TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #5

[kittythehare]

There is no evidence to suggest Jason had been smoking weed in the course of his 30 minute journey, in his father's car, bearing in mind that weed literally clings to vehicle upholstery. Only that he had some, a small quantity in his backpack, not exactly where one would keep it if one was planning on using it for a long journey.

There is NO evidence that Jason was in any way inebriated with any substance , including alcohol.

There is NO evidence that Jason suffered any kind of mental breakdown. he had packed his vehicle for his trip, talked with a friend before he left his apartment and set out on his journey. It would need to be a very rapid onset psychosis and it simply does not happen like that.

I believe he went straight at the wobbly traffic lights instead of turning right. It was only his second time doing that journey and his father pointed out in his long interview that the sign is actually quite small and easily missed, so he went straight, having lost his waze due to phone dropping into that awkward spot where he couldn't retrieve it. It's possible, if not likely he stopped the vehicle and spent a while trying to get it out of there before giving up on it. Then he continued on, mistook the SLR for a layby that would lead him back to the main road at some point.

I have no idea what happened then. He crashed.
No accident scene was preserved. No evidence of any use located or even sought until it was far too late.

 

[SimplyCass]

I believe he went straight at the wobbly traffic lights instead of turning right. It was only his second time doing that journey and his father pointed out in his long interview that the sign is actually quite small and easily missed, so he went straight, having lost his waze due to phone dropping into that awkward spot where he couldn't retrieve it. It's possible, if not likely he stopped the vehicle and spent a while trying to get it out of there before giving up on it. Then he continued on, mistook the SLR for a layby that would lead him back to the main road at some point.

[Snipped and bolded for focus]

LE has described it as him closing the Waze app and opening Snapchat. That requires user input...or does it? If JL has the Waze app open and a snap comes in, he has to at least hit the notification for it to switch to the Snapchat app.

and he would have had to done that before dropping the phone? And then the "digital trail" goes cold and nothing is known about his movements until the VFF calls in the abandoned car at 12:30 or so.

The whole situation is extremely puzzling to say the least.

 

[dcfi224]

Snipped and bolder by me.

I would also wonder if the toxicology testing done is able to test for all the different psychoactive drugs that there are nowadays? Does anyone know? I know there are some crazy new things that I didn't even know about until recently. I have read how using MDMA or Molly combined with alcohol can increase the risk for drug-induced hyperthermia.

Can drug analysis identify these substances? Yes!

BUT, the availability and capability of such testing varies by facility/lab.

Newer and novel psychoactive substances have an array of different chemical structures, and trying to keep up with identifying them all is very challenging (and surely expensive). Each facility also likely has a “standard” screen that they run the drugs against, which may or may not include drugs like MDMA or Molly, and they may have to request permission to run more specific tests due to costs.

From the Texas DPS Crime Laboratory Division Manual: Laboratory Customer Handbook
24 Seized Drugs Analysis
24.1 Scope of Services

A. The Laboratory provides analysis of evidence for the presence of controlled substances, including pharmaceutical and illicit drugs, plant material, edibles, paraphernalia, and related liquid and powder chemicals.
B. Routine seized drug analysis may include any of the following services, at the discretion of the Laboratory:

1. Determination of net or gross weight, chemical screening examinations, instrumental confirmation tests, and pharmaceutical identification of tablets/capsules.
2. Some exhibits may not be analyzed depending on circumstances of the case.​

I also found this... However, this was under the Toxicology section, which referred to "analysis in biological specimens" (e.g., blood or urine), so the limitations as to what they can test for (testing the physical drug vs. drugs found in the specimen) could theoretically be different:

25 Toxicology (Alcohol/Volatiles and/or Drugs)Analysis
25.2 Service Limitations

A.New designer drugs,such as bath salts and synthetic cannabinoids, are continually being produced. However, the Laboratory may not have the capability to detect and/or confirm all drugs within these categories.
B.The Laboratory cannot detect and/or confirm the following: lithium, psilocybin (mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), GHB,and LSD.
C.The Laboratory does not detect, confirm or include on a reportt he following: antibiotics, diabetic medications, diuretics, and heart/blood pressure medications.

1.If a specific drug is listed as suspected and falls under one of these categories, the report may list them as a drug that the laboratory does not test for.
​

txdpslabs.qualtraxcloud.com/ShowDocument.aspx?ID=67707\

I wish we knew the results of the tests done on the marijuana found in Jason's bag. Whether he had ingested them or not prior to that trip, I think the information would be helpful (ex: IF synthetic compounds or other substances were detected -> I may lean more towards the idea of a bad reaction (though I certainly recognize the risk for a reaction towards pure marijuana as a possibility as well)). I continue go back and forth from one possible scenario to the next.

 

[happyday]

There is NO evidence that Jason was in any way inebriated with any substance , including alcohol.

Well maybe not physical evidence but he took off all his clothes in the road, left all his importance stuff in the road and phone in the car, and then he disappeared, presumably naked, into the cold night. For me there are two possible reasons: 1) head injury or 2) drug reaction. Sure there are a number of other possible scenarios, but only these two make sense to me.

