably a mix of adults and children - throughout the whole flooded area.

MOO
 
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sunflowermomma said:
I'm still watching the press conference. Has there been an update on cell/internet coverage since the 4th? I know that initially service was bad, even the news channels were having a hard time broadcasting live. Has that improved? I'm wondering because I wonder how many people are missing that lost their cell phones, don't have numbers memorized in this day and age, and have not been able to physically get back to where their families are.
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It was mentioned by one of the officials in the pressor, they have been bringing in cell towers to help with communication in the area.
 
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<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... I’m not seeing any reports that the Ingram Dam failed.
The water entering the lake was more than the lake could handle, the water rose higher than the height of the Ingram dam and the water flowed over the dam.
It was due to the massive amount of rain upstream on saturated ground, not due to a broken dam.

Texas has only a single natural lake, Caddo Lake, all of the other lakes are reservoirs. A reservoir is a man made lake on a river due to dam or dams.
The lakes hold and store water when it is raining so it can be used for cities, and release that water in a timely manner downstream to the river for other lakes and cities.
Texas has an intricate system of dams and lakes down all of the major rivers- there are over 7000 dams. The water is managed by entities such as the Lower Colorado River Authority, Colorado River Authority, Brazos River Authority- there are twenty river authorities in Texas.

This means the water in Texas is highly managed along the above ground rivers, into lakes with dams, and also in the below ground aquifers.
This also means the amount of water should have been estimated well, and therefore warnings should have been sent out.

The flooding that happened was due to saturated ground and enormous amounts of rainfall, it was not a sudden wall of water due to a dam breaking.

That water moving down the Colorado and Guadalupe Rivers is now flooding areas downstream
I saw a Flood Warning for Victoria, Texas which is far southeast in Victoria County, water then heads to Matagorda County into the gulf.

This isn’t over yet- rain is still falling and water is still collecting on the saturated land and moving into rivers and downstream.
Be safe, it is heartbreaking

IMO
 
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angelainwi said:
That is for North Carolina
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Current radar image, 3:56CDT. The green rectangle indicates a flash flood alert.
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So heartbreaking.
Condolences to all who have lost loved ones.
I don't know that anyone could've predicted the severity of this disaster ?
Camps would naturally be located near a water source for fishing and canoeing/swimming ; but I'm thinking nothing like this had occurred before and the camp directors thought it was high enough from the riverbanks ?
Sadly some of the camp directors perished as well.... most likely trying to save the kids.
 
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Serononin said:
As a Brit, I know a few people who spent a summer or two in the US as teenagers, working at camps. I never did it myself, but saw the job ads pretty frequently when I was looking for summer jobs as a teen. Can confirm that it's not that uncommon for kids here to be fascinated by the concept of American summer camps thanks to movies (for me it was The Parent Trap)
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I was obsessed with that idea of summer camp myself as an American. I did get to go to a poor-man's version and it was fabulous! We were just average kids from blue-collar families in the 70's and we had the best time.

My daughter was recruited in college to work at one of these larger more elite type of camps. Just to add here about the counselors: my daughter went through a pretty rigorous vetting process, criminal background checks and series of interviews. She had to have references from very specific types of people from different time periods and areas of her life attesting to her character. I even had to write one for her because she needed one from a parent but it was more like a very long and detailed questionnaire. There was also a full-time crew who worked the camp every year in addition to the college aged kids that were counselors. Her camp did not accept high school kids. They limit their counselors to kids who had at least completed one year of college. She was offered a full-time position (she was not a counselor but an art teacher) when she graduated college but she declined.
 
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AngTxGal said:
Wait a second, I don’t not think this is correct. Breach implies it broke- I’m not seeing any reports that the Ingram Dam failed.
The water entering the lake was more than the lake could handle, the water rose higher than the height of the Ingram dam and the water flowed over the dam.
It was due to the massive amount of rain upstream on saturated ground, not due to a broken dam.

Texas has only a single natural lake, Caddo Lake, all of the other lakes are reservoirs. A reservoir is a man made lake on a river due to dam or dams.
The lakes hold and store water when it is raining so it can be used for cities, and release that water in a timely manner downstream to the river for other lakes and cities.
Texas has an intricate system of dams and lakes down all of the major rivers- there are over 7000 dams. The water is managed by entities such as the Lower Colorado River Authority, Colorado River Authority, Brazos River Authority- there are twenty river authorities in Texas.

This means the water in Texas is highly managed along the above ground rivers, into lakes with dams, and also in the below ground aquifers.
This also means the amount of water should have been estimated well, and therefore warnings should have been sent out.

The flooding that happened was due to saturated ground and enormous amounts of rainfall, it was not a sudden wall of water due to a dam breaking.

That water moving down the Colorado and Guadalupe Rivers is now flooding areas downstream
I saw a Flood Warning for Victoria, Texas which is far southeast in Victoria County, water then heads to Matagorda County into the gulf.

This isn’t over yet- rain is still falling and water is still collecting on the saturated land and moving into rivers and downstream.
Be safe, it is heartbreaking

IMO
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I stand corrected on not using the proper term. I am certainly no expert and am only going based on what I have read and seen in news reports. I suppose over-topping or cresting would be the proper term. There were early reports using the terms I used, but it does seem that those have now been edited and rightly so it seems. However, when reading this article describing a "flood wave" I think that there was a massive swell of water that that did rush in over very dry and not saturated ground. All other reports I have read were not saying the ground was over saturated, but quite the opposite. The reports I have seen have said the ground was hard and not able to absorb the water coming down so fast and furious that decades old dry creek beds became raging rivers. In any case, this article below is pretty long and full of details, including what they call a "flood wave" which sounds terrifying.

"Central Texas was inundated with several inches of rain yesterday as unstable air produced thunderstorms, but rising waters may have been punctuated by the nearly instant rush of a "flood wave."

A flood wave is "a rise in streamflow to a crest and its subsequent recession caused by precipitation, snowmelt, dam failure, or reservoir releases," according to the National Weather Service."
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At least 51 dead in Texas floods, with dozens still missing from summer camp

Dozens dead in Texas floods as search continues for more than 20 missing from camp
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Chimera said:
Sadly some of the camp directors perished as well.... most likely trying to save the kids.
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Olaf, a Polishman who came to the camp for Camp America Cultural Exchange said in Polish MSM:

"Olaf, who came to the camp for the third time, emphasized that many people are still missing.

He noted that he learned from the owners of the center that their father, and director of the camp, Dick Eastland, died saving children.

'He got into the car and went to evacuate the children
and at that moment the water rose to such a level that he was simply swept away.
He was found at around 5 p.m. on Friday.
He gave his life for others'.

Olaf explained,
Camp Mystic had wooden and partially brick cabins.

'Some of them were flooded up to the roof.
A large part of the facility is destroyed',
he added.

According to him,
the first helicopter arrived at the site before 9 a.m.
During the day, they helped evacuate children from the center.
He added that rescuers could only reach the camp by road in the early afternoon
because the road had been impassable earlier."

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Another flood warning for the Guadalupe. Ground is saturated what little it will hold and it will run. We got a good blast of rain north of the affected area.
 
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