TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

[diggndeeperstill]

Just wanted to add the photos with the post to the thread. I’ll have to do it in two posts. tCaldwell County Sheriff's Office

Tire impressions on Salt Flat Road from Jason's vehicle, leading to the crash.

Rear drivers side, showing impact area with a tree.

 

[lisette]

They said there is no indication that the clothing was removed under duress or threat.

I don't doubt this, but how would they know? (Sorry I can't get the italics off for some reason)

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Wood embedded in vehicle bumper from impact.

Drivers side of Jason Landry's vehicle.

Rear of vehicle.

Last known shirt worn by Jason Landry.

Last known shirt worn by Jason Landry.

Last known shorts worn by Jason Landry.

Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

 

[NancySap]

E Austin St & N Magnolia Ave
Luling, TX 78648
Google Maps


The Sheriff's Office believes the clothing found in the roadway was what Jason was wearing prior to the accident. They said there is no indication that the clothing was removed under duress or threat.

Jason’s vehicle has been processed for DNA and any blood evidence with the assistance of the Texas Rangers. There was no evidence of blood inside the vehicle.

Investigators have reviewed hundreds of hours of video from cameras in and around Luling, none of which have produced anything of use. They are asking anyone with private surveillance cameras on their property in the Luling area to review the footage as soon as possible.

If you have any information, you can call the Caldwell County Sheriff's Office at (512) 398-6777.
Investigators baffled by disappearance of Texas State student, missing since December

Random thought here...I'm wondering if he changed his clothes in the missing 67 minutes time frame. He could have had a change of clothing with him, possibly a sweat shirt and pants, since the weather was turning cold that evening.

 

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Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

Shorts worn by Jason Landry. White tag, has only spot of presumptive blood on clothing.

White tag from Jason's short with spot of presumptive blood.

Spot of presumptive blood on underwear of Jason Landry.

Usable amount of marijuana recovered by TX DPS from Jason's backpack.

edited still photo of Body Worn Camera of the Trooper who initially responded to the scene showing relative location of articles of clothing and backpack, approximately 900 feet south of crash scene.

Still photo of BWC from Trooper showing backpack, plastic bag of personal toiletries, and a plastic tumbler style container with a deceased beta fish.

 

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Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

Jason Landry. Photo taken 12.13.20 at approximately 10:45 PM

Jason Landry. Photo taken 12.13.20 at approximately 10:45 PM

Jason Landry. Photo taken 12.13.20 at approximately 10:45 PM

 

[kittythehare]

I don't doubt this, but how would they know? (Sorry I can't get the italics off for some reason)

They would know because they forensically examined every item and every aspect of the case which they have kindly shared.
There is no actual reason to create a different narrative after so many weeks of conspiracies.
#FindJason

 

[kittythehare]

Random thought here...I'm wondering if he changed his clothes in the missing 67 minutes time frame. He could have had a change of clothing with him, possibly a sweat shirt and pants, since the weather was turning cold that evening.

There is no evidence to suggest he did.
The cold was unlikely to affect the warm interior of his vehicle.
It takes about 5 minutes to change clothes.
His underwear watch and shoes were also left.

 

[kittythehare]

The news report used One (1) word "FILLED".. poor choice of words for sure but nothing else in the report was sensationalized and the news report even gave the source. Mediocre reporting doesn't mean anything more than what it is regardless of who said it. I think it was typed quickly - 90% of the people that read it knew exactly what they meant.

'typed quickly'?
Seriously?
There are no studies or verifiable sources suggesting 90% of people knew what it meant.
the adjective was LOADED!
it caused untold harm to his family, his memory and the status of the case.
A back pack FILLED with narcotics is nothing remotely resembling the few blunts that were actually found.
A FILLED backpack suggests a huge quantity of hard drugs.
This broke his family's hearts.

 

[Gemmie]

Random thought here...I'm wondering if he changed his clothes in the missing 67 minutes time frame. He could have had a change of clothing with him, possibly a sweat shirt and pants, since the weather was turning cold that evening.

I can only speak for myself but if I was in a car and I was getting cold due "the low temperature being recorded around 36 degrees Fahrenheit and a high of 43 degrees." that evening... I would NOT be taking my clothes off outside of my car to change into something warm. Heck, I wouldn't even be stripping down inside my car to change, even if no one could see me on that dark and lonely road. If I was getting cold I'd grab a sweater or coat and put that on OVER my clothes. If you're cold you don't strip down to nothing to put something warmer on. You add layers. Again, speaking only for myself. Who am I to say someone else wouldn't strip down to nothing in order to put warm clothes on? LOL Lord knows I've seen and heard stranger things...

 

[Rosiebones]

The time line, corroborated by cameras, of his trip from San Marco down to Luling does not show time for any stops, therefore, no carjacking. The pictures taken, show him to be wearing the same shirt as was discarded at the scene.

