TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, en route from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020

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  • #721
But this was his third year there - correct?
So it wasn’t a new route to him?
Honestly, I am not sure about that. I haven't read it anywhere and his Facebook indicates he has been at a few colleges. Facebook isn't always right I admit. Sometimes people put whatever they want there. Quoting myself to link his Facebook again.
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Scanned a few pages of the thread lately but admittedly not read all of them. My questions..

1. From his Facebook about info section he has attended a few different colleges including Sam Houston state and Univ of Houston. Had he been at TSU long? Did he actually have many friends, roommate or girlfriend? His Facebook indicated he had been in a relationship since Jan 6, 2018. Jason Landry
I’m not wanting to sleuth friends just curious about his mindset.

2. Any other social media been found for him?

3. All the talk on opening phones reminded me of an article I just read . Pretty interesting stuff.
Researchers Explain How Police Hack Into an iPhone
 
  • #722
But this was his third year there - correct?
So it wasn’t a new route to him?

He might've been a transfer student, so this might've been his first semester there.

I think maybe he wasn't using his GPS app this time, and that is how he got off-track, and stayed off-track for as long as he was.

@K9Enzo, maybe you can help... if that wasn't him in the car, then whose scent did they use for the dogs to track... did they use an item from the car? How does that usually work? How soon were the dogs brought in? Why might the dogs go to an abandoned house, a pond, and why might they also go a quarter mile down the road? Would they just stop in the middle of the road after a quarter mile if the scent is lost?

Were cadaver dogs used at all?

So many questions...
 
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  • #723
That reminded me once when using Google maps. Getting out of my neighborhood (only 3 ways out) I knew all I needed to do was make a left onto the main road, and then needed the mapping assistance to tell me where to go next. It said "turn left, turn left, turn left, turn left, turn left, then had the remaining directions on how to get to my destination). I rolled my eyes and laughed at it telling me to go into a complete circle before getting on my way. Unsure why it did that (first time I saw that) but makes me think ANY mapping system can have errors either intermittedly, or 100% in some off-road areas.

That’s what I said. :)
 
  • #724
JMO: I think whatever happened leading up to the accident began in San Marcos. I suspect Jason was suffering from a mental episode that caused disordered thinking vs foul play. MOO.

These kinds of things can be triggered by stress and lack of sleep (exam week recently ended plus perhaps work); not eating well; OTC, prescription and other drug interactions (someone may have offered him adderall to “help with studying,” or perhaps there was an end-of-term party); and other stressors (combined and separate).

If this happened, it may have been the first time he experienced something like this, so it may be that no one would recognize any signs — including him. IME.

He may not have communicated his schedule or packed in any organized manner. Also: I’ve been told by people who have had diagnosed manic episodes that they can experience visual distortions, and I have migraines that can cause vision effects, so it rings true to me. Here’s an article about a study that found distorted visual processing in people with bipolar disorders in manic and depressive states:

Brain Imaging Suggests Visual Processing Is Disrupted in People with Bipolar Disorder

(Note: I’m not saying that he is bipolar, and I haven’t seen that reported. A variety of conditions, including mental-emotional-physical episodes, can cause vision problems).

Speculation only: I can see him having a manic-type episode wherein he decides to drive home but isn’t thinking clearly, so he packs in a nonsensical way, doesn’t let anyone know, and leaves late at night. He knows the route, having driven it before and perhaps is using GPS, but his mind is racing, he may not be seeing well, and he misses the turn.

Then, IMO, he’s in a perfect storm situation — dead of night on an unlit, infrequently trafficked back road, mind racing, perhaps experiencing vision issues in an already difficult-to-see area. He doesn’t think to stop and turn around; maybe GPS suggests an alternative route. Maybe someone comes up behind him, then passes him. Maybe he swerves to avoid something, maybe he hits the gravel road section and skids a bit, maybe he literally isn’t seeing the road clearly anymore, and crashes.

Speculation: He’s shaken up, now perhaps injured, already panicking, and he flees from the scene without even looking for his phone or wallet first — or maybe he pulls things willy-nilly from his car but can’t find his phone. He may hide from anyone who sees the car and stops, especially if any bright police-type lights are used.

Whatever happened, my heart goes out to him and his family. MOO.
 
  • #725
I've seen a few question his mental state. While I'm thinking this is an EXTREME longshot (what I'm about to say, not people questioning his mental state)... but I saw this headline today:

Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms

Source: Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms

As I said, I doubt this was it, but could be an extremely teeny weeny possibility. I'm thinking not, but it did come to mind after reading it. One never knows....
 
