TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

[K9Enzo]

What do you think then? Why do you think he undressed?

IMO, the police mentioned the possible laced drugs for a reason (testing still pending). They suspect it.

I believe he was in an altered state of consciousness when he wrecked his car, that continued on after the wreck to him completely undressing. I also think this state of mind kept him going, probably not feeling (initially) the cold weather, the discomfort of not having shoes on, he had the energy to go, go. I’m still concerned he could be in water and could have walked straight into it.

IMO, they are now looking for a body that does not have any clothes on, which makes it more difficult. Remains, IMO, will eventually blend in with the environment. An untrained eye could see it, know it looks out of place, but not even think it was a body.

I wonder if he would have shown up to his parents home impaired? I think he would if he had just smoked a blunt. If it was laced, did he know? Did he know but never experienced it before? Not sure. I do think he’s in the area, possibly just outside of the search area. No foul play. IMO

 

[Valiant]

Despite the new facts we've learned from the announcement, there has been no evidence made available that he did in fact smoke anything that night. No evidence in the car that we've been told about. No conversations. No evidence of consumption mentioned amongst the belongings found along the road. I didn't even see a lighter mentioned. So it's just speculation that drugs somehow caused the accident or his behavior afterwards,

 

[Maplesyrup]

Starts at about 11.48:

Really cool to see the area where his car was found on the map, up close and personal, in a video, with Gray's direction. I recommend this one for anyone following closely. John Lordan's was good, too.

I was online watching Gray late last night. He does a great job.

 

[Rosiebones]

Despite the new facts we've learned from the announcement, there has been no evidence made available that he did in fact smoke anything that night. No evidence in the car that we've been told about. No conversations. No evidence of consumption mentioned amongst the belongings found along the road. I didn't even see a lighter mentioned. So it's just speculation that drugs somehow caused the accident or his behavior afterwards,

I agree with your observations, but on the other hand, LE may know if there was a half smoked something (sorry, i don't know the proper name for it) on the floor or a lighter, they may be holding that information back.
We speculate on what we know here, and also suggest scenarios that may fit the facts that have been released.
The facts that I cannot reconcile are:
Why was he so far up Salt Flat Road?
Why was he going fast enough to spin out, travel across a grassy area and hit a tree hard enough to cause that damage, it seems that he would have been going slower, looking for a place to turn around ?
Why did he take off all of his clothes, even his watch and especially his shoes which would have made walking anywhere painful?

 

[kittythehare]

Despite the new facts we've learned from the announcement, there has been no evidence made available that he did in fact smoke anything that night. No evidence in the car that we've been told about. No conversations. No evidence of consumption mentioned amongst the belongings found along the road. I didn't even see a lighter mentioned. So it's just speculation that drugs somehow caused the accident or his behavior afterwards,

I agree.
BUT, the fact that LE mentioned the possibility that his weed was laced means it's something that must inform the new search...
The first was searching for a possible head injured person and it's likely that search focused on the places a head injured person would go, because they are trained in such things.
A person who was essentially spiked and took a bad trip is likely to have chosen a completely different terrain..
As was suggested above I think it's more likely he went for a smoke shortly after the accident rather than before and was expecting a nice clean hit of weed but received something entirely different which affected him mentally, and physically, he overheated. Stripped, even wristwatch because he felt encumbered or oppressed by anything touching his skin, is my speculation.
I think it has to be considered search team wise.
They're good SARS.
Maybe they looked low when he was on higher ground, something like that but not exactly that because they searched a massive area, high and low, from above and from below too.
I have a sense he will be found by a searcher on foot, not air... But that's just me speculating.

 

[happyday]

Despite the new facts we've learned from the announcement, there has been no evidence made available that he did in fact smoke anything that night. No evidence in the car that we've been told about. No conversations. No evidence of consumption mentioned amongst the belongings found along the road. I didn't even see a lighter mentioned. So it's just speculation that drugs somehow caused the accident or his behavior afterwards,

It is speculation using the facts we do know, but there are not many things that would cause one to strip ALL his clothes in the middle of the road after a car accident and disappear leaving all personal belongings in the car or in the road.
Of the things I can think of, certain drugs certainly could cause that and right now it seems the most likely to me. The other things I can think of would be:

1) Head injury (no evidence of any serious injury, we know he was able to walk away from the car, and some on here say although a head injury might raise body temp it would be rare to affect him so quickly and for him to strip all his clothes and then be able to make it far enough not to be found.)
2) mental break/psychosis not drug related. (Possible, but no evidence of a history of mental illness.)

