Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[aThousandYearsWide]

So I stumbled upon the Wikipedia for WCJD, and it mentioned JD having an inverted nipple. I've never heard that anywhere else. I know Wikipedia is able to be edited by users, so is that just false info someone posted or did I miss this info somewhere? It probably doesn't matter, but I just don't want to read into false info. Even if she was reported missing, (I don't think she was) I don't believe it would be a piece of info mentioned.

I noticed that too which I didn't really see it anywhere else. What an inverted nipple tells me IMO is she is on the younger age scale. I don't think it's something genetic or anything, but more due to her body maturing/growing. Another UID that has been identified had the same thing and she was 15 years old.

 

[CarlK90245]

So I stumbled upon the Wikipedia for WCJD, and it mentioned JD having an inverted nipple. I've never heard that anywhere else. I know Wikipedia is able to be edited by users, so is that just false info someone posted or did I miss this info somewhere? It probably doesn't matter, but I just don't want to read into false info. Even if she was reported missing, (I don't think she was) I don't believe it would be a piece of info mentioned.

That is accurate info. The bit about the inverted nipple appeared in a press article a year or two ago.

 

[cvaldez1975]

not really. he was from texas and a trucker as was her killer most likely.

and also rhoades kept his later victims alive but this would have been an early one. maybe he progressed.

either way its also possible to me that it was another killer as well.

Yeah... trying to pin it on Rhoades is kind of like how every story about fast food legends attaches itself to McDonalds, every talk show story attaches itself to Johnny Carson or Jay Leno... and every attractive young woman was almost kidnapped by Ted Bundy or almost killed by Charles Manson.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I have an inverted nipple, and im 42 years old and have EBF three children. nevertheless I think shes a young teen as well.

I noticed that too which I didn't really see it anywhere else. What an inverted nipple tells me IMO is she is on the younger age scale. I don't think it's something genetic or anything, but more due to her body maturing/growing. Another UID that has been identified had the same thing and she was 15 years old.

 

[LucyOso]

So I stumbled upon the Wikipedia for WCJD, and it mentioned JD having an inverted nipple. I've never heard that anywhere else. I know Wikipedia is able to be edited by users, so is that just false info someone posted or did I miss this info somewhere? It probably doesn't matter, but I just don't want to read into false info. Even if she was reported missing, (I don't think she was) I don't believe it would be a piece of info mentioned.

Inverted Nipples are pretty common. 10-20% of woman have them to a degree. It is not usually age related, but puberty can cause it at times. It can be familial or just due to multiple things. If it occurs later in life, it could be cancerous. The only time it would be an issue is for cosmetics or breastfeeding (at times). But, if she was bullied or taunted school, during showers at PE or swimming when other girls saw it , it could deeply impact her self-esteem. And, sadly, this could place her in dangerous situations with people if she was seeking acceptance, to be loved, or feel safe. Really, if a close family member, close friend, or school mate was wondering what ever happened to so-and-so, this could be a good marker for them to make an identification. But, it won't isolate a population we can focus on. IMOO

 

[Peppered_peach]

Thanks for all the info everyone!

 

[Vital Forces]

Has anyone tried searching birth announcements in newspapers from 1966 Corpus Christi for Kathleen/Cathy? Online or in a library?

 

[WalkingTheCow]

Some people have had luck getting the detective to talk about the case, but I guess it depends on who you talk to, and what kind of mood they are in. I don't think you would be able to get info on the case from the courthouse. It is still an open case, so you can't get any info on the case via FOIA.



The Addicks Addition to the cemetery is at the corner of 9th Street and Martin Luther King Drive. There isn't a prison across the street. The Huntsville Unit (AKA the "Walls Unit") where all of the Death Row executions take place is a few blocks away (on 12th Street and Avenue I)

I think I'll definitely go up there and have a look around the town and the various places again. I don't know about talking to anyone about it, I'm a bit shy and wouldn't really know where to begin.

