TX TX-Hunt, Overnight flooding at Camp Mystic, all girls camp. Unknown number of missing. July 4, 2025

DS2021 · Jul 14, 2025

Any camp mystic girls still missing?

iamshadow21 · Jul 14, 2025

DS2021 said:
Any camp mystic girls still missing?

Cile. Virginia. Margaret.

Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

State reduces number of missing in Central Texas flooding from 161 to 101

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the number of people now believed to be missing in catastrophic flooding near Kerr County is 97.

www.nbcdfw.com

The latest numbers reported by the state included 106 killed in Kerr County, including 70 adults and 36 children, with 97 missing; nine killed and four missing in Travis County; five killed and one missing in Burnet County; eight killed in Kendall County; three killed in Williamson County; and one killed in Tom Green County.

The total number of people missing includes 97 people from the greater Kerrville area and four others from flooding elsewhere in the state. Officials have not released the names of those reported to be missing....grhhh (why not??)

iamshadow21 · Jul 14, 2025

Friday Fan said:
State reduces number of missing in Central Texas flooding from 161 to 101

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the number of people now believed to be missing in catastrophic flooding near Kerr County is 97.

www.nbcdfw.com

The latest numbers reported by the state included 106 killed in Kerr County, including 70 adults and 36 children, with 97 missing; nine killed and four missing in Travis County; five killed and one missing in Burnet County; eight killed in Kendall County; three killed in Williamson County; and one killed in Tom Green County.

The total number of people missing includes 97 people from the greater Kerrville area and four others from flooding elsewhere in the state. Officials have not released the names of those reported to be missing....grhhh (why not??)

The total's been at around that number for days. I know that bad weather has made searching difficult or impossible, but it really does make me wonder how many of the remaining missing will ever be found. Decomposition will help with location if a body is in water or exposed on land... but there was an image in an article I read the other day of an entire Ford truck completely buried in a riverbank with only little bits of the frame and tyres exposed. If a victim is under twelve feet of mud and rock, how likely is it they will ever be recovered? How would the searchers even know they were there?

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Sundog · Jul 14, 2025

At a meeting of the Kerr county commission on Monday morning, the first since the disaster, officials revealed grim new details of the aftermath of the emergency. “We’ve heard accounts of trailer after trailer after trailer being swept into the river with families in them. [We] can’t find the trailers, we don’t know how many of them there are,” the county judge, Rob Kelly, said.

One trailer was found “completely covered in gravel” 27ft below the surface of the river, he said, adding that sonar crews were searching the river and local lakes. Two reservoir lakes attached to the river would be drained to aid the search, officials said.

ETA Prayers for all the victims from all the camps and campgrounds, including Dick Easton who gave his life trying to save the youngest children at Camp Mystic.

Texas camp leader waited over an hour after flood warning to evacuate

Camp Mystic leader, who died trying to save small children, waited over an hour after alert before starting evacuation

www.theguardian.com

Soulmagent · Jul 14, 2025

Sundog said:
At a meeting of the Kerr county commission on Monday morning, the first since the disaster, officials revealed grim new details of the aftermath of the emergency. “We’ve heard accounts of trailer after trailer after trailer being swept into the river with families in them. [We] can’t find the trailers, we don’t know how many of them there are,” the county judge, Rob Kelly, said.

One trailer was found “completely covered in gravel” 27ft below the surface of the river, he said, adding that sonar crews were searching the river and local lakes. Two reservoir lakes attached to the river would be drained to aid the search, officials said.

ETA Prayers for all the victims from all the camps and campgrounds, including Dick Easton who gave his life trying to save the youngest children at Camp Mystic.

Texas camp leader waited over an hour after flood warning to evacuate

Camp Mystic leader, who died trying to save small children, waited over an hour after alert before starting evacuation

www.theguardian.com

I pray they are not trying to make it more about affordable housing than they are about responsible building codes.
I have some words for both sides of sinking creeks!.