Other things that reinforce the drug theory is LE seems to at least suspect the marijuana is laced and just the fact there were some drugs in his stuff makes it possible.

I think drug induced psychosis could mean he’s further away than they think.JMO

 

[Rosiebones]

Google Maps
I just took a Google Street Walk up and down Salt Flat Rd gain looking for anything of interest and I noted that except for intersections and the couple of abandoned houses, both sides of the road have intact wire fencing that appears in good condition except for one or two small areas. This would have prevented him from going off into fields etc. and would have kept on roads for a longer period of time. It seems that he wouldn't want to have been climbing over barbed wire fences with no clothes on, or if he tried he would still be there. MOO MOO MOO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I agree.
BUT, the fact that LE mentioned the possibility that his weed was laced means it's something that must inform the new search...
The first was searching for a possible head injured person and it's likely that search focused on the places a head injured person would go, because they are trained in such things.
A person who was essentially spiked and took a bad trip is likely to have chosen a completely different terrain..
As was suggested above I think it's more likely he went for a smoke shortly after the accident rather than before and was expecting a nice clean hit of weed but received something entirely different which affected him mentally, and physically, he overheated. Stripped, even wristwatch because he felt encumbered or oppressed by anything touching his skin, is my speculation.
I think it has to be considered search team wise.
They're good SARS.
Maybe they looked low when he was on higher ground, something like that but not exactly that because they searched a massive area, high and low, from above and from below too.
I have a sense he will be found by a searcher on foot, not air... But that's just me speculating.

I am sorry, but i have to disagree. They never said they were looking for a possible head injured person. In fact, they said he did not sustain a fatal injury and walked away from the accident. Which by now, we know they know because of the clothes.

 

[kittythehare]

I am sorry, but i have to disagree. They never said they were looking for a possible head injured person. In fact, they said he did not sustain a fatal injury and walked away from the accident. Which by now, we know they know because of the clothes.

They do not have to say it.
They are however trained professionals and they are fully versed in head injuries and their implications.
They based their 'not seriously injured' statement upon the small quantity of blood discovered on his clothes and they qualified that fact in their most recent statement.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am sorry, but i have to disagree. They never said they were looking for a possible head injured person. In fact, they said he did not sustain a fatal injury and walked away from the accident. Which by now, we know they know because of the clothes.

How could they possibly know he had not suffered a head injury without examining him? A head injury doesn't have to be fatal and there doesn't have to be blood. Imo

 

[K9Enzo]

Google Maps
I just took a Google Street Walk up and down Salt Flat Rd gain looking for anything of interest and I noted that except for intersections and the couple of abandoned houses, both sides of the road have intact wire fencing that appears in good condition except for one or two small areas. This would have prevented him from going off into fields etc. and would have kept on roads for a longer period of time. It seems that he wouldn't want to have been climbing over barbed wire fences with no clothes on, or if he tried he would still be there. MOO MOO MOO

Nice work & observations. IMO

 

[kittythehare]

How could they possibly know he had not suffered a head injury without examining him? A head injury doesn't have to be fatal and there doesn't have to be blood. Imo

You're quite right
incidence of spontaneous aneurysmal cerebralruptures while driving - Google Search

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I guess if I am going to state what I think most likely happened it is that he has just not been found and was likely in an altered mental state or physical state due to drugs. But, I have a hard time reconciling so many things, namely that he wasn't found. That leads me to consider the ever so remote far-out things. Please don't call this a conspiracy theory either. It is not. It is a what-if scenario.

What if indeed the drugs were not drugs that Jason actually used himself or planned to use? It is much harder to hide the smell of weed on your person or car than it is to hide a THC pen. I wonder if he had one? I mean typically people don't roll their own blunts ahead of time like that and typically don't buy them prerolled. So I am wondering if he was truly planning to sell them? Maybe he was going to take them to someone with less experience rolling?

