TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, en route from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020

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  • #741
JMO: I think whatever happened leading up to the accident began in San Marcos. I suspect Jason was suffering from a mental episode that caused disordered thinking vs foul play. MOO.

These kinds of things can be triggered by stress and lack of sleep (exam week recently ended plus perhaps work); not eating well; OTC, prescription and other drug interactions (someone may have offered him adderall to “help with studying,” or perhaps there was an end-of-term party); and other stressors (combined and separate).

If this happened, it may have been the first time he experienced something like this, so it may be that no one would recognize any signs — including him. IME.

He may not have communicated his schedule or packed in any organized manner. Also: I’ve been told by people who have had diagnosed manic episodes that they can experience visual distortions, and I have migraines that can cause vision effects, so it rings true to me. Here’s an article about a study that found distorted visual processing in people with bipolar disorders in manic and depressive states:

Brain Imaging Suggests Visual Processing Is Disrupted in People with Bipolar Disorder

(Note: I’m not saying that he is bipolar, and I haven’t seen that reported. A variety of conditions, including mental-emotional-physical episodes, can cause vision problems).

Speculation only: I can see him having a manic-type episode wherein he decides to drive home but isn’t thinking clearly, so he packs in a nonsensical way, doesn’t let anyone know, and leaves late at night. He knows the route, having driven it before and perhaps is using GPS, but his mind is racing, he may not be seeing well, and he misses the turn.

Then, IMO, he’s in a perfect storm situation — dead of night on an unlit, infrequently trafficked back road, mind racing, perhaps experiencing vision issues in an already difficult-to-see area. He doesn’t think to stop and turn around; maybe GPS suggests an alternative route. Maybe someone comes up behind him, then passes him. Maybe he swerves to avoid something, maybe he hits the gravel road section and skids a bit, maybe he literally isn’t seeing the road clearly anymore, and crashes.

Speculation: He’s shaken up, now perhaps injured, already panicking, and he flees from the scene without even looking for his phone or wallet first — or maybe he pulls things willy-nilly from his car but can’t find his phone. He may hide from anyone who sees the car and stops, especially if any bright police-type lights are used.

Whatever happened, my heart goes out to him and his family. MOO.
I agree with where you are going with this. I can't get past the fact that if foul play was suspected, we would be seeing more media presence. In other cases, Kristin Smart,
But this was his third year there - correct?
So it wasn’t a new route to him?
 
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Texas college student, 21, vanishes while driving home for Christmas with his car found in a ditch | Daily Mail Online

Dec 26, 2020

Landry's vehicle had been spotted by a local first responder. His phone, wallet, and other personal items were also found in his car along with a small amount of blood about 30 minutes from the university's campus in San Marcos.

[..]

We know he got out of the crash OK, and was walking back, this way, and that's the last we know for sure,' said Kent, a pastor, to Fox 7.
 
  • #743
It's reasonable to be disoriented and get out of your crashed car -- leaving your valuables and phone behind. However, this crash happened on 12/13 -- plenty of time for the injured party to reach out. It also seems the only lead after 9-day search of the area only was JL's scent leading to the pond. Where are you, Jason?
 
  • #744
But this was his third year there - correct?
So it wasn’t a new route to him?
From my understanding, he was a transfer student and this was his first year. I've not been able to find or confirm though how many times he may have made this same trip.
 
  • #745
Just wondering when one is an adult, if not at 21...? 18 used to be considered adult but that has long gone by the wayside, I know. But at 21, you are meant to be responsible, able to buy alcohol etc...but still a kid?
Anyway, it is OT. Just a pet peeve of mine...
 
  • #746
Just wondering when one is an adult, if not at 21...? 18 used to be considered adult but that has long gone by the wayside, I know. But at 21, you are meant to be responsible, able to buy alcohol etc...but still a kid?
Anyway, it is OT. Just a pet peeve of mine...

Respectfully, I think many here refer to college students as "kids" -- myself included!