And yeah, I got to visit the Walls Unit and the cemetery is like a 30 second drive away. I suppose that qualifies as across the street here in Texas. Sam Houston is buried there too, I believe.

 

[CarlK90245]

Sam Houston is buried there too, I believe.

Yes, but the portion of the cemetery where Sam Houston is buried is across the street (MLK Ave) from where WCJD is.

 

[WalkingTheCow]

So I've decided to type up what is known about Robert Ben Rhoades, and the reasons why he could and could not be the possible culprit here. Unfortunately, there isn't much information out there about him. I will also include my own opinions. Feel free to add anything you'd like. Of course, this doesn't mean he is guilty.

What we know-
He was a trucker.
Lived in Houston.
He killed at least four (likely more).
His killings began (according to him) around 1975. The first murder we know of was 1989.
Killed both males and females (primarily targeted females).
His victims were primarily runaways, hitchhikers, and prostitutes.
The youngest victim we know of was 14.
He was a sexual sadist and active in the BDSM community.
His crimes involved torture.
He both shot and strangled victims.
He kept his victims for an extremely long period of time.
He pestered the victims families after a murder.
Cut his victims hair, and took their clothing.

Reasons why it could be him-
Houston is very close to Huntsville.
He was a trucker. Walker County Jane Doe was spotted at a truck stop.
He had the ability to isolate her to commit the crime in his cab.
He picked on runaways and hitchhikers.
She was tortured before her death.
Her clothes were taken.
She was strangled.

Reasons that are against Rhoades' involvement-
Walker County Jane Doe was killed and her body discovered within a day. Rhoades tended to keep his victims alive for an extended period of time (hair growth was used by police to determine the length of time one of his captives was held, which seems to suggest to me that it was at least a month).
One of Rhoades's trademarks was that he cut his victims hair. Walker County Jane Doe had her hair.

In my opinion, the fact that she was killed and discovered so quickly doesn't mean too much. If it was indeed Rhoades, he could simply have had a different truck at the time, or perhaps his torture chamber came along a few years later when he had the money to furnish it. One take on this case I've seen is that the fact she was assaulted with an object (and the fact there was no offender evidence) suggests that the offender was female. However, given Rhoades's background in BDSM, it seems just as likely that Rhoades would use an object on her and not his own body. I think it would be really interesting if we could get a hold of his trucking logs for 1980. Ultimately, I wish he was doing his time here in Texas. I would like the Texas Rangers to get a crack at interrogating him. And I also wish he didn't get that plea deal for extra life sentences.

 

[sunnynz]

Has anyone tried searching birth announcements in newspapers from 1966 Corpus Christi for Kathleen/Cathy? Online or in a library?

This is a great idea if anyone has the time and tenacity.

 

[MOTORUNNER]

I found a photo in a yearbook that actually looks somewhat similar to "Kathleen" but she is a sophomore. Kathleen was said to have been 14, so probably not even a freshman? (If she attended school)

 

[malaika]

I found a photo in a yearbook that actually looks somewhat similar to "Kathleen" but she is a sophomore. Kathleen was said to have been 14, so probably not even a freshman? (If she attended school)

No harm in pursuing it-

 

[LucyOso]

I found a photo in a yearbook that actually looks somewhat similar to "Kathleen" but she is a sophomore. Kathleen was said to have been 14, so probably not even a freshman? (If she attended school)

9th graders can be 13-15 years old. 10th could be 14-16, 11th could be 15-18, 12th 16-19 (even 20). There are so many reasons why someone might be older and or younger than students in their class. If she looks similar its worth looking at.

 

[MOTORUNNER]

She doesn't look to me like the Kathy in the motel. Looks similar to WCJD, but not similar enough, IMO.

Deleted OP because I did find her in a senior yearbook. I didn't see it at first but after doing some digging I did find her. So nevermind!!!