  • #726
Google Maps
ITA with you. When, using Google street view and coming into the intersection from the north,(his logical route down)
it is a large, well lit intersection with route signs clearly indicating he should turn right and go down to I10. I do not understand how he could miss it but he did apparently, go straight through it. There appears to be a camera at that intersection and possible security cameras (3 of them) on the church facing the sidewalk and intersection. If they are cameras, the perhaps LE now knows much more than us as to who was driving the car when it went through the intersection.
I don't think it's that unusual for him to have missed the turn. He could have been distracted by something or maybe just wasn't paying enough attention. We also don't know what his mental state was or whether or not he was taking any medication.

Do we know how fast he was driving? That could have been a factor as well.
 
  • #727
I don't think it's that unusual for him to have missed the turn. He could have been distracted by something or maybe just wasn't paying enough attention. We also don't know what his mental state was or whether or not he was taking any medication.

Do we know how fast he was driving? That could have been a factor as well.
He's just 21, a kid.
We have very little information, in fact.
No foul play was suspected on initial examination by LE.
They have not changed their original assessment.
I think we need to wait it out. It would be helpful if we had an actual map of area already searched.
We do not.
The speed of his vehicle at impact should indeed tell a story.
I still suspect he fell asleep at the wheel, or as his dad suggested, swerved to avoid a deer or something.
I'm unclear as to source of the blood, whether caused by broken glass, a nosebleed or something else entirely.
again we don't have access to either quantity or pattern of blood spill or where in vehicle it was located.
 
  • #728
I don't think it's that unusual for him to have missed the turn. He could have been distracted by something or maybe just wasn't paying enough attention. We also don't know what his mental state was or whether or not he was taking any medication.

Do we know how fast he was driving? That could have been a factor as well.
I can totally understand how it would be easy to miss the turn. What I don’t understand is why he drove SO long on Salt Flat Rd. It would be obvious within about 30 seconds that you’re driving away from town on a dark, lonely road into the country instead of through town center to connect w/IH 10. He drove for 10 miles or so & not only that it had turned to a gravel road.
 
  • #729
I don't think it's that unusual for him to have missed the turn. He could have been distracted by something or maybe just wasn't paying enough attention. We also don't know what his mental state was or whether or not he was taking any medication.

Do we know how fast he was driving? That could have been a factor as well.
I've traveled that route from San Marcos to Houston countless times. Regardless of how familiar you are with those roads, ending up down that gravel road would be nearly impossible unless that's where you wanted to be. It's an unlit, bumpy 🤬🤬🤬 gravel road that's only used by oilfield hands and a few locals with property outside of town. That car wasn't there by accident, IMO.
 
  • #730
He's just 21, a kid.
We have very little information, in fact.
No foul play was suspected on initial examination by LE.
They have not changed their original assessment.
I think we need to wait it out. It would be helpful if we had an actual map of area already searched.
We do not.
The speed of his vehicle at impact should indeed tell a story.
I still suspect he fell asleep at the wheel, or as his dad suggested, swerved to avoid a deer or something.
I'm unclear as to source of the blood, whether caused by broken glass, a nosebleed or something else entirely.
again we don't have access to either quantity or pattern of blood spill or where in vehicle it was located.
 
  • #731
I've traveled that route from San Marcos to Houston countless times. Regardless of how familiar you are with those roads, ending up down that gravel road would be nearly impossible unless that's where you wanted to be. It's an unlit, bumpy 🤬🤬🤬 gravel road that's only used by oilfield hands and a few locals with property outside of town. That car wasn't there by accident, IMO.
If you have ever driven that route, you would realize that turn is the first sign of life for miles. I believe it is the first major intersection for 20 miles.
 
  • #732
Do we know how fast he was driving? That could have been a factor as well.

My guess is he was speeding. That's my personal opinion. I say this because I saw on one of his social media sites where he liked a post about speeding around. Doubting there was much traffic out there at that hour so I wouldn't exactly be going the speed limit myself.
 
  • #733
JMO: I think whatever happened leading up to the accident began in San Marcos. I suspect Jason was suffering from a mental episode that caused disordered thinking vs foul play. MOO.

These kinds of things can be triggered by stress and lack of sleep (exam week recently ended plus perhaps work); not eating well; OTC, prescription and other drug interactions (someone may have offered him adderall to “help with studying,” or perhaps there was an end-of-term party); and other stressors (combined and separate).

If this happened, it may have been the first time he experienced something like this, so it may be that no one would recognize any signs — including him. IME.

He may not have communicated his schedule or packed in any organized manner. Also: I’ve been told by people who have had diagnosed manic episodes that they can experience visual distortions, and I have migraines that can cause vision effects, so it rings true to me. Here’s an article about a study that found distorted visual processing in people with bipolar disorders in manic and depressive states:

Brain Imaging Suggests Visual Processing Is Disrupted in People with Bipolar Disorder

(Note: I’m not saying that he is bipolar, and I haven’t seen that reported. A variety of conditions, including mental-emotional-physical episodes, can cause vision problems).

