Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[CarlK90245]

Another thing that catches my attention is that the ala of WCJD's nose (i.e., the outside of the nostril) is very long and narrow, just as Deborah's is. And, as Imentioned before, there is a very prominent notch above the tip of her nose.

Note that the side-view postmortem photo of WCJD has been poorly photo-shopped at the tip of the nose, so you can't tell the true shape of the tip of her nose from this photo.

 

[Indianagirl]

Wow, this is the closest match to WKJD I've seen. I'm curious if anyone is planning on contacting the detectives handling Deborah's case to see what they have to say?

 

[CarlK90245]

Wow, this is the closest match to WKJD I've seen. I'm curious if anyone is planning on contacting the detectives handling Deborah's case to see what they have to say?

I was thinking of doing that, but usually they keep these things close to the vest once the ball gets rolling. I suspect that all I would get is a "we've been contacted by TX authorities, and we are looking into it.

I think we'll know soon enough.

(Well, actually - not soon enough - I want to know now!!)

 

[CarlK90245]

Here's another close-up comparison of their mouths. Deborah's lower lip is unusual in that it is very cylindrical. It's thickness doesn't taper evenly toward the corners of her mouth. The closest comparison I can think of (and I hope that this doesn't sound too disrespectful) is that it's like a piece of Hot Tamales candy. And the crease under the lip is very sharp and close to the lip. I described it as "curled", but I think the common descriptive term is "pouty".

WCJD has the same cylindrical shape to her lower lip and the crease underneath it is similary close and sharp.

You can't compare their upper lips because WCJD's upper lip is too swollen. Also, her cheeks are swollen and discolored from lividity (as well as from the physical abuse inflicted on her prior to her death). It appears based on the lividity in her left cheek, that she must have been lying face down with her head turned slightly to her right.

 

[Indianagirl]

I was thinking of doing that, but usually they keep these things close to the vest once the ball gets rolling. I suspect that all I would get is a "we've been contacted by TX authorities, and we are looking into it.

I think we'll know soon enough.

(Well, actually - not soon enough - I want to know now!!)

Thanks for your reply! If someone did call, do you think there is any chance the detective working Deborah's case would share her dental info? Would that info be readily available in her case file? The reason I ask is becase her dental info isn't listed on namus but does indicate they have dentals for her. I'm just not sure how all that stuff works...

 

[CarlK90245]

Thanks for your reply! If someone did call, do you think there is any chance the detective working Deborah's case would share her dental info? Would that info be readily available in her case file?

You could give it a shot if you want. But as I said before, I suspect that they would probably not share that info, especially while they are in the process of doing the comparison. They wouldn't want anything to leak out and reach Deborah's family before they had a chance to do a tactful notification.

The reason I ask is becase her dental info isn't listed on namus but does indicate they have dentals for her. I'm just not sure how all that stuff works...

NamUs allows public access to dental charts for UID's only, not for missing persons.

 

[CarlK90245]

Today marks the 30th anniversary of Walker County Jane Doe's death.

Let's hope and pray that this is the last anniversary date that she remains nameless.

 

[KLCD620]

I come back to WS after 2 days away & catch up by scroll down unread messages. CARLK, I noticed your great photo of Halloween prison shirt & cap from 30 yr ago were removed from the post. Didn't the moderator deleted it due to inapproximate post?

 

[CarlK90245]

I come back to WS after 2 days away & catch up by scroll down unread messages. CARLK, I noticed your great photo of Halloween prison shirt & cap from 30 yr ago were removed from the post. Didn't the moderator deleted it due to inapproximate post?

When I posted it, I thought it was kind of an interesting side-note and a odd coincidence that others might find interesting. But I decided to ask Cubby to remove it because I started thinking that others might interpret it as a little too self-congratulatory. The thread should be about WCJD and any possibles. Not about me.

 

[believe09]

A dental ID can happen over night....why the wait I wonder if both have dental records on file? Anyone know what makes a legal ID in TX??? Usually it is DNA, dental, fingerprints etc...

 

[CarlK90245]

A dental ID can happen over night....why the wait I wonder if both have dental records on file? Anyone know what makes a legal ID in TX??? Usually it is DNA, dental, fingerprints etc...

