Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[carbuff]

For what its worth, there was no Asian population to speak of in 1980 in or around Walker county. In the early eighty Montgomery county (borders on Walker Co) built a new jail and Administration facility. They obtained a contract from the Federal Government to house the growing population of Hispanics entering the county from Houston (to the south) and they were undocumented and clearly Mexican. Surely the people at the cafe who saw this Jane Doe would have commented on ethnicity as she would certainly have stood out as being an "outsider" so to speak. I just don't see it either

Maybe not in Walker County itself, but what about all the Vietnamese fishermen/refugees after the fall of Saigon? I thought many of them settled along the Texas coast and took up shrimping.

 

[Mensch]

Maybe not in Walker County itself, but what about all the Vietnamese fishermen/refugees after the fall of Saigon? I thought many of them settled along the Texas coast and took up shrimping.

You may be right as there was at that time a large Asian population just to the south in Houston. My point in mentioning either the Hispanics or Asians is that since they were not a community there, surely someone there would have made mention of her possible ethnicity.

 

[Mensch]

If I remember right Lt Perkins just got the case on 2005!!! So he wouldnt have been there for the autopsy. It was something about the shape of her eyes, that lead him to that conclusion

Maybe he could read the conclusion of the coroner? There is no way any of us can know other than what we get from LE,witnesses and more importantly the coroner.:twocents:

 

[carbuff]

You may be right as there was at that time a large Asian population just to the south in Houston. My point in mentioning either the Hispanics or Asians is that since they were not a community there, surely someone there would have made mention of her possible ethnicity.

You would think so -- but sometimes it's surprising what people miss. Or what nobody thought to mention, or what somebody forgot to write down, or what was never made public. Spouse and I traveled for almost three weeks in Australia a few years back and because our accents aren't what you see on TV news and in the movies, nobody recognized us as American. They knew we weren't local, but they thought we were from other parts of Australia; if we had disappeared and somebody had come looking for the missing Americans, they would most likely have said they hadn't seen us.

My only point was that since she hasn't been identified, maybe looking at some less likely interpretations might open up some new possibilities.

p.s. and I don't in any way mean to criticize anybody else's approach. It was just something I wondered about.

 

[Mensch]

carbuff, you make a very valid point. I just left the NamUS site while researching a b/f. She is by any reasonable assumption a black or African American female. If any of you have time check out NYC and how the coroner has the black victims, male and female posted as white. If I limited my search to black only and did not check with what that coroner is describing as "white", then I am totally wasting my time.

I think all of these cases could use a fresh perspective. What are the chances of getting comments from the coroner's office on this Jane Doe? If they had knowledge of the assumptions being made perhaps they could clear it up?

 

[taramarie]

Carl,

I know LE seems to think that based on a preliminary check, Deborah McCall and Walker County is not the same girl, however, a new photo of Deborah was added to Charley today and I just can't shake the feeling that they are. Any further word from your contact?

Here's the link to Deborah's profile with the new photo:

http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mccall_deborah.html

 

[CarlK90245]

Carl,

I know LE seems to think that based on a preliminary check, Deborah McCall and Walker County is not the same girl, however, a new photo of Deborah was added to Charley today and I just can't shake the feeling that they are. Any further word from your contact?

Here's the link to Deborah's profile with the new photo:

http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mccall_deborah.html

I saw that yesterday and now, I'm not so sure.

Unfortunately, in this photo (like the other forward-view photo), her hair covers the end of her right eyebrow, so you can't see whether she has a vertical scar there.

ETA: I tried calling him, but he wasn't in the office. I'll try again in a day or two.

 

[lieber32]

I saw that yesterday and now, I'm not so sure.

Unfortunately, in this photo (like the other forward-view photo), her hair covers the end of her right eyebrow, so you can't see whether she has a vertical scar there.

ETA: I tried calling him, but he wasn't in the office. I'll try again in a day or two.

When I saw this admission I agreed that is was very strong. I too wondered what the rule out was. I hope it was on DNA, because if they are only looking at georgraphics (my mom and me are from Central Il. and my mom ran away to Texas twice once when thirteen, and my grandma had to fetch her). This was in the 60's so it is probrably easier to get from Illinois to Texas when McCall went missing. My grandma has mentioned it several times, not sure why she ran away will mention it at some point (my family is German and very frank). I do know that my grandma's side has some relatives in Texas but still thats a long way to go. Also I went to highschool with a girl that had slanted eyes (I attended a rural school in central Il with a largely German population) and kids used to joke about it. By the way the joking was done in playful way (the girl was well liked) no evidence she was of Asian decent and being it was a small community that would have probrably been aparent. One of my best friends that I meet in College is from Vietnam, moved to Chicago when sixteen and she does not have slanted eyes.

 

[taramarie]

This case truly gets to me. I have been googling terms like "missing sister 1980" or "missing daughter 1979" for the past few days and sifting through all of the links to no avail. I'm pulling at straws hoping that someone missing this little girl may have posted an entry to some sort of forum.

More than likely, this girl is not on Charley, Doe or Namus. I still find it hard to believe that such a well-taken care of girl would not be missed by someone. I think I've read somewhere that a lot of missing persons reports were purged from the systems in the 80's. Is this true and why? Or something like Bambi Lynn Dick who was reported missing by her family, but was purged from the system when she turned 18 even though she was still missing?

