TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, en route from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020

[Dallas Volunteer]

Search teams work through 300 acres in search for Texas State student

Search teams worked through 300 acres northeast of Luling Tuesday, much of it was filled with brush and mesquite trees. Despite the effort, shortly after noon, a field team leader declared the site was clean, and search coordinator Gene Robinson called everyone in.

"So I feel pretty confident, that again, we know where he is not ... No, we cant be 100% but we can say 60%, 70% possibility he is not here, " said Robinson.
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Gene Robinson was bought in to help take a second look at the scene. He used video feeds from drones and special imagining technology to search for Landry.

"The locate software that we use, will detect colors and look for things that don't exist in nature, that sort of thing, and its very effective. We did have some targets that we identified as something that should be checked on, and we did send a team out there, and they ended up being man-made items but they were not related to the case," said Robinson.

As the area was searched, Caldwell County detectives traveled to Houston Tuesday and met with Landry’s family. I’m told they collected items taken out of his wrecked car in order to process them as evidence.
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[Rosiebones]

It seems to me that since they haven't found him yet near the scene of the accident, that LE would look at events leading up to his drive home for the holidays.
Did he live off campus, and did he have any or several roommates? Did they (not necessarily him) party a lot?
Were his grades good? Did he have a serious girl friend? Was he a good natured, easy going guy or one who was easily angered (road rage type guy) ?
Did he leave school prepared for the trip home (gassed up car, snacks, etc.) or did he stop on his way at a gas station?
Is there any indication he may not have intended to return to school after the holidays? Did he have a part time job that he would return to, and if so what was it and was there difficulty there with anyone?
The list could go on and on, but for me the basic question is, has he just not been found or is there a more complicated scenario leading up to the accident which needs to be investigated.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

EquuSearch calls off search for missing 21-year-old Texas State student from Missouri City

To Note:
Texas EquuSearch sent crews out to the rural area of central Texas where Jason's car was found to assist in the search. As of Tuesday afternoon, they announced the area had been searched as thoroughly as it could be and could not continue without new leads.

They issued the following statement:
Searchers and law enforcement investigators have utilized multiple resources in the search for Jason, including a helicopter with infrared cameras, UAVs (drones), side-scan sonar, scent dogs, as well as searchers on foot, ATVs and horseback. We will not speculate on what may have happen to Jason, but we feel the vast area surrounding the accident scene has been thoroughly searched ... and Jason still hasn't been found. As a result, Texas EquuSearch is suspending our search operations for Jason until law enforcement investigators obtain credible, and sufficient information that would lead our team into a more specific area to search.

Jason Landry search update: Texas EquuSearch suspends search | khou.com

Texas EquuSearch said they are waiting until investigators can find more information or another area to search.

Tim does such wonderful things. In so so many cases with his group. Am I the only one that for the last year wonders... who will head it up when Tim is gone? Hate to mention that, but it's a legacy organization that should be forever MOO as there is nothing like Tim and Equusearch. MOO

May Tim be with us forever and ever. There is nothing comparable to him and his organization.

 

[margarita25]

If he stumbled in the pond and was able to get out and continue walking, would him being wet make it possible for the dogs to no longer follow his scent?

Welcome to WS @mgnsmrt1.

Great question. I can’t say I’ve ever seen this specifically addressed before on WS, wrt to any specific cases here, that I remember.

My guess is yes, but not sure, research required. I did a couple really quick googles, but kept coming up with “wet dog scent” .

Has @Trackergd been in here, btw? What about @K9Enzo? Maybe they have some reference, hollering.

 

[happyday]

This story has really weighed on my heart all week. I've been thru Luling hundreds of times on our way to Austin. Tonight my husband pulled up Google Maps....and we saw exactly how he ended up on Salt Flats Road .... There is a little farmers market just a couple of blocks from where he should have turned.

We were just through Luling on Sunday a week ago to meet up with our youngest son and grands in Lockhart.

The way I see it -- we have a city kid who messed up and went down the wrong road, possibly cruising with music and at a pretty good clip to possibly dodged a deer or a bunch of hogs. I live rural too..... happens all the time. Cattle out on the road isn't out of the question. City kid out on a very dark rural road isn't a good combination.

Once he got himself together after the crash..... he probably wanted to high tail it to the nearest house. Then there wasn't any houses to go to .... He could have easily made it more than 2 miles if he followed the road......

I also noticed on Google maps that there are other roads that t-bone into Salt Flats. Perhaps on a desperate search for the nearest house he walked down one of those roads...realizing he didn't see many if any while he was driving down that road..and the one he may have approached was abandoned...

Hubs also pulled up a perimeter circle on Google maps for 2 miles. That's a lot of ground to cover AND a lot of what appears to be weesatche and mesquite trees which can be pretty thick.

My fear? It's been 8-9 days and if he was out there.... he's been without water unless he found a watering pond and often times that water source isn't drinkable.

BUT THEN -- something the father said that makes me think that LE isn't telling the entire story. That quote where the father said "someone knows something......"

