Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[Wonder123]

Thoughts about Kimberly King? The WCJD PM photos resemble her. Kimberly had distinct teeth, it sounds like, so dentals should be easy for elimination - if anyone here has access.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2544/9/

 

[zelda_s]

Thoughts about Kimberly King? The WCJD PM photos resemble her. Kimberly had distinct teeth, it sounds like, so dentals should be easy for elimination - if anyone here has access.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2544/9/

As far as I know, WCJD had very straight teeth in good shape, and no gap in them. I think that would rule her out, but of course I can't say for certain.

 

[carbuff]

Peg-shaped tooth? Doesn't one of our other UID's have a peg-shaped tooth?

 

[sloane7777]

peg-shaped tooth? Doesn't one of our other uid's have a peg-shaped tooth?

yes!!!! Yes but now ill have to start reading but i do remember seeing that!!!!!!

 

[Wonder123]

Peg-shaped tooth? Doesn't one of our other UID's have a peg-shaped tooth?

I did a quick search and it looks like Corona Doe had 2 peg shaped teeth http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-17-21-Possible-H-L-Lucas-victim-Dec-81/page2

 

[cvaldez1975]

I don't think my mom knew until she tried to help me nurse my first child. I know my mom and sisters do not have flat nipples, but idk if aunts or grandmothers on up had... And k have no idea about my father's side.

That is very interesting! Thank you both Zelda and Cvaldez!
I would think a mother would know if her daughter had an inverted nipple. Unless it didn't become inverted until puberty? I really don't know.
Also is it hereditary?


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[Springrain]

FWIW: According to Google, inverted nipples are often hereditary.

 

[zelda_s]

I'm wondering if Ruthie did have a missing persons report filed but it was purged from the system once she was no longer a minor, and of there's any way to find out anything about discarded cases. I doubt there is, though.

 

[Springrain]

Still no response as to whether she could be Mary Louise Day.
I lean towards her not being Ruthie, but I have no way to prove that. Better safe than sorry.

Anyhow, I believe Ruthie's report was purged (if she is not Mary). I'd guess she was reported and was a minor, but from a different state. That would explain why there would be no match, communication between different states used to be poor. Then it was purged by the time the communication got better.

 

[zelda_s]

Still no response as to whether she could be Mary Louise Day.
I lean towards her not being Ruthie, but I have no way to prove that. Better safe than sorry.

Anyhow, I believe Ruthie's report was purged (if she is not Mary). I'd guess she was reported and was a minor, but from a different state. That would explain why there would be no match, communication between different states used to be poor. Then it was purged by the time the communication got better.

Does Mary have DNA in codis? If she does, it may have been an automatic ruleout, hence why you heard nothing.

I think that the possibility that the case was purged makes it even more important that we appeal to the public for help with this case. It worked with Holly Glynn and Janice Young so it could help our Ruthie too.

 

[Springrain]

Does Mary have DNA in codis? If she does, it may have been an automatic ruleout, hence why you heard nothing.

I think that the possibility that the case was purged makes it even more important that we appeal to the public for help with this case. It worked with Holly Glynn and Janice Young so it could help our Ruthie too.

Double-checked and she DOES have DNA. For whatever reason, I had it in my mind that she didn't.

I agree it seems to have been purged. She was well cared-for, so somebody had to miss her.

 

[zelda_s]

Double-checked and she DOES have DNA. For whatever reason, I had it in my mind that she didn't.

I agree it seems to have been purged. She was well cared-for, so somebody had to miss her.

I suppose it depends what kind of DNA. Mitochondrial... Nuclear... I've never been good with science so I'll leave the experts to that

thats the thing that surprises me. She's been described as 'well nourished' before on certain websites. Ruthie was definitely being looked after and fed well, so I don't think anyone forgot about her. The care everyone on this site puts into these cases is tremendous.

 

[Springrain]

I suppose it depends what kind of DNA. Mitochondrial... Nuclear... I've never been good with science so I'll leave the experts to that

thats the thing that surprises me. She's been described as 'well nourished' before on certain websites. Ruthie was definitely being looked after and fed well, so I don't think anyone forgot about her. The care everyone on this site puts into these cases is tremendous.

Yeah, the DNA can be confusing. Before 2013 I think it was, they had the DNA types available listed on NamUs. They don't anymore.

But I do know that Ruthie has both mtDNA and nucDNA in CODIS, so I think it would be a rule-out.

 

[AddysMom7610]

I wish we could input her DNA into ancestry and see if any close matches pop up. I would be willing to trace the ancestry backwards to find her parents if she was linked to a third or even fourth cousin.


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[Springrain]

I wish we could input her DNA into ancestry and see if any close matches pop up. I would be willing to trace the ancestry backwards to find her parents if she was linked to a third or even fourth cousin.


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That's such a nice thought, but they can't do that with the form her DNA is in.

 

[zelda_s]

I really wish isotope analysis was done. I know it's really expensive but it could really help.

 

[zelda_s]

Another thing just sprang to mind. Sorry to discuss something so graphic, but I recall in one news article about this case that panties and or pantyhose had been forced inside of WCJD to stop her bleeding after being sexually assaulted. I wonder if they got any DNA from that? Or could trace which store / where the panties were bought.

It it really makes me sick to think some monster could do such a thing to a little girl. It doesn't bear thinking about.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=6658 3rd article down mentions the panties and pantyhose.

 

[Springrain]

Another thing just sprang to mind. Sorry to discuss something so graphic, but I recall in one news article about this case that panties and or pantyhose had been forced inside of WCJD to stop her bleeding after being sexually assaulted. I wonder if they got any DNA from that? Or could trace which store / where the panties were bought.

It it really makes me sick to think some monster could do such a thing to a little girl. It doesn't bear thinking about.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=6658 3rd article down mentions the panties and pantyhose.

Apparently, they still have the sandals, and, according to NFM, they may/may not have obtained her killer's DNA from it. (LE will not publicly release whether they did or not).

As for tracing the location. I think it'd be worth a shot, though lots of panties are widely distributed in packs. Still worth a try, of course--anything to bring her home.

Also agree about the isotope analysis. I really, really, truly hope they do that soon. She could have been from pretty much anywhere, and it would be a good way to narrow it down. It's expensive, but it will definitely push the case forward.

Could they have test her hair, maybe, to trace for pollen? They did that with Tammy Jo Alexander only with her clothes. Though I assume hair would decompose by now, I'm no biology expert.

 

[carbuff]

That's a good idea. They'd be likely to have better luck with the sandals than with the hair. They'd have lots of cracks and such for pollen to get stuck in.

 

[zelda_s]

I'm just wondering about this case... Are investigators, LE, etc, positive that the girl seen at the truck stop asking for directions to the prison is the same girl as the doe? Could she just have resembled a different girl?

Also, I was thinking to myself that maybe this girl was killed by an abusive family member. She may have run away to be with someone in the prison whom she thought would save her from her abusive family. However the family member caught up with her and killed her. Did not leave biological evidence as to not be linked to the crime. No missing persons reports were filed.