AngTxGal · Jul 14, 2025

Herat said:
NPR article:

FEMA removed dozens of Camp Mystic buildings from 100-year flood map before expansion, records show

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/12/nx-s1-5465564/fema-removed-camp-mystic

This doesn’t tell the whole story-
How many feet into and below the 100 year flood plain were the buildings?
How many buildings were lost that were above the 100 year flood plain?

Giving meaning to the 100 flood plain line creates a sense of knowing that simply does not exist. The meaning of 100 year flood plain is not what people think it is. If the goal is to prevent future issues- something more must be done than looking a past maps.

What should have been present is a warning system, warnings heard, a known plan in case of emergency, and a road that was not under water to allow evacuation.

The idea that it was commonly known that camps were negligent in building near rivers doesn’t make any logical sense. State politicians have children that attend camps along the Guadalupe, and other rivers, and have for generations.
It isn’t logical to assume these politicians willingly sent their own children to camps they knew were unsafe. There must be more to to story.

IMO

jillolantern · Jul 14, 2025

jesse said:
That's preposterous. FEMA hired local experts to determine if adjustment of flood maps is appropriate. Which is how it should be - it should be someone very familiar with the local area.

I would submit the whole game of flood maps is rigged. Spend 5 minutes looking at New Orleans. How does anyone build or live there? How does anyone get insurance? Blame whoever, its how it is and always has been. IMO

jillolantern · Jul 14, 2025

The Wall Street Journal has an interesting piece today explaining the progression of the flood at Camp Mystic building by building based on an interview with a camper. Its worthwhile if you have a subscription. IMO

No content per rules.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/camp-mystic-texas-flood-what-happened-9dbde882

Edit to add link after rules clarified. Thanks iamshadow21.

iamshadow21 · Jul 14, 2025

jillolantern said:
I'm not sure exactly how to do this. I think that I'm not allowed to link to a paywalled website but I can mention it? So I'll just mention that the Wall Street Journal has an interesting piece today explaining the progression of the flood at Camp Mystic building by building based on an interview with a camper. Its worthwhile if you have a subscription. IMO

You can link to it, and you can describe roughly the content, but you're not allowed to directly copy/paste the article, not even the 10% allowed with free access articles.

Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

Notice the destruction of the trees.

Those who are not familiar with the Guadalupe River. It's beautiful. That's why so many people were there and that's why all those camps are there and that's why people are "too close" to the water.

This is so sad.

I'm guessing this in the Kerrville area.

I heard that they are going to be draining Ingram Lake and a few other spots.

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Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

I hope this means, they will bring divers to search Canyon Lake!

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In-state and out-of-state emergency service resources will be in the Canyon Lake area assisting with Search & Recovery Operations related to the recent floods. By bringing in these Fire Departments and other services from outside the local area, it prevents local resources from being overwhelmed. These responders are part of a coordinated Local, State & Federal response. We ask that you please avoid the areas where you find search operations underway and show them the support and kindness that this community has always shown for Canyon Lake Fire / EMS.

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JaimeInLA · Jul 15, 2025

jillolantern said:
I would submit the whole game of flood maps is rigged. Spend 5 minutes looking at New Orleans. How does anyone build or live there? How does anyone get insurance? Blame whoever, its how it is and always has been. IMO

Same with Miami. The whole city is built on a sponge.

airportwoman · Jul 15, 2025

jillolantern said:
I would submit the whole game of flood maps is rigged. Spend 5 minutes looking at New Orleans. How does anyone build or live there? How does anyone get insurance? Blame whoever, its how it is and always has been. IMO

I've probably already said this here, but I live in a riverside city that floods almost every year, and for more than 100 years, city planners have been trying to figure out how to deal with it.

Like, don't build in the flood plain, folks?

