Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[Mensch]

No, JMHO.

The eyes look excessively elongated, and it appears to me to be a postmortem effect. Elongated eyes are interpreted by some as "asian".

I think I was clear about my reasons for what I said.

I was not clear. That is why I asked. I have read many autopsies where the ME or other forensic scientist explained the appearance of a particular image for various reasons. Some, because of swelling which stretches involved areas, foreign objects in wounds, etc. Just never heard the gravity/Asian one before. Thanks for taking the time to clarify opinion.

 

[Mensch]

mia,
Do you think it will be much longer before the possible matches get compared to this JD?

 

[carbuff]

No, JMHO.

The eyes look excessively elongated, and it appears to me to be a postmortem effect. Elongated eyes are interpreted by some as "asian".

I think I was clear about my reasons for what I said.

For me looking at the sketch, it's not just the slight slant of the eyes, it's also the small nose and the rather flat plane of her cheekbones. Nothing pronounced, but enough to make me wonder.

 

[mia g]

He really did not say when the taske force would get to meet again, and sadly he gets very little time to look at this case, we visited with him around 230pm. This was the 6th case he had dealt with by that time of day.. When the task force gets going better, I pray it will speed the investigation up some. The weirdest thing about all the timing here is.. the meeting that got delayed was suppose to have been on Tuesday..we were there Wednesday.. I just asked my son if he remembers Lt Perkins saying when they would meet and he thought they said next Thursday.. (I honestly dont remember if anytime was mentioned.) So I will try to contact him Fri or the following Monday. I also am anxious for him to call the agency that collected ehr DNA(I forgot the name he told me) but he did say he needed to call them again and see if her DNA had been worked up.. I would think surely in five years, but I have no idea how that stuff works. If it has not been ran yet, I hope also the task force lights a fire under them.

mia,
Do you think it will be much longer before the possible matches get compared to this JD?

 

[mia g]

Though I am grateful we have the photos, both the morgue ones and the drawing, we have to be very careful(IMHO).. The morgue one we must remember is very distorted due to bruising and swelling.. and the drawing is someones idea of what she may have looked like..

That is one reason I like the Creech girl, it is the hair that stands out to me. I have a feeling WCJD hair is very similiar to my own, in the natural wave. The morgue photos of her hair look almost identical to what mine does when it is wet and humid outside. And in the pic of the Creech girl it is wavy and thick..East Texas humidity really play havoc on that kind of hair. But there again I think that is another reason this girl grabbed my attention,on the side profile some of her characteristic resemble my own..It is weird as a whole the drawing looks nothing like me, but some how she reminds me of me!!! I truly think besids her being buried near my grandma, after finding her grave and looking her up and seeing the drawing, this is why she grabbed me.. (btw I would have been about 5 at the time she passed away and had just moved from Huntsville at the first of that year)

For me looking at the sketch, it's not just the slight slant of the eyes, it's also the small nose and the rather flat plane of her cheekbones. Nothing pronounced, but enough to make me wonder.

 

[mia g]

Here is some information that may or may not be relative..

November 1 1980 was a Saturday(which would have been visiting day for prisoners her name would have had to be on a list to visit but she may not haev known that)
So 10/31/1980 was a Friday..no visitation but she may have been expecting an inmate to be released..
Just throwing possible ideas around here
** I think inmates were all taken to an area in Huntsville On Sam Houston Blvd to be released to either make it or break it..or catch a bus at this time..I will call Huntsville tomorrow to check on this.. incidently if I am correct the area would have been about 2 miles from where WCJD was first sited..So I guess there is a possibility IF she were looking for an inmate to be released..and she knew the area they would release them in..possible the inmate did not show up?? So in theroy she wanted to go to where the inmate had been housed?? Things against this theroy are alot of businesses around the area where I know inmates use to be released.. liquor stores, check cashing places, and convience stores, the most well known is a Sonic.. In 1980 the area where WCJD is first sited was pretty much headed into the boonies..it is NOW more populated, but not so much then. So why she would leave the area of release where there are lots of busines to ask info from and head to a much less populated one is a mystery if in fact this theroy is in anyway correct.. but I can not even imagine what a 13-16 year old would have been thinking waundering Huntsville alone


I am gonna try and give a little better description of the area of the first siting after I look into some things to be sure I got my road names and such right.. , and dang I wish I had gotten pictures of the area around the Hitchin Post...


OH one more tiny bit of info... IF Lt Perkins was correct in saying the body was found aprox 1 mile from the Hitchin Post, she was found between mile marker 118 and 119.. I have seen someplaces mention Texas FM 1696.. that road is 4 miles form the area I mapped out yesterday.. I started watching my mileage in the Hitchin Post lot, and drove exactly one mile, and then got pictures about a quarter mile from tht point in both direaction. (yes we wondered up and down a very busy interstate, but I made sure we stayed in the grassy area and OFF the hw) Besides te culvert there are also 3 or 4 clumps of trees, not sure how big the trees would haev been in 1980, they are decen ized now. (as u will see in the pics as soon as I cna get my hands on them..lol) Srry to keep rambling, I just am trying to think of the smallest details of my journey yesterday that may help somewhere!