I have worked all my life with TBI's (traumatic brain injuries) and taking off of all clothing down to shoes, watch and underwear so soon after the trauma itself is exceptionally rare. Brain bleeds can take hours to develop to the point of producing these symptoms. This seems unusual to me particularly when there was no blood on the windshield or steering wheel or on his tee shirt.
On the other hand, the removal of all clothing etc. is so much more likely with bad drug interactions.
If he had no shoes on, it seems he would have been found so much closer to the road. Have they searched all storm drains etc. places where he may have burrowed into. MOO MOO MOO

 

[Gemmie]

I have worked all my life with TBI's (traumatic brain injuries) and taking off of all clothing down to shoes, watch and underwear so soon after the trauma itself is exceptionally rare. Brain bleeds can take hours to develop to the point of producing these symptoms. This seems unusual to me particularly when there was no blood on the windshield or steering wheel or on his tee shirt.
On the other hand, the removal of all clothing etc. is so much more likely with bad drug interactions.
If he had no shoes on, it seems he would have been found so much closer to the road. Have they searched all storm drains etc. places where he may have burrowed into. MOO MOO MOO

BBM.

I'm not entirely certain this would be true in all cases. I know that I'd be hobbling around and 'OUCH OUCH OUCH'ing all the way but there's nothing wrong with me (no accident or drugs taken). Sometimes they just don't feel the pain and likely could have made it a ways ending up with bruised and bloody feet.

But I too think he's nearby-ish and likely in a storm drain or some sort of thing he could have burrowed or fallen into. It's all very sad.

 

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Caldwell County Sheriff's Office
Ok, I took the press release and snipped and bolded some parts and added my questions and analytical thoughts in blue. If anyone wants to discuss.




Investigators have now gained access to most of Jason’s phone and computer data. Investigators are still waiting for some search warrants from social media/ tech companies to be returned and will immediately process that data upon receipt.

We are asking the public’s assistance with any information which may further the investigation.

At 11:11 PM, Jason As Jason goes through the intersection of Hackberry St. where Hwy 80 becomes Austin St., Jason quits using the Waze application, and begins using the Snapchat application on his cell. Jason continues on Austin St. to the intersection with U.S. Hwy. 183 (Magnolia Ave.). It is believed that Jason continued straight through that intersection, continuing onto E. Austin. At this intersection, Jason’s digital footprint essentially stops. It is believed that he continues on E. Austin onto Spruce St. which turns into Salt Flat Road. I wonder how and why they believe it continued on? Do they spot it on camera somewhere? Or is it just because of the location it ended up?
Jason’s vehicle is found abandoned in the 2300 block of Salt Flat Road at 31 minutes after Midnight on 12.14.20.

The approximate 67 minute window, between the last data footprint at Austin and Magnolia and the discovery of the crash scene, is what investigators are focusing on. Jason’s phone had cell signal and was powered on, investigators are still trying to determine why it doesn’t appear to have been used since the area of Magnolia Ave. and Austin St. Which makes sense to question this because if he was using Waze before he started using Snapchat why wouldn’t he go back to using Waze? Something happened at that intersection. I’m not sure he was ever in that car alone again.

The volunteer firefighter, who discovered Jason’s abandoned vehicle, did not enter the vehicle. The Trooper who responded to the scene, almost an hour later, also did not enter the vehicle.

Are they telling this to squash questions about dogs scent problems?

Jason’s vehicle has been processed for DNA and any blood evidence with the assistance of the Texas Rangers. There was no evidence of blood inside the vehicle.
Someone else’s DNA wouldn’t tell anything correct? Could they run all prints found?

There is no evidence that Jason was traveling to meet with or had communicated intent to meet with anyone in or around Luling.
I’m going to analyze it’s like we always do statements from LE. They say there is no evidence because they have no evidence right now. This does not mean that they will not ever have evidence. They also stated they do not have access to all of his social media. To me it’s possible they don’t have access to Snapchat and that could easily be where a meet up was arranged.


At this time, there is no evidence that an unknown person of interest is involved in this incident and investigators believe that there is no threat to our community.
Again, “at this time”
Investigators have reviewed hundreds of hours of video from cameras in and around Luling, none of which have produced any evidentiary findings.
I’m guessing they mean during that 67 minutes? Guessing they have video somewhere of him being alone in car.
Members of the public, who have game cameras on private property, or private surveillance video from the area, are encouraged to review that as soon as possible. You may contact our office for assistance in reviewing video, if needed.
Yep, I suggested that as did others here. Too bad it wasn’t suggested during the search. I personally can find landowners nearby posting game camera video so I know it’s out there. There’s also an app that shows deer blinds in the area. Does anybody have that one?
Please review the most current missing person flyer, with an updated picture showing Jason within an hour of him going missing.