 

[zeldazonk1976]

Vital, I've actually compiled an Excel sheet of birth records of "Kathleens/Cathleens/Kathys/Cathys" from around Aransas Pass and Rockport who were born between 59 and 68. I have full access to Ancestry.com, and I decided to look into our girl when I felt burned out from genealogical research. Of course these records are only as helpful as they are correct/actually documented, but I figured it doesn't hurt compiling the info anyway. I have a newspapers.com account, but unfortunately, I only have full access to Iowa newspapers, not Texas.

Do you have an email address where I can send this? Anyone else who may be interested?

 

[Owutatangledweb]

BBM

Just looked at the map again. The route from the Hitchin' Post to the prison would not take her past Sam Houston State University (I revised my comment above). It would take her up University Drive, but the University would be well-south of that.

But nevertheless, my point still stands that her first hour of walking along that route would be thorugh a well-populated area. Especially on Halloween night. And any supposed attack against her (if along that route) would have had to have been after she got out of city limits. At that point, the likelihood of the killer returning through town to dump her body on I-45 would not be a likely scenario.

Could she have been snatched by a drunk student(s) in town and then there was panick and they dumped her outside town off the highway? Was this a beer bottle? Was it 3.2 beer? It was Halloween in a college town right?

Don't know if I'm missing some facts here or if this has ever been discussed before.

 

[CarlK90245]

Could she have been snatched by a drunk student(s) in town and then there was panick and they dumped her outside town off the highway? Was this a beer bottle? Was it 3.2 beer? It was Halloween in a college town right?

Don't know if I'm missing some facts here or if this has ever been discussed before.

If she was picked up while walking through town, someone would have had to take her somewhere to commit the crime. A crime that brutal could not have occurred out in the open, and then when it comes time to dump her body, she would have to be loaded into a vehicle..

And you still have to remember that she was not dragged into position. She was thrown. Although the exact position in which she was found was not disclosed, they say her body was in a notably unnatural position that suggested that she tumbled into the spot that she was found. I was told that the position is not one someone would end up in from being thrown from the low height of a car seat or even a pickup seat. It was likely from the high point of a semi-truck cab.

 

[Peppered_peach]

If she was picked up while walking through town, someone would have had to take her somewhere to commit the crime. A crime that brutal could not have occurred out in the open, and then when it comes time to dump her body, she would have to be loaded into a vehicle..

And you still have to remember that she was not dragged into position. She was thrown. Although the exact position in which she was found was not disclosed, they say her body was in a notably unnatural position that suggested that she tumbled into the spot that she was found. I was told that the position is not one someone would end up in from being thrown from the low height of a car seat or even a pickup seat. It was likely from the high point of a semi-truck cab.

From what I gather from your youtube video of the dump site, I-45 is a well traveled road in the daytime. Is this true for night time traffic as well?

Do they think the truck was moving when she was dumped?
If so were there two people involved?
IMO it seems difficult to keep the truck on the road, open the door and throw a 110-120lb girl out the door without help.

 

[Nancy Drew RN]

From what I gather from your youtube video of the dump site, I-45 is a well traveled road in the daytime. Is this true for night time traffic as well?

Do they think the truck was moving when she was dumped?
If so were there two people involved?
IMO it seems difficult to keep the truck on the road, open the door and throw a 110-120lb girl out the door without help.

From what I gather from your youtube video of the dump site, I-45 is a well traveled road in the daytime. Is this true for night time traffic as well?

Do they think the truck was moving when she was dumped?
If so were there two people involved?
IMO it seems difficult to keep the truck on the road, open the door and throw a 110-120lb girl out the door without help.

If I'm remembering the photos of the scene, the culvert appeared quite a ways below the level of the road. I believe with some effort she could've potentially been thrown down from the road itself, with momentum causing her to roll slightly from where she initially hit. My concern about the potential of throwing from a semi is that I think it would be very awkward to maneuver and balance while picking up and throwing even a small girl/woman--I think you would be likely to lose your balance and fall yourself, or not have enough room to swing her out. Disclaimer: I've not been in a semi and don't really know how much room there would be for the mechanics of this. It would be helpful to know if other trucker killers had done so successfully.