 

[mia g]

Have been very busy and have not got to work on anything on the case..Daughter got hit by semi right after my last post.. when I get caught up I will start making calls etc!!

 

[LotsaLatte]

Mia, I hope your daughter is okay! Thank you for your work on this case. I'd love to see this girl identified.

 

[carbuff]

Oh dear, I hope she's okay! Sorry I didn't see this sooner!

 

[mia g]

Ok at long last the pictures of the site they found her. Remember we photographed aprox a 1/2 mile area around where the Lt said her body was found.

1) The newest pic of her grave
2-4) the trees in between access road and I-45 in the area I was told she was found

 

[mia g]

Second set of pics.. Notice the culvert, I would imagine that was what whoever threw her meant to hit???

1. clump of trees
2. the culvert
3. an identfier
4.another of the culvert
5. another clump of trees

 

[CarlK90245]

I just posted this one on the Caledonia Jane Doe thread, but she also fits fairly closely to Walker County Jane Doe.

Deborah A. McCall

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2975dfil.html

* Height is right.
* Age is right.
* She wore a yellow-gold necklace, just like WCJD.

ETA: I called it in to the Walker County Sheriff’s Office

 

[carbuff]

I'm glad you called this one in, Carl. With that small nose and delicate nostrils, and the small chin, the resemblance is strong.

 

[CarlK90245]

I got a call back from Detective Charley Perkins. He was very friendly, and thanked me for my tip.

He looked at the photo, and said that the girl does very closely resemble WCJD, particularly her "winged-back" hairstyle. I added that her forward-view photo very closely resembles the forward-view drawing, and she has a small chin, curled lower lip and notch above the tip of the nose, very similar to the side-view photo and drawing.

I also mentioned that Her height was right, and that the description indicates that she wore a gold necklace.

I said that her age of 17 years gave me a little pause. He said that their forensic anthropologist estimated her age at 14 1/2 to 16 1/2, but 17 is not too far outside of that range.

Regarding WCJD, he said that they exhumed her remains a while back, but she still has not been put into CODIS.

He asked me if I was a DoeNetwork member. I said no, that I work informally with a bulletin board group called Websleuths, and that the other members and I have spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out who she was. I mentioned to that one of our members (i.e., Mia) met with him a couple of months back, and has provided us with quite a bit of information regarding this case, including photos of the area and lists of who they have looked at. He said he recalled that meeting, saying "oh yeah, I remember she came into the station asking for me, and we went over the case."

He thanked me for my call, and said that he would get back with me to let me know what he finds out.

 

[mia g]

Even I see the resemblence and that is what makes this sleuthing hard on me..is I have trouble seeing the resemblences..lol I wonder if you also reported to the Dover are the resemblence if that would speed up the possible id?? I wish Namus had Deborah's dental info posted as they do the WCJD.. so we could see if that matched also.. It say they have her dental, but not a description of it. I can not wiat for my Ka to get home and see the pic..

Oh and yes Lt Perkins is a relaly nice guy..

 

[CarlK90245]

Even I see the resemblence and that is what makes this sleuthing hard on me..is I have trouble seeing the resemblences..lol I wonder if you also reported to the Dover are the resemblence if that would speed up the possible id?? I wish Namus had Deborah's dental info posted as they do the WCJD.. so we could see if that matched also.. It say they have her dental, but not a description of it. I can not wiat for my Ka to get home and see the pic..

Oh and yes Lt Perkins is a relaly nice guy..

Lt. Perkins said that they have dentals, but he would rather have any dental comparisons performed by a Forensic Odontologist. DoeNet says that Deborah has dentals available, so I don't suspect that it will take very long.

She was already ruled out against Caledonia Jane Doe. I wonder if that was on dentals or DNA.

 

[mia g]

Yes I have the dental info on WCJD.. that was why I was wishing I knew if Deborah had any fillings!?!? alos wish we had a better description of necklace Deborah wore.. Oh well as they say if wishes were horses...... cant wait to hear back..cause as I said even I see the resemblence..lol

 

[mia g]

Also another similarity..WCJD is reported to have hazel eyes..Deborah grey..very often people with hazel eyes appear grey

 

[CarlK90245]

Yes I have the dental info on WCJD.. that was why I was wishing I knew if Deborah had any fillings!?!?

According to NamUs, WCJD has three teeth with fillings. All three filled teeth are first-molars (i.e., the molars furthest to the front) -- upper right, and the lowers on both sides. All other teeth including wisdom teeth (and her upper-left first molar) are present and unaltered.

https://identifyus.org/cases/4630

If this is true that she had wisdom teeth present, it would seem to suggest that she was at the upper end of the estimated 14-16 age range, because wisdom teeth typically appear between the ages of 17 and 21.

ETA: NamUs has her age range at 14-18.

 

[CarlK90245]

Here's Deborah McCall's NamUs page, and a much clearer view of the two photos:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/8253/214

I wish I could see her ears or her necklace.