While age 21 is certainly the legal age of majority, health professionals generally deem ages 18-24 as late adolescents/young adults. IMO, there's no comparing my parents or grandparents generation with today's college-aged ("kids"), and I very much agree with the following:

The process of becoming an adult is more gradual and varied today than in the past. Young people take longer to achieve economic and psychological autonomy and early adulthood experiences vary greatly by gender, race and ethnicity, and social class.

http://www.amchp.org/programsandtopics/AdolescentHealth/projects/Documents/SAHRC AYADevelopment LateAdolescentYoungAdulthood.pdf
 
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  • #747
He could have also missed the turn by being distracted on the phone, perhaps. It's possible he was talking hands-free on a phone with someone (or even texting with someone) and didn't pay attention to the turn. If he was a transfer student and this was his first semester, I guess it's possible this is the first time he's been home. Typically I would say that's very unlikely, as most students would at least go home for Thanksgiving break, but with Covid, I know some universities were encouraging students to stay on campus rather than travel. It is possible, and would also explain being unfamiliar with the drive.
 
  • #748
Just because you are allowed to buy alcohol at 21 doesn't make you mature just because the law says you're old enough. Some are, but not every 21 yo is mature. I agree with the person that said they are kids at 21. It's also my pet peeve that people too young are allowed drivers licenses. A lot of 16-21 yo's think they are invincible, are more worried about a pimple before a date, reading texts while driving, or daydreaming behind the wheel if the cute guy/girl will like them. And this 21 (Jason) 'liked' a vid of college guys getting a duck drunk. (he might have been there, I don't know if he was or wasn't, or if he just 'liked' the vid). I HATE that sort of abuse. It would NOT be something I'd 'like'. It's not fun, nor is it funny, but my point is... if he was part of it, or just 'liking' it, it shows his immaturity, IMHO.

I live in a college town and I try to stay away from the campus. Their driving REALLY sucks. And yes, I realize there are bad drivers at all ages, but I just don't like when teenagers, or early 20s, are allowed licenses. And before you ask... I live my truth. I got my license at 25 as did my mother.

And before I'm blasted for this being an opinion most don't agree with.. here's more on that topic from people way smarter than I am on the subject:

The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so.

In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part.

In teen’s brains, the connections between the emotional part of the brain and the decision-making center are still developing—and not always at the same rate. That’s why when teens have overwhelming emotional input, they can’t explain later what they were thinking. They weren’t thinking as much as they were feeling.

Source: Understanding the Teen Brain - Health Encyclopedia - University of Rochester Medical Center

So as for Jason... yeah, 21 is still a 'kid' from what I've seen on his social media.
 
  • #749
Just wondering when one is an adult, if not at 21...?

25 mentally according to what I quoted in my post above, 21 according to the law. I'd rather listen to the scientists, over lawmakers, IMHO.
 
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(Note: I’m not saying that he is bipolar, and I haven’t seen that reported. A variety of conditions, including mental-emotional-physical episodes, can cause vision problems).
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BBM. Snipped for focus.

WOW. A family member of mine with BPD died in a singular vehicle accident. I never knew this about visual disturbances.
 
  • #751
JMO: I think whatever happened leading up to the accident began in San Marcos. I suspect Jason was suffering from a mental episode that caused disordered thinking vs foul play. MOO.

These kinds of things can be triggered by stress and lack of sleep (exam week recently ended plus perhaps work); not eating well; OTC, prescription and other drug interactions (someone may have offered him adderall to “help with studying,” or perhaps there was an end-of-term party); and other stressors (combined and separate).

If this happened, it may have been the first time he experienced something like this, so it may be that no one would recognize any signs — including him. IME.

He may not have communicated his schedule or packed in any organized manner. Also: I’ve been told by people who have had diagnosed manic episodes that they can experience visual distortions, and I have migraines that can cause vision effects, so it rings true to me. Here’s an article about a study that found distorted visual processing in people with bipolar disorders in manic and depressive states:

Brain Imaging Suggests Visual Processing Is Disrupted in People with Bipolar Disorder

(Note: I’m not saying that he is bipolar, and I haven’t seen that reported. A variety of conditions, including mental-emotional-physical episodes, can cause vision problems).