Anyone with information is encouraged to contact any of the following investigators:

Detective Ferry with the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office, 512-398-6777 Ext. 4516 or by email: [email protected]

Investigator Abel Pena, with PM Investigations by phone: (210) 954-1476 or by email: [email protected]
I’m curious how this works. Does the state employ them? https://www.pminvestigations.org/pminvestigationscom
20 years former FBI

Investigator Tuleta Copeland, with Leverage Investigations at [email protected]
20 years former FBI

My thoughts on hiring these two PI firms that have extensive FBI backgrounds. They suspect or know that this is drug related and with the recent huge FBI stings involving cartels in and around Caldwell county I’m going to bet this could be related.

I also hope that they have spoken to anyone he had the Venmo transactions with.

 

[happyday]

Every time I see pics of the car I think it looks not that terrible up at the driver’s side. The back of the car looks like it took the biggest hit. Obviously he could have hit his head on something just the right way, but when I see the pics I start thinking drugs could be the cause of wreck, undressing and wandering away. I go back and forth, but the wreck just doesn’t look fatal to me.

 

[happyday]

Investigators have now gained access to most of Jason’s phone and computer data. Investigators are still waiting for some search warrants from social media/ tech companies to be returned and will immediately process that data upon receipt.

I think they’re waiting on Snapchat for sure. Maybe others too. They know he used it at that intersection, so I do think they’re trying to get the person he was communicating with to come forward.

 

[nannymo]

The time line, corroborated by cameras, of his trip from San Marco down to Luling does not show time for any stops, therefore, no carjacking. The pictures taken, show him to be wearing the same shirt as was discarded at the scene.

I have worked all my life with TBI's (traumatic brain injuries) and taking off of all clothing down to shoes, watch and underwear so soon after the trauma itself is exceptionally rare. Brain bleeds can take hours to develop to the point of producing these symptoms. This seems unusual to me particularly when there was no blood on the windshield or steering wheel or on his tee shirt.
On the other hand, the removal of all clothing etc. is so much more likely with bad drug interactions.
If he had no shoes on, it seems he would have been found so much closer to the road. Have they searched all storm drains etc. places where he may have burrowed into. MOO MOO MOO

Thank you Rosiebones! I cannot help but see that his latest picture is not as "clean cut" as the first. I am wondering if he was recently involved with some different friends who were getting him into some drug activity his parents were totally unaware of. I realize a lot of kids (and adults) use marijuana without getting into other drugs, but so many drugs lately have been laced with harder stuff, I am leaning towards this being what went down.

Do drug dealers lace your marijuana with something stronger to get you hooked? I think you are on the spot with what happened. They need to look again. He has to be close by.

 

[swedeheart]

So yesterday, I read about a case of 2 Texas A & M students, one found dead in his dorm room, and the other was missing. I just saw on ABC news that the missing student was also found dead, miles from campus, after being missing for 2 days.

Body found during search for missing Texas A&M Galveston student

I realize Galveston is a few hours away from UT, where Jason went to school, but I'm starting to think there is a bad batch of drugs going around TX campuses. That's the only thing that makes sense, other than Covid, is it not?

Follow the minute-by-minute timeline leading up to missing Missouri City student's crash

 

[lisette]

They would know because they forensically examined every item and every aspect of the case which they have kindly shared.
There is no actual reason to create a different narrative after so many weeks of conspiracies.
#FindJason

I wasn’t trying to create a new narrative. I appreciate all the work they have done in this case.I was genuinely curious on how they would know that. I’m sorry if you thought I was doubting them, because I clearly said I didn’t doubt it… Just wondered how they could determine that.

 

[Rosiebones]

Every time I see pics of the car I think it looks not that terrible up at the driver’s side. The back of the car looks like it took the biggest hit. Obviously he could have hit his head on something just the right way, but when I see the pics I start thinking drugs could be the cause of wreck, undressing and wandering away. I go back and forth, but the wreck just doesn’t look fatal to me.

ITA and the car did not roll over, it spun. There was no blood on his tee shirt or inside the car, I would have thought as the car came to a halt and if he had a head injury he would have put his hand to his head and it would have been covered in blood. But, there were no reported smudges inside the car as he crawled across to the passenger side to get out.
There was no blood transferred to his clothing as he took it off. I don't think an open head injury occurred.

 

[swedeheart]

Every time I see pics of the car I think it looks not that terrible up at the driver’s side. The back of the car looks like it took the biggest hit. Obviously he could have hit his head on something just the right way, but when I see the pics I start thinking drugs could be the cause of wreck, undressing and wandering away. I go back and forth, but the wreck just doesn’t look fatal to me.

I can't help but agree with you @happyday. And LE has even said they don't believe he was fatally injured.

Can't you use Snapchat to locate a friends' exact location, and even see their avatar on a map? Could he have been meeting someone out there for some reason? (Not even saying that the friend did anything nefarious. I do think this is going to be drug- related, but I'm leaning more towards drugs gone bad.)