Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[Springrain]

Yeah, exactly. And many of the cases that were properly reported were simply allowed to age out of the system, or records were lost in archives or purged after a certain number of years.

Another thing that happened in many states is that a person who was under 18 when reported missing was removed from the system after 18 or sometimes 21, when they became an adult. In those states all juvenile records must be removed and destroyed.

That is terrible, and so sad. This is the main reason I find it so important for the media to discuss UIDs, and how reports were destroyed. It seems most of them may not know the file is inactive, like Tammy's family.

 

[zelda_s]

Just wanted to give my 2 cents about something - the inverted nipple makes me definitely think she is at the lower end of the age range. In puberty, female bodies change a great deal. Inverted nipples often correct themselves as young women finish puberty , around 18-20. For some women it does not correct itself until childbirth. I know that these are not hard and fast rules, but they make me think Ruthie was likely only about 14.

 

[AddysMom7610]

Wow that's a great point, Zelda. Of course, why would only one be inverted and not both?


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[zelda_s]

Wow that's a great point, Zelda. Of course, why would only one be inverted and not both?


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Thank you

I suppose one had corrected and the other was in the process of doing so. But it's hard to tell. So many strange questions. I was also thinking that the inverted nipple may allow a romantic partner to identify her, but of course, she's likely too young to have engaged in such activities.

 

[cvaldez1975]

idk but I have one inverted nipple, and I am 40 and have breast fed 3 children.

Wow that's a great point, Zelda. Of course, why would only one be inverted and not both?


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[AddysMom7610]

That is very interesting! Thank you both Zelda and Cvaldez!
I would think a mother would know if her daughter had an inverted nipple. Unless it didn't become inverted until puberty? I really don't know.
Also is it hereditary?


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[Wonder123]

Thoughts about Kimberly King? The WCJD PM photos resemble her. Kimberly had distinct teeth, it sounds like, so dentals should be easy for elimination - if anyone here has access.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2544/9/

 

[zelda_s]

Thoughts about Kimberly King? The WCJD PM photos resemble her. Kimberly had distinct teeth, it sounds like, so dentals should be easy for elimination - if anyone here has access.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2544/9/

As far as I know, WCJD had very straight teeth in good shape, and no gap in them. I think that would rule her out, but of course I can't say for certain.

 

[carbuff]

Peg-shaped tooth? Doesn't one of our other UID's have a peg-shaped tooth?

 

[sloane7777]

peg-shaped tooth? Doesn't one of our other uid's have a peg-shaped tooth?

yes!!!! Yes but now ill have to start reading but i do remember seeing that!!!!!!

 

[Wonder123]

Peg-shaped tooth? Doesn't one of our other UID's have a peg-shaped tooth?

I did a quick search and it looks like Corona Doe had 2 peg shaped teeth http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-17-21-Possible-H-L-Lucas-victim-Dec-81/page2

 

[cvaldez1975]

I don't think my mom knew until she tried to help me nurse my first child. I know my mom and sisters do not have flat nipples, but idk if aunts or grandmothers on up had... And k have no idea about my father's side.

That is very interesting! Thank you both Zelda and Cvaldez!
I would think a mother would know if her daughter had an inverted nipple. Unless it didn't become inverted until puberty? I really don't know.
Also is it hereditary?


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[Springrain]

FWIW: According to Google, inverted nipples are often hereditary.

 

[zelda_s]

I'm wondering if Ruthie did have a missing persons report filed but it was purged from the system once she was no longer a minor, and of there's any way to find out anything about discarded cases. I doubt there is, though.

 

[Springrain]

Still no response as to whether she could be Mary Louise Day.
I lean towards her not being Ruthie, but I have no way to prove that. Better safe than sorry.

Anyhow, I believe Ruthie's report was purged (if she is not Mary). I'd guess she was reported and was a minor, but from a different state. That would explain why there would be no match, communication between different states used to be poor. Then it was purged by the time the communication got better.

 

[zelda_s]

Still no response as to whether she could be Mary Louise Day.
I lean towards her not being Ruthie, but I have no way to prove that. Better safe than sorry.

Anyhow, I believe Ruthie's report was purged (if she is not Mary). I'd guess she was reported and was a minor, but from a different state. That would explain why there would be no match, communication between different states used to be poor. Then it was purged by the time the communication got better.

Does Mary have DNA in codis? If she does, it may have been an automatic ruleout, hence why you heard nothing.

I think that the possibility that the case was purged makes it even more important that we appeal to the public for help with this case. It worked with Holly Glynn and Janice Young so it could help our Ruthie too.

 

[Springrain]

Does Mary have DNA in codis? If she does, it may have been an automatic ruleout, hence why you heard nothing.

I think that the possibility that the case was purged makes it even more important that we appeal to the public for help with this case. It worked with Holly Glynn and Janice Young so it could help our Ruthie too.

Double-checked and she DOES have DNA. For whatever reason, I had it in my mind that she didn't.

I agree it seems to have been purged. She was well cared-for, so somebody had to miss her.

 

[zelda_s]

Double-checked and she DOES have DNA. For whatever reason, I had it in my mind that she didn't.

I agree it seems to have been purged. She was well cared-for, so somebody had to miss her.

I suppose it depends what kind of DNA. Mitochondrial... Nuclear... I've never been good with science so I'll leave the experts to that

thats the thing that surprises me. She's been described as 'well nourished' before on certain websites. Ruthie was definitely being looked after and fed well, so I don't think anyone forgot about her. The care everyone on this site puts into these cases is tremendous.

 

[Springrain]

I suppose it depends what kind of DNA. Mitochondrial... Nuclear... I've never been good with science so I'll leave the experts to that

thats the thing that surprises me. She's been described as 'well nourished' before on certain websites. Ruthie was definitely being looked after and fed well, so I don't think anyone forgot about her. The care everyone on this site puts into these cases is tremendous.

Yeah, the DNA can be confusing. Before 2013 I think it was, they had the DNA types available listed on NamUs. They don't anymore.

But I do know that Ruthie has both mtDNA and nucDNA in CODIS, so I think it would be a rule-out.

 

[AddysMom7610]

I wish we could input her DNA into ancestry and see if any close matches pop up. I would be willing to trace the ancestry backwards to find her parents if she was linked to a third or even fourth cousin.


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