Speculation only: I can see him having a manic-type episode wherein he decides to drive home but isn’t thinking clearly, so he packs in a nonsensical way, doesn’t let anyone know, and leaves late at night. He knows the route, having driven it before and perhaps is using GPS, but his mind is racing, he may not be seeing well, and he misses the turn.

Then, IMO, he’s in a perfect storm situation — dead of night on an unlit, infrequently trafficked back road, mind racing, perhaps experiencing vision issues in an already difficult-to-see area. He doesn’t think to stop and turn around; maybe GPS suggests an alternative route. Maybe someone comes up behind him, then passes him. Maybe he swerves to avoid something, maybe he hits the gravel road section and skids a bit, maybe he literally isn’t seeing the road clearly anymore, and crashes.

Speculation: He’s shaken up, now perhaps injured, already panicking, and he flees from the scene without even looking for his phone or wallet first — or maybe he pulls things willy-nilly from his car but can’t find his phone. He may hide from anyone who sees the car and stops, especially if any bright police-type lights are used.

Whatever happened, my heart goes out to him and his family. MOO.
Going with this theory, it’s possible his phone died because he forgot (or misplaced) his charger and he didn’t have a gps (or powered phone) at the time of the accident. His father said the car was older and lacked side air bags, so it’s likely the car didn’t have gps either.
 
  • #752
Respectfully, I think many here refer to college students as "kids" -- myself included!

While age 21 is certainly the legal age of majority, health professionals generally deem ages 18-24 as late adolescents/young adults. IMO, there's no comparing my parents or grandparents generation with today's college-aged ("kids"), and I very much agree with the following:

The process of becoming an adult is more gradual and varied today than in the past. Young people take longer to achieve economic and psychological autonomy and early adulthood experiences vary greatly by gender, race and ethnicity, and social class.

http://www.amchp.org/programsandtopics/AdolescentHealth/projects/Documents/SAHRC AYADevelopment LateAdolescentYoungAdulthood.pdf
If someone is young enough to be my kid I consider them a kid. Lol
I might say young man or young lady.
 
  • #753
Just wondering when one is an adult, if not at 21...? 18 used to be considered adult but that has long gone by the wayside, I know. But at 21, you are meant to be responsible, able to buy alcohol etc...but still a kid?
Anyway, it is OT. Just a pet peeve of mine...


Agreed. At 18 they can be drafted or go into the military on their own. Yet, they have to be 21 to buy alcohol.

When our youngest was in the Army. ... he turned 21 while stationed in the Green Zone. When he called he said it stunk because he had dreamed of walking into a store to buy a 6 pack the day he turned 21.

I told him .. that it was fine and I did it for him.

Big joke between us..... and we don't drink but it was the thought that counted.
 
  • #754
BBM. Snipped for focus.

WOW. A family member of mine with BPD died in a singular vehicle accident. I never knew this about visual disturbances.

I'm sorry that happened to your relative, allboys.

I don't understand why people are questioning his mental health on the night this happened, though. These kinds of car accidents happen, and people do wander away from cars disoriented following accidents.

As far as why he was driving on the road for awhile, some people don't have a sense of direction. Maybe he thought his GPS would eventually correct the route somehow without needing to turn around? Or he couldn't see a safe place to U-turn?
 
  • #755
I'm sorry that happened to your relative, allboys.

I don't understand why people are questioning his mental health on the night this happened, though. These kinds of car accidents happen, and people do wander away from cars disoriented following accidents.

As far as why he was driving on the road for awhile, some people don't have a sense of direction. Maybe he thought his GPS would eventually correct the route somehow without needing to turn around? Or he couldn't see a safe place to U-turn?

There have been publicized cases of people's cars found abandoned, and their bodies found later, either due to taking their own lives or succumbing to the elements. I think it has to be considered in this case. LE is often quiet when someone takes their own life, due to privacy issues. It's incredibly sad, no matter what happened.
 
  • #756
Waze is a cell phone app. I use it every single day — even when I don’t need directions — because it notifies me of heavy traffic, car accidents, objects in the road, road construction, speed traps, etc. Users are constantly reporting on these things, which really saves me a lot of time and aggravation.