In my state medical marijuana is legal and I can drive down the road and smell it from the car in front of me so I know that people are able to smoke it and drive. But, I would think that a college kid whose dad is a pastor and likely paying for his college is not likely to bring home a car that smells like weed on Christmas break. So, for me, I don't think he was smoking in the car on the way home. I don't think he was smoking while driving either. For him to be able to smoke those blunts he would have to be able to not smoke them at home, not in his car, and no have the smell linger on his clothes, I would assume.....So smoking blunts at home seems risky when a thc pen would be much simpler with no smell. So that leaves me wondering about two albeit far-out ideas.

1. He stopped to sell to someone and the deal went bad, they took him in the trunk, they took off and crashed out then made Jason get out and strip off his clothes and walk away knowing he would not find help in time because of the location and temperatures. Possibly even followed him for a time and then killed him. They left just enough drugs to make it look like it was Jason's personal stash but Jason actually had more and they stole it. Earlier in the thread it was questioned how you would know he was not forced to take off his clothes. I would love that answer too because I can't imagine any way you would know. Clothes not torn, well ok, I would think they could be taken off without being torn and still be forced. Part of me wonders if that is a statement to make a perp feel comfortable? We know that cartels do this, many different perps do this to their victims. Citing a couple examples: Masked Man Carjacks Victim and Takes Clothes Too
SAPD: Carjacking suspect left victim naked on the street
Gibson suspected of beating up man and making him run away naked


2. Jason stopped, made a buy of the drugs found, and while there enjoyed a bong hit with someone that he bought from that was laced. That hit him as he was driving, crashed, and body just not found. Someone local knows a lot more and those close to this person know a lot more too. Likely experienced the same effects as Jason.

I think it might be somewhat common for some students from San Marcos to live in Luling. I don't think it would be that uncommon a place for someone to meet a dealer. Although....dealers typically do not come to you.

Proving a bit my Venmo posts in this thread, this case of recent arrests in Austin indicated that payments for the drugs were made via Venmo and Paypal and an app similar to doordash. I can't discuss Jason's individual transactions or link the names involved, obviously, but there are definite signs of drug transactions there where Jason was on the receiving end of the money, imho. 13 Charged in Drug Sales Over Apps Near University of Texas

 

[cluciano63]

I would be surprised if he bought the weed anywhere except via the college campus...but jmo. Also I am surprised testing is not complete, though labs are overworked. I do not think the weed is automatically tampered with just because LE mentioned the possibility.

Also I feel like they have been 100% honest and are not withholding any info. In a case like this, why should they? They have repeatedly stated that they they believe he was alone, in a single-car accident. I disbelieve any idea of him being “removed” from the scene. But all jmo.

 

[Curious_in_NC]

Very fast, when inhaled an immediate exchange of gases takes place within the little sacs of the lungs.. less than a minute, possibly two.
Oral ingestion takes up to 30 minutes to kick in depending upon existing stomach contents.
Sorry I misread your specific question, I addressed general effects of normal weed.
I know nothing about the effects of inhaling a hallucinogen, visible effects would be just as quick, others depending upon nature and type of hallucinogen.
People have referred to PCP but it could have been simple acid (LSD), that can be fast too.
Also depends upon specific effects of specific drug.. and whether the stripping was due to sudden increased body temperature or inspired by a specific hallucination... one being physiological the other psychic..
Would need to study the specific pharmodynamics of whichever drug they find, if they confirm one.
They are all vastly different.

I was intrigued by this. LSD, as its tartrate salt, is quite nonvolatile and it is unstable in its free base form, so lacing weed with LSD in either form and smoking it would be a waste of good drug. However, that's not exactly how it's done.
How To Know If Your Weed Is Laced | High Times
"Instead, the process involves dosing the mouth tip of a joint or pre-roll with acid. When you smoke the wrap, your mouth absorbs the LSD, and away you go."
So basically it is through oral ingestion which would take 30 minutes or longer to have any effect. Not sure how or if this fits the timeline. Lysergic acid diethylamide - Wikipedia

I don't yet buy into the drug laced weed theory, especially since there's no test results. Blunts also seem like a pretty inefficient way to smoke suggesting this was low grade pot. But if the blunts came pre-rolled it's at least a possibility. I also would think lacing them with PCP would be more likely than with LSD in this scenario given PCP's more dissociative and psychotic effects.