It may have already been done, but if it is a match, they might want to make arrangements to notify the family.

If it is Deborah, they would probably want Lt. Perkins to fly to Illinois to be present when the family is notified so that he can explain the details of what happened to her. The Downer's Grove PD would not be as privy to the details of the case.

 

[CarlK90245]

I come back to WS after 2 days away & catch up by scroll down unread messages. CARLK, I noticed your great photo of Halloween prison shirt & cap from 30 yr ago were removed from the post. Didn't the moderator deleted it due to inapproximate post?

When I posted it, I thought it was kind of an interesting side-note and a odd coincidence that others might find interesting. But I decided to ask Cubby to remove it because I started thinking that others might interpret it as a little too self-congratulatory. The thread should be about WCJD and any possibles. Not about me.

In case anyone is interested, I reposted the photo in the blog section of my Public Profile page.

 

[Indianagirl]

If DNA is listed as "available" on doenetwork, does that mean it is in codis?

Deborah's DNA is listed as "available" on doenetwork and on namus the DNA status is listed as "Sample submitted - Tests complete". Would that mean it's in codis or just that they have DNA?

The reason I ask is because we know that WCJD has DNA in codis, and if Deborah's DNA is already in codis then that means if they were a match, codis would have already detected that automatically, correct?

 

[CarlK90245]

I know that DoeNet saya that she is in CODIS, but Lt. Perkins told me that WCJD is not in CODIS (or at least, not a mtDNA profile). IIRC, he said that University of North Texas is still working on a mtDNA profile.

The mtDNA profile is what would be necessary to compare to family members.

 

[taramarie]

Deborah McCall definitely looks promising.... I can't wait to hear! I want this poor girl to have her name back so badly. Thank you for everything you do, Carl!

 

[mia g]

Yes that is so true..I am on pins and needles waiting for u to hear back..

 

[mia g]

And this maybe exactly what is taking so long..I think it was in 89 or 99 that they exhaumed the body..and still the DNA has not been worked as of July 21 2010 when I was there.. he was gonna contact them about the DNA..even he did not know why it was taking so long..I am PRAYING that with such a good candidate for a possible match maybe they will step it up!!!

 

[mia g]

Had to laugh was looking for the link to the website I set up for WCJD(have changed puters and have to refind it) anywho someone questioning my ways of getting the info out about the website hence getting info out about our Jane doe.. made another site with some crude comments about my methods of advertising..BUT by doing so helpes the image of WCJD get spread farther online.. check out the link..

http://www.cavitieszine.com/walker-county-jane-doe/

 

[CarlK90245]

I just posted this one on the Caledonia Jane Doe thread, but she also fits fairly closely to Walker County Jane Doe.

Deborah A. McCall

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2975dfil.html

* Height is right.
* Age is right.
* She wore a yellow-gold necklace, just like WCJD.

ETA: I called it in to the Walker County Sheriff’s Office

I spoke with Lt. Perkins again. He has not yet taken the dental records to a forensic Odontologist, but he said that his gut impression is that WCJD is not Deborah McCall. He said that although he is not an expert in forensic odontology, he took a preliminary look at the dentals "to see if things matched up", and said that it didn't look to him like like a match.

He also said that she did very strongly resemble WCJD, but he feels pretty confident that WCJD was a little bit younger than 17.

He is, however, going to take the records to a Forensic Odontologist to get a positive ruling, and he will let me know when he does.

I've spent the last week absolutely certain that this was going to be a good match. But oh well, the search continues.

 

[CarlK90245]

I took down my recon when I put up the Debbie McCall comparison because I thought the official sketches looked more like Debbie McCall. But since Debbie is looking more doubtful (based on today's discussion with Lt. Perkins), I am putting my reconstruction back up for an alternative version of how WCJD may have looked in life.

I have put quite a bit of additional work into this since I first put it up on this thread, and I think it is much improved over what I had orginally posted. I also revised it to include the necklace and the scar next to her right eyebrow. This one has been quite difficult because (1) the three postmortem photos all look like three different people, and (2) her face was quite bruised and swollen and distorted from postmortem effects, and (3) the photos were of poor quality.