Waze takes the quickest route by default. Although, there are settings you can adjust if you want to avoid toll roads or stay on major highways. IME, Waze has rarely steered me on “back roads” and usually sticks to the most commonly traveled route.

ETA:
I can only think of one instance when Waze took me on a backwards route. That was on a trip back home after a mandatory hurricane evacuation (from Charlotte to Myrtle Beach) due to downed trees / closed roads.
Thanks for sharing info; I’d never heard of Waze before.
Is there a way to see whether the app was in use that night?

ETA: Ooof! Well if there were a way, LE couldn’t look to see if they can’t get the phone unlocked. :confused::confused:
 
  • #757
As far as why he was driving on the road for awhile, some people don't have a sense of direction. Maybe he thought his GPS would eventually correct the route somehow without needing to turn around? Or he couldn't see a safe place to U-turn?

I think this is quite possible!
 
  • #758
Thanks! I'm aware of this, I just meant that it sounds like nothing is being done NOW, as far as what's been reported. That makes me think there's more to the story that we might not ever know.
I'm sorry that happened to your relative, allboys.

I don't understand why people are questioning his mental health on the night this happened, though. These kinds of car accidents happen, and people do wander away from cars disoriented following accidents.

As far as why he was driving on the road for awhile, some people don't have a sense of direction. Maybe he thought his GPS would eventually correct the route somehow without needing to turn around? Or he couldn't see a safe place to U-turn?

The main reason I question mental health is because the family and friends are eerily quiet. When I think back to other missing persons cases, especially college students, friends and family are on the news keeping story out there, even if it's just a clip of them hanging missing posters. Most families do a round of media interviews like Nancy Grace, local news, etc. Not one friend has come forward and said anything.. and family seems super quiet as well. It just seems odd and leads one to start speculating. Dad only did a few interviews. I hope this isn't the case, but this case just seems odd. My daughter is a student at Texas State, and I would hope that if authorities suspected foul play like a carjacking etc, they would have made an announcement, asked for witnesses to come forward, or ask for any leads in the case. This is so sad and hits so close to home.
 
  • #759
I speculated about him having a manic-type episode based on a number of factors that I thoroughly explained. It fits some of the known facts and oddities, and (SPECULATION) it may be why we haven’t heard as much as we might otherwise from friends / roommates.

I believe there WAS something more going on than him simply being distracted and ten miles later, out on a seldom-used gravel and pitted oil field road in the dead of night. Sounds from locals like he would have had time to do a 17-point-U-Turn, if needed.

Maybe it’s foul play, maybe he (or whoever was driving) was purposely heading somewhere other than home, maybe he was under the influence of something?

Speaking of which, Carsurence.net, an auto insurance aggregator and “tips” site, has a lot of scary drunk driving stats:

What percentage of car accidents are caused by alcohol?
When it comes to single-car crashes with a deadly outcome, 65% of them involve a drunk driver. Drunk driving is the cause of more than 50% of the total number of fatal highway crashes.

Of course, this car accident was unlikely to have been fatal if he had been located in a timely manner. But, as others have mentioned, a driver fleeing the scene of a single car drunk-driving accident to avoid prosecution is a fairly regular occurrence — so drunk driving could also fit known facts, and in fact may be more statistically likely than not for a male driver his age who has a single car accident. And that’s only considering alcohol! :eek: JMO.

I happen to lean more toward a manic episode, maybe his first, and maybe triggered by something as innocent as illness combined with lack of sleep and way too much caffeine. I freely admit this is likely due to my personal experience with friends and loved ones (and having been through several final exam weeks). My mileage may differ for sure!

Sadly, I suspect we’ll never know.
 
  • #760
If someone is young enough to be my kid I consider them a kid. Lol

I found your post funny. My mother just reminded me over Christmas how I'll always be 'The Kid'. That's how they refer to me and I left 21 behind me long, long ago. Did I say long? Long. lol Or it's 'Hey, kid... can you do such and such?' So I'll forever be The Kid.
 
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