 

[kittythehare]

I was intrigued by this. LSD, as its tartrate salt, is quite nonvolatile and it is unstable in its free base form, so lacing weed with LSD in either form and smoking it would be a waste of good drug. However, that's not exactly how it's done.
How To Know If Your Weed Is Laced | High Times
"Instead, the process involves dosing the mouth tip of a joint or pre-roll with acid. When you smoke the wrap, your mouth absorbs the LSD, and away you go."
So basically it is through oral ingestion which would take 30 minutes or longer to have any effect. Not sure how or if this fits the timeline. Lysergic acid diethylamide - Wikipedia

I don't yet buy into the drug laced weed theory, especially since there's no test results. Blunts also seem like a pretty inefficient way to smoke suggesting this was low grade pot. But if the blunts came pre-rolled it's at least a possibility. I also would think lacing them with PCP would be more likely than with LSD in this scenario given PCP's more dissociative and psychotic effects.

Good point, well made.
I imagine there was some kind of a field test carried out on the weed and the blunts for them to mention it at all. I believe a full laboratory test will confirm.
That presser was tight, very tight, they wouldn't have mentioned speculatively. They found something. I feel sure. Something as specific as a hallucinogen.
Spliff could indeed have been dipped!
What other hallucinogens are possible?
I know PCP is the most common but there are others, either dipped like you described so well or volatile?
Are 'shrooms a thing still?
They can be dried and smoked.

 

[happyday]

I guess if I am going to state what I think most likely happened it is that he has just not been found and was likely in an altered mental state or physical state due to drugs. But, I have a hard time reconciling so many things, namely that he wasn't found. That leads me to consider the ever so remote far-out things. Please don't call this a conspiracy theory either. It is not. It is a what-if scenario.

What if indeed the drugs were not drugs that Jason actually used himself or planned to use? It is much harder to hide the smell of weed on your person or car than it is to hide a THC pen. I wonder if he had one? I mean typically people don't roll their own blunts ahead of time like that and typically don't buy them prerolled. So I am wondering if he was truly planning to sell them? Maybe he was going to take them to someone with less experience rolling?

In my state medical marijuana is legal and I can drive down the road and smell it from the car in front of me so I know that people are able to smoke it and drive. But, I would think that a college kid whose dad is a pastor and likely paying for his college is not likely to bring home a car that smells like weed on Christmas break. So, for me, I don't think he was smoking in the car on the way home. I don't think he was smoking while driving either. For him to be able to smoke those blunts he would have to be able to not smoke them at home, not in his car, and no have the smell linger on his clothes, I would assume.....So smoking blunts at home seems risky when a thc pen would be much simpler with no smell. So that leaves me wondering about two albeit far-out ideas.

1. He stopped to sell to someone and the deal went bad, they took him in the trunk, they took off and crashed out then made Jason get out and strip off his clothes and walk away knowing he would not find help in time because of the location and temperatures. Possibly even followed him for a time and then killed him. They left just enough drugs to make it look like it was Jason's personal stash but Jason actually had more and they stole it. Earlier in the thread it was questioned how you would know he was not forced to take off his clothes. I would love that answer too because I can't imagine any way you would know. Clothes not torn, well ok, I would think they could be taken off without being torn and still be forced. Part of me wonders if that is a statement to make a perp feel comfortable? We know that cartels do this, many different perps do this to their victims. Citing a couple examples: Masked Man Carjacks Victim and Takes Clothes Too
SAPD: Carjacking suspect left victim naked on the street
Gibson suspected of beating up man and making him run away naked


2. Jason stopped, made a buy of the drugs found, and while there enjoyed a bong hit with someone that he bought from that was laced. That hit him as he was driving, crashed, and body just not found. Someone local knows a lot more and those close to this person know a lot more too. Likely experienced the same effects as Jason.

I think it might be somewhat common for some students from San Marcos to live in Luling. I don't think it would be that uncommon a place for someone to meet a dealer. Although....dealers typically do not come to you.

Proving a bit my Venmo posts in this thread, this case of recent arrests in Austin indicated that payments for the drugs were made via Venmo and Paypal and an app similar to doordash. I can't discuss Jason's individual transactions or link the names involved, obviously, but there are definite signs of drug transactions there where Jason was on the receiving end of the money, imho. 13 Charged in Drug Sales Over Apps Near University of Texas

I’ve been thinking along the lines of something like #2 happening.

eta. But I also think it’s possible he smoked a little before he left & he didn’t know it was laced with something.