AngTxGal · Jul 15, 2025

Friday Fan said:
The thing with Camp Mystic sorta reminds me of Schlitterbahn. When they were on the Comal, everything was awesome, relaxing etc etc. Then, they ventured out and the owner created the world's tallest water slide in Kansas City. A boy died and then everyone found out more about Schlitterbahn. The guy who created Schlitterbahn it was a "do it yourselfer". He didn't have the credentials to build the world's tallest water slide.

So, with the recent expansion at Camp Mystic, something similar. Appeals were made to FEMA to deregulate for new construction. I'm sure the attitude was: "it's wonderful by the river", "let's add on there".

Just a MOO thought and that's what it reminds me of...

The idea that everything was awesome and safe when Schlitterbahn was on the Comal before they expanded isn’t completely true. I grew up in the area and attended the park many times in the 80’s.
Waterparks were a novel thing, and like social media today, they were in existence for decades before hazards became known and they were regulated. In the 80’s the slides were concrete, and some had a rough surfaces, in attempt to prevent patrons from falling down. I myself suffered what looks like road rash when patron tubes would get bunched up and tubes would spin around and hit people against the sides. I’ve also seen tubes flip and people be under water, some hit their heads on the concrete sides. You live and learn- and I still went back many many times.
Regulations come out of incidents and accidents and lawsuits- when someone sues and pursues change rather than choosing to settle out of court.
What isn’t possible is to prevent all the unknowns and accidents before they happen. We would all be surprised to find out how camps, water parks, amusement parks were run and created in decades past before such regulations. And we still go, and assume some level or risk to be terrified, thrilled, and amused. And accidents still happen despite efforts to improve safety.

Let’s hope such litigation takes place, and they push for investigations to hold responsible and work for prevention.

IMO
Heartbroken

Soulmagent · Jul 15, 2025

AngTxGal said:
This doesn’t tell the whole story-
How many feet into and below the 100 year flood plain were the buildings?
How many buildings were lost that were above the 100 year flood plain?

Giving meaning to the 100 flood plain line creates a sense of knowing that simply does not exist. The meaning of 100 year flood plain is not what people think it is. If the goal is to prevent future issues- something more must be done than looking a past maps.

What should have been present is a warning system, warnings heard, a known plan in case of emergency, and a road that was not under water to allow evacuation.

The idea that it was commonly known that camps were negligent in building near rivers doesn’t make any logical sense. State politicians have children that attend camps along the Guadalupe, and other rivers, and have for generations.
It isn’t logical to assume these politicians willingly sent their own children to camps they knew were unsafe. There must be more to to story.

IMO

Except they did really send kids into the flood plains.
Some of those cabins were 20 feet into a flood plain.

Soulmagent · Jul 15, 2025

airportwoman said:
I've probably already said this here, but I live in a riverside city that floods almost every year, and for more than 100 years, city planners have been trying to figure out how to deal with it.

Like, don't build in the flood plain, folks?

I think I would be happy to let any adult build where they want too, but putting OTHER peoples kids on the first 50 yards of a flood zone and calling it camp , is just not okay.

iamshadow21 · Jul 15, 2025

One bright spot in this whole awful thing.

Charlotte Huff didn't survive, but through reading her son's Facebook, it seems her dog did and was rescued by a member of the public. Charlotte's son is now reaching out to the individual who posted pics of the dog with his own photos to try and get him back.

iamshadow21 · Jul 15, 2025

Equal Justice Under Law · Jul 15, 2025

jillolantern said:
I would submit the whole game of flood maps is rigged. Spend 5 minutes looking at New Orleans. How does anyone build or live there? How does anyone get insurance? Blame whoever, it’s how it is and always has been. IMO

After Hurricane Sandy, FEMA redrew the flood zone maps for New York City's low-lying coastal areas. After howling from developers & the city zoning commission itself, FEMA amended the flood-zone maps to basically replicate the 1983 maps that permitted building (and not requiring flood insurance) in what were in effect flood zones. Like New Orleans, people are playing Russian roulette in places like Jamaica Bay.

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