And then...... we have little info on the actual crash....and what they are finding. Is there more but they're trying to keep it low profile?

My gut says he indeed walked away to find help and got into trouble. Someone mentioned hogs. That is a real possibility. Made a wrong turn? Possible. Someone sinister picked him up? Could be..,..

Hated to see one of the search agencies pull out today but they're saying "once LE has more info....." which almost says "Once LE releases more info??" ...

Just my 2c.

Yes, the father said that someone knows something, and he also said something about forgiving your children. Maybe it’s just the way he talks, but I do wonder what he meant.

 

[happyday]

I really hope he wasn’t wearing that camouflage top the night of the crash.

Thanks! So looking at his FB, it lists two other universities and then Texas State 2020-present. So, it was said in some articles he was in his 3rd year at Texas State, but it looks to me he may have been new there this year.

This matters for how familiar w/the drive home he was. If he was in his first year, that drive wouldn’t have been as routine as I thought. A point for an unfortunate accident. MOO

Eta. lol I replied to wrong post! I was replying to post w/ his fb.

 

[K9Enzo]

Welcome to WS @mgnsmrt1.

Great question. I can’t say I’ve ever seen this specifically addressed before on WS, wrt to any specific cases here, that I remember.

My guess is yes, but not sure, research required. I did a couple really quick googles, but kept coming up with “wet dog scent” .

Has @Trackergd been in here, btw? What about @K9Enzo? Maybe they have some reference, hollering.

Hello – I’ll have to read up on this case. Poor kid.

Your question – if a subject goes into the water, emerges and keeps walking on foot, will a dog still be able to track them? In my opinion only Yes, and actually being wet would most likely enhance the subjects scent. This is assuming this not a super large body of water, but dogs are use to scent trails ending, then picking them back up again. The surroundings can change the scent direction (trees, rocks, wind of course, grass, structures, etc.). My disclaimer always – this is a well trained and experienced dog/handler team. A dog that is able to work through distractions and a handler that knows the length of time their dog can stay in odor before tapping out. IMO

 

[margarita25]

Hello – I’ll have to read up on this case. Poor kid.

Your question – if a subject goes into the water, emerges and keeps walking on foot, will a dog still be able to track them? In my opinion only Yes, and actually being wet would most likely enhance the subjects scent. This is assuming this not a super large body of water, but dogs are use to scent trails ending, then picking them back up again. The surroundings can change the scent direction (trees, rocks, wind of course, grass, structures, etc.). My disclaimer always – this is a well trained and experienced dog/handler team. A dog that is able to work through distractions and a handler that knows the length of time their dog can stay in odor before tapping out. IMO

Hey, thanks for commenting. That was what I figured too, as I mentioned, jmo.

I have linked previously in other cases how light rain can be beneficial:

“If we think of how the dog’s nose uses moisture to absorb the scent particles and process the odor through the olfactory cells we can understand why a dog’s sense of smell is better during rainy weather then on hot dry days.

The rain absorbs the scent particles and as the dog inhales the moisture they also get the scent which mixes with the moisture present in the nose giving the dog a blast of scent similar to when we chew a flavorful piece of gum.

This reasoning leads us to an understanding of why the best time to do nose work with your dog is during damp conditions. In comparison, on a hot dry day, the dog's nose has to work harder to find scent condensed to dust and the body also must maintain a moisture level that will process the scent.

Misty foggy nights and early morning when the dew is fresh on the grass is the best time for tracking and trailing with dogs. Additionally, scenting is great during light rain showers because the scent particles will absorb the moisture and expand making them easier for the dog to follow.

Warm dry days remove the moisture from the scent by evaporation of the moisture which holds the particles together, expanded and in place. Once enough moisture is removed from the particles the scent particles will float more and move more off of the actual foot steps of the person the dog is seeking.

The scent cloud can swift in the lightest breeze on a dry day but on a wet day the scent cloud will collect in puddles and wet areas where the dog can find the scent more easily.

A hot dry day makes reading your dog more difficult. As does dry locations such as sandy areas and open fields baking in the sun.“

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“Dogs actually love to work their nose in rainy conditions, they really seem to enjoy all the scents and fragrances that come to life for them to smell and follow.“


Family-Disaster-Dogs: Rain and Search Dog Tracking - We're Just Trailing in the Rain

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Marking again to find case map and weather conditions for Dec. 14 to present.
(Sorry knee deep in another thread at the moment, but will get back over here ASAP)

 

[Gemmie]

I did a couple really quick googles, but kept coming up with “wet dog scent”

Results all depend on your search criteria. This should help. Lots of good results there.

can track dogs follow a scent through water - Google Search

 

[soap mama]

Oh God

the “forgive your children” comment.

this has Martin Robert (Boone NC) vibes all over it now. I know that case backwards and forwards if you need deets.
Maybe Jason felt like he was a disappointment, then the accident, he may have just walked away.

I will say the vague info about the contents found at the scene, “some blood” idk this is odd. also asking Jasons friends to track down his electronic trail? Hey LE, why don’t you do that? Lmao, his freakin phone was left at the scene!