 

[logical]

Are there scanner logs from the Luling area from that evening? Just curious about what else was going on in the area that night...

 

[diggndeeperstill]

They do not have to say it.
They are however trained professionals and they are fully versed in head injuries and their implications.
They based their 'not seriously injured' statement upon the small quantity of blood discovered on his clothes and they qualified that fact in their most recent statement.

How could they possibly know he had not suffered a head injury without examining him? A head injury doesn't have to be fatal and there doesn't have to be blood. Imo

I do not know the answer and am not trying to say I do. What I am saying is that they said the following on January 8th. BBM which to me does not mean life threatening head injury. Please note they say —- the operator.... Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office continues the search for 21 year old, Jason Landry, who is considered missing. Jason was believed to have been involved in a single vehicle collision on Dec. 13th, 2020 in the area of the 2300 blk of Salt Flat Road. Investigation of that accident scene leads authorities to believe that the operator was able to walk away from the collision with little or no injury. Jason’s cell phone and some personal property were left in the vehicle. Approximately 900 feet to the south of the accident scene, a few articles of clothing and personal effects were discovered in the roadway. Texas Search and Rescue TEXSAR conducted an extensive search in which 3,900+ acres were searched by foot, horse, and canines with another 16,900+ acres by air, using drones, fixed wing and helicopters. The family and friends of Jason have not seen or heard from him since before the accident on Dec. 13th and his whereabouts are currently unknown. The updated missing person flyer includes the most recent picture of Jason, taken the same weekend he went missing. Anyone with information is encouraged to contact Detective Ferry with the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office, 512-398-6777 Ext. 4516 or by email: [email protected]

 

[kittythehare]

I do not know the answer and am not trying to say I do. What I am saying is that they said the following on January 8th. BBM which to me does not mean life threatening head injury. Please note they say —- the operator.... Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office continues the search for 21 year old, Jason Landry, who is considered missing. Jason was believed to have been involved in a single vehicle collision on Dec. 13th, 2020 in the area of the 2300 blk of Salt Flat Road. Investigation of that accident scene leads authorities to believe that the operator was able to walk away from the collision with little or no injury. Jason’s cell phone and some personal property were left in the vehicle. Approximately 900 feet to the south of the accident scene, a few articles of clothing and personal effects were discovered in the roadway. Texas Search and Rescue TEXSAR conducted an extensive search in which 3,900+ acres were searched by foot, horse, and canines with another 16,900+ acres by air, using drones, fixed wing and helicopters. The family and friends of Jason have not seen or heard from him since before the accident on Dec. 13th and his whereabouts are currently unknown. The updated missing person flyer includes the most recent picture of Jason, taken the same weekend he went missing. Anyone with information is encouraged to contact Detective Ferry with the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office, 512-398-6777 Ext. 4516 or by email: [email protected]

It is quite possible to walk a distance having sustained a brain bleed, depending upon severity location etc.
Their most recent statement qualified their original statement which was based upon their accurate analysis that there was minimal blood loss.
Walking 300 yards is possible following either ingestion of a hallucinogen or an acquired or traumatic brain injury.
A high temperature is common with both and the undressing is because of the sensation of intense heat associated with violent headache in a brain injury and with a hallucinogen it's common if it's chemical in origin. Mushrooms can cause hallucination and physical symptoms too but I don't know they are associated with febrile conditions.
The other element is disinhibition, this can occur in both conditions without necessarily having a corresponding high fever.
That's the gist of it. It is a very complex subject and there are too many variants, including
part of brain that is bleeding, could be subdural as well..
This might help, but it's confined to sub arachnoid haemorrhage.
Google
q=temperature+elevations+in+patients+with+sub+arachnoid+haemorrhages&sxsrf=ALeKk02d-i8r9ENufcVAWvyw5zdqueFfZA:1612034409484&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_4t6SsMTuAhX0t3EKHWjZAGAQ_AUI_gEoAA&biw=1229&bih=603

We're working on the various hallucinogen possibilities at mo, hoping @Curious can find better information.