I feel as though someone, somewhere is wondering where this girl is. They have to be. Maybe they think there is a missing persons report (even though it may have been purged) and they don't know how to use the internet (I know it scares a lot of older people - my mother is only in her 50's and can barely check her email, let alone do some sort of deep search).

Considering the above, can anyone think of any other search tactics? Thoughts?

 

[CarlK90245]

The bit about where she said "who cares" when asked if her parents knew where she was suggests that she might have been from an abusive family or maybe a foster home or institutional setting.

When a child runs away from an institiutional facility, the people running the facility might report them missing, but they aren't as emotionally vested in finding the child, and especially once they turn 18, there is no interest in getting them back.

 

[Angie4b1g]

"who cares" says to me that she was angry with them or something. As if she didn't care if they were worried about her or not. Although that could apply to an abusive/foster situation as well. My guess would be that she was semi-local, and it was her boyfriend she was going to visit in jail. Someone her parents didn't want her associating with, so she ran away to go visit him. Perhaps an older boyfriend, who wasn't as serious about her as she was about him. He may not have even known she was planning on coming. Its possible he denied knowing her when shown the picture just to avoid getting involved.

All purely speculation of course.

 

[CarlK90245]

... Perhaps an older boyfriend, who wasn't as serious about her as she was about him. He may not have even known she was planning on coming. Its possible he denied knowing her when shown the picture just to avoid getting involved.

All purely speculation of course.

My thinking is that if he was incarcerated, and had any hopes of someday getting out, he wasn't about to admit that he had been having sexual relations with a 14-15 year old girl.

 

[Angie4b1g]

Another good point! I'd peg this guy around 20-22 years old.

 

[Hope32]

Posted: Jul 22, 2010 - 07:25 PM

A list of rule outs
Kristy Lynn Booth
Diane Gueze Dye
Rachel Elizabeth Garden
Corrine Anita Hagler
Gina Renee Hall
Adrea Laderoute (located deceased)
Angela Mae Meeker
Cecile Frances Moch
Sophia Felicita Moreno
Jane Lousie Puckett
Lauren Ann Rahn
Emma Lorene Vaughn

Unable to confirm or eliminate
Melinda Karen Creech
Brenda Crowley
Carol Elaine Donn
Kimberely Ann Kahler
Lori Jean Lloyd
Michelle Meredith Mulcahy
Deborah Quimby

I don't know if you guys got a list of rule outs. But I found this on http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=6658

it's alittle dated but I'll check the NAMUS and see if there are any others.

ETA: On Namus they only have Debroah McCall as a rule out.

 

[KLCD620]

"who cares" says to me that she was angry with them or something. As if she didn't care if they were worried about her or not. Although that could apply to an abusive/foster situation as well. My guess would be that she was semi-local, and it was her boyfriend she was going to visit in jail. Someone her parents didn't want her associating with, so she ran away to go visit him. Perhaps an older boyfriend, who wasn't as serious about her as she was about him. He may not have even known she was planning on coming. Its possible he denied knowing her when shown the picture just to avoid getting involved.

All purely speculation of course.

True, her parents gave up on her and let her go when she wanted to see him in prison and never come home. They might never knew she's been dead for long time as they never report her as missing. They wanted no part of her convict BF and didn't care if she ran away with him if he's free. She doesn't have living sibling(s)/relatives looking for her. That's sad.

 

[carbuff]

We don't know she doesn't have anybody looking for her. Her family might be one of the ones looking everywhere and keeping hope alive, and just not managed to match up.

If the witness accounts are accurate, she doesn't say the friend is incarcerated, and nobody mentions telling her, "Honey, you'll have to wait to daylight for visiting hours." It sounds to me more like "at" meant somebody who worked at the prison.

 

[reasypeasy]

My thinking is that if he was incarcerated, and had any hopes of someday getting out, he wasn't about to admit that he had been having sexual relations with a 14-15 year old girl.

I wonder whether it might be worth asking people again, now that the statute of limitations (or whatever the American equivalent is, if there is one) on statutory rape has passed? I can't imagine it would be a nice experience being asked about your girlfriend because she's dead and unidentified, and having to say "Nope, never seen her." Someone might be willing to talk if they know it is too late to get in trouble.

 

[taramarie]

bump.

you're still in my thoughts daily.

 

[dsntslp]

I wonder if anybody checked with the "Teen Challenge" organization there in Huntsville when she went missing to see if she had recently run away from there.

 

[CarlK90245]

I took another look at the 1979 Aransas Pass HS Yearbook in Classmates.com.

On Page 6, there are several circle-shaped photos. In the group photo in upper left corner of the page and in the upper-left portion of the photo, I came across this girl.

(Removed per user request)

There is no caption to indicate what her name is, and looking through the class portraits, I am unable to figure out who she is.

Any chance that she is WCJD? She has a similarly wide forehead, wide eye-to-temple margin, small nose, squared jaws and small chin.

She also appears to be wearing a necklace with a pendant, although you can barely see it, and can't tell whether the pendant is rectangular.