 

[labradoodlelover]

Oh God

the “forgive your children” comment.

this has Martin Robert (Boone NC) vibes all over it now. I know that case backwards and forwards if you need deets.
Maybe Jason felt like he was a disappointment, then the accident, he may have just walked away.

I will say the vague info about the contents found at the scene, “some blood” idk this is odd. also asking Jasons friends to track down his electronic trail? Hey LE, why don’t you do that? Lmao, his freakin phone was left at the scene!

When I heard that comment from the father (a Pastor) my hinky meter went off. Something else is going on here... ALL MOO.

 

[Jackielee09]

Maybe driving high rate of speed, fell asleep, or...
Or swerved and over corrected. Felt like failure for totaling vehicle and walked away. His dad trying to say it’s ok. There’s so much we don’t know it’s near impossible to try and figure any of these cases out when public gets 1/4 of the story. For good reasons, I know.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

When I heard that comment from the father (a Pastor) my hinky meter went off. Something else is going on here... ALL MOO.

I could see that being an innocuous comment if Dad thought that perhaps JL might have been driving under the influence?

Or even if dad disapproved of the decision to drive late at night. Or anything else he disapproved of that he thinks may have contributed to the accident.

It could also suggest something hinky -- I'm just not sure that's the only interpretation.

MOO

 

[allboys]

Oh God

the “forgive your children” comment.

this has Martin Robert (Boone NC) vibes all over it now. I know that case backwards and forwards if you need deets.
Maybe Jason felt like he was a disappointment, then the accident, he may have just walked away.

I will say the vague info about the contents found at the scene, “some blood” idk this is odd. also asking Jasons friends to track down his electronic trail? Hey LE, why don’t you do that? Lmao, his freakin phone was left at the scene!

I was reminded of Martin Robert’s case as well. As I remember, some thought he may have committed suicide in a location not ever to be found? Such an odd and unfortunate case.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe he and Dad had last parted on bad terms, which could account for his wording. Or that he may have been drinking while driving...

 

[labradoodlelover]

I could see that being an innocuous comment if Dad thought that perhaps JL might have been driving under the influence?

Or even if dad disapproved of the decision to drive late at night. Or anything else he disapproved of that he thinks may have contributed to the accident.

It could also suggest something hinky -- I'm just not sure that's the only interpretation.

MOO

Agree with you! My mind goes to a place where kids who grew up in the church are under a lot of scrutiny. pressure to be a certain xxyz... Maybe Jason didn't fit that mold and there was something underlying... all MOO, but the other scenarios you mentioned could also be true. Hoping this poor guy is found today!

 

[Curiousobserver]

Head injuries that leave you mentally incapacitated but able to walk miles and miles are pretty rare. Eventually you have to stop.

More likely he tried to walk back toward something he remembered along the road. If he thought he knew where he was he may have tried to take a short cut.

 

[Jackielee09]

Head injuries that leave you mentally incapacitated but able to walk miles and miles are pretty rare. Eventually you have to stop.

More likely he tried to walk back toward something he remembered along the road. If he thought he knew where he was he may have tried to take a short cut.

Something I noticed about car, the drivers side inside did not look too bad. The back bumper and front left hood. Maybe he was disgusted with himself and just took off walking. Or maybe he couldn’t locate phone. Moo

 

[happyday]

Oh God

the “forgive your children” comment.

this has Martin Robert (Boone NC) vibes all over it now. I know that case backwards and forwards if you need deets.
Maybe Jason felt like he was a disappointment, then the accident, he may have just walked away.

I will say the vague info about the contents found at the scene, “some blood” idk this is odd. also asking Jasons friends to track down his electronic trail? Hey LE, why don’t you do that? Lmao, his freakin phone was left at the scene!

Yeah my stomach dropped when I read that quote. It means something for sure. Why would you be talking about forgiving your child who just had an accident? There’s more to this, even if it’s just family issues. It could be more—who knows.

I don’t know that case. I’ll have to look it up!

 

[Kimpossible31]

Search teams work through 300 acres in search for Texas State student

Search teams worked through 300 acres northeast of Luling Tuesday, much of it was filled with brush and mesquite trees. Despite the effort, shortly after noon, a field team leader declared the site was clean, and search coordinator Gene Robinson called everyone in.

"So I feel pretty confident, that again, we know where he is not ... No, we cant be 100% but we can say 60%, 70% possibility he is not here, " said Robinson.
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Gene Robinson was bought in to help take a second look at the scene. He used video feeds from drones and special imagining technology to search for Landry.

"The locate software that we use, will detect colors and look for things that don't exist in nature, that sort of thing, and its very effective. We did have some targets that we identified as something that should be checked on, and we did send a team out there, and they ended up being man-made items but they were not related to the case," said Robinson.

As the area was searched, Caldwell County detectives traveled to Houston Tuesday and met with Landry’s family. I’m told they collected items taken out of his wrecked car in order to process them as evidence.
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I take this to mean his family has not traveled to the site of the accident? Or maybe they have and are already back at home in Houston?