Speculation only: I can see him having a manic-type episode wherein he decides to drive home but isn’t thinking clearly, so he packs in a nonsensical way, doesn’t let anyone know, and leaves late at night. He knows the route, having driven it before and perhaps is using GPS, but his mind is racing, he may not be seeing well, and he misses the turn.

Then, IMO, he’s in a perfect storm situation — dead of night on an unlit, infrequently trafficked back road, mind racing, perhaps experiencing vision issues in an already difficult-to-see area. He doesn’t think to stop and turn around; maybe GPS suggests an alternative route. Maybe someone comes up behind him, then passes him. Maybe he swerves to avoid something, maybe he hits the gravel road section and skids a bit, maybe he literally isn’t seeing the road clearly anymore, and crashes.

Speculation: He’s shaken up, now perhaps injured, already panicking, and he flees from the scene without even looking for his phone or wallet first — or maybe he pulls things willy-nilly from his car but can’t find his phone. He may hide from anyone who sees the car and stops, especially if any bright police-type lights are used.

Whatever happened, my heart goes out to him and his family. MOO.

this reminds me of Bryce Laspisa. I hope this poor guy is found.
 
  • #734
It doesn't sound like they are actively looking for him in that area at all. His family is asking that his story be kept in the news, via their church Facebook page, but they don't seem to be doing interviews. There must be more that we don't know.
 
  • #735
He might've been a transfer student, so this might've been his first semester there.

I think maybe he wasn't using his GPS app this time, and that is how he got off-track, and stayed off-track for as long as he was.

@K9Enzo, maybe you can help... if that wasn't him in the car, then whose scent did they use for the dogs to track... did they use an item from the car? How does that usually work? How soon were the dogs brought in? Why might the dogs go to an abandoned house, a pond, and why might they also go a quarter mile down the road? Would they just stop in the middle of the road after a quarter mile if the scent is lost?

Were cadaver dogs used at all?

So many questions...

His dad reported earlier that JL drove an older model vehicle without airbags so I don't think he had GPS -- most likely limited to a cell phone app. I'm not sure why he needed directions if he was familiar with the route to visit his family for Christmas break.

Father of missing Texas State student continues searching for answers
 
  • #736
It doesn't sound like they are actively looking for him in that area at all. His family is asking that his story be kept in the news, via their church Facebook page, but they don't seem to be doing interviews. There must be more that we don't know.

Search suspended for missing Texas State student

Dec 23, 2020

AUSTIN, Texas — The search for a missing Texas State University student is being suspended, nine days after he disappeared.

21-year-old Jason Landry was first reported missing on December 14th. He was on his way to see family and friends back home near Houston.

Authorities found Jason’s Nissan Altima crashed and abandoned along Salt Flat Road, roughly 10 minutes away from downtown Luling, according to a Texas Department of Public Safety official.

Texas EquuSearch said Wednesday that they are suspending their search for Landry until investigators obtain "credible, and sufficient information" that would lead their team into a more specific area to search.

Complete statement at the link above.
 
  • #737
Search suspended for missing Texas State student

Dec 23, 2020

AUSTIN, Texas — The search for a missing Texas State University student is being suspended, nine days after he disappeared.

21-year-old Jason Landry was first reported missing on December 14th. He was on his way to see family and friends back home near Houston.

Authorities found Jason’s Nissan Altima crashed and abandoned along Salt Flat Road, roughly 10 minutes away from downtown Luling, according to a Texas Department of Public Safety official.

Texas EquuSearch said Wednesday that they are suspending their search for Landry until investigators obtain "credible, and sufficient information" that would lead their team into a more specific area to search.

Complete statement at the link above.

Thanks! I'm aware of this, I just meant that it sounds like nothing is being done NOW, as far as what's been reported. That makes me think there's more to the story that we might not ever know.
 
  • #738
  • #739
Missouri City church provides update on search for missing Texas State student

Dec 18, 2020

According to the church, investigators said dogs led them to a pond, which they later drained. But from the best they could tell, Landry’s body was not in there. DPS said Friday night that nothing was found in the pond.

Landry’s father, Kent Landry, who is also a pastor of Southminster Presbyterian Church, said this is good news because there remains hope that Landry “is still out there somewhere.”

On Saturday, investigators will start the search again, which will include K-9 units, a plane, a team of 40 people searching and teams on horses, according to the church. While others have also continued to search the area throughout the week. Investigators will also take DNA from the car and gather any other evidence.

____________

DNA results are probably available now. Hope this kid shows up safe somewhere or reaches out to his family.
 
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