 

[Gobstopper]

And I have to apologize for my long post above. Sorry! lol

Another thing to add that I brought up earlier in this thread is the fact that Jason's brain was not fully developed at his age. You can Google for it to read more on this. Here is one such example:

Understanding the Teen Brain
It doesn’t matter how smart teens are or how well they scored on the SAT or ACT. Good judgment isn’t something they can excel in, at least not yet.

The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so.

In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part.

In teens' brains, the connections between the emotional part of the brain and the decision-making center are still developing—and not always at the same rate. That’s why when teens have overwhelming emotional input, they can’t explain later what they were thinking. They weren’t thinking as much as they were feeling.

So, while I'm not claiming to be an expert on this (I'm clearly not), perhaps smoking pot for those with brains not fully developed can have different reactions than for adults (over age 25). Sure, they think they are adults, after all... they are allowed to get their driver's licenses and enlist in the military, but they are not adults as far as brain development goes. But that's a whole other conversation...

And isn't the vff a teen, only around 18 or 19? MOO

 

[Gemmie]

And isn't the vff a teen, only around 18 or 19? MOO

Close. He's actually only 17. He turns 18 on May 26th. So his brain's gotta whole lotta growin' up to do. lol

And dat is fact, no MOO there.

 

[adelynschmidt]

There is no evidence to suggest Jason had been smoking weed in the course of his 30 minute journey, in his father's car, bearing in mind that weed literally clings to vehicle upholstery. Only that he had some, a small quantity in his backpack, not exactly where one would keep it if one was planning on using it for a long journey.

There is NO evidence that Jason was in any way inebriated with any substance , including alcohol.

There is NO evidence that Jason suffered any kind of mental breakdown. he had packed his vehicle for his trip, talked with a friend before he left his apartment and set out on his journey. It would need to be a very rapid onset psychosis and it simply does not happen like that.

I believe he went straight at the wobbly traffic lights instead of turning right. It was only his second time doing that journey and his father pointed out in his long interview that the sign is actually quite small and easily missed, so he went straight, having lost his waze due to phone dropping into that awkward spot where he couldn't retrieve it. It's possible, if not likely he stopped the vehicle and spent a while trying to get it out of there before giving up on it. Then he continued on, mistook the SLR for a layby that would lead him back to the main road at some point.

I have no idea what happened then. He crashed.
No accident scene was preserved. No evidence of any use located or even sought until it was far too late.

Good points, we definitely don't know for sure if he was using the weed or any drugs or substances before the crash. Seems like he would have had the weed more accesible if he was using it, not zipped up in a backpack.

It's so hard to figure anything out in this case because the accident scene was messed up. There's no way the tow truck driver could have known that it would be important but it really stinks that the car was moved so quickly.

Edit: forgot I had started typing something yesterday that I changed my mind about & it didn't delete lol

 

[diggndeeperstill]

As far as gang activity being related to Jason's dissapearance, I have not found any news article to suggest that Luling or Caldwell county is experiencing high gang violence. Even searching for crime in Luling brings up mostly articles about Jason.
According to Texas' 2019 Crime Report (https://www.dps.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/crimereports/19/cit2019.pdfhttps://www.dps.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/crimereports/19/cit2019.pdf) major urban areas are where the activity is. Cities like Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio. Perhaps I'm wrong but I just don't see abduction by a gang as a possibility. As far as we know jason is not involved in heavy drug use (the weed in his backpack was only a small amount, imo not an addict) or other dangerous activities. Again, I could be totally wrong!

I actually do see it as a possibility if he was buying or selling to them. I have linked articles before of large groups of people being arrested and being a part of the Texas Syndicate gang in and around Luling. Here are a few articles:
17 Texas Syndicate Members and Associates Arrested Based on Federal Indictment Alleging Meth/Heroin Trafficking in and around Austin

https://seguintoday.com/2020/02/12/operation-sinner-results-in-21-arrest-12-from-seguin-area/

Not only "gang" but cartel links.
Drug raids lead to 12 arrests, who may have ties to Mexican drug cartels
The DEA said ti believes he ran an operation to get meth from Mexican cartels and then distributed it from the border, to San Antonio and all the way up to Fort Worth.

Snipped and bolder by me.

Can drug analysis identify these substances? Yes!

BUT, the availability and capability of such testing varies by facility/lab.

Newer and novel psychoactive substances have an array of different chemical structures, and trying to keep up with identifying them all is very challenging (and surely expensive). Each facility also likely has a “standard” screen that they run the drugs against, which may or may not include drugs like MDMA or Molly, and they may have to request permission to run more specific tests due to costs.

From the Texas DPS Crime Laboratory Division Manual: Laboratory Customer Handbook
24 Seized Drugs Analysis
24.1 Scope of Services

A. The Laboratory provides analysis of evidence for the presence of controlled substances, including pharmaceutical and illicit drugs, plant material, edibles, paraphernalia, and related liquid and powder chemicals.
B. Routine seized drug analysis may include any of the following services, at the discretion of the Laboratory:

1. Determination of net or gross weight, chemical screening examinations, instrumental confirmation tests, and pharmaceutical identification of tablets/capsules.
2. Some exhibits may not be analyzed depending on circumstances of the case.​

I also found this... However, this was under the Toxicology section, which referred to "analysis in biological specimens" (e.g., blood or urine), so the limitations as to what they can test for (testing the physical drug vs. drugs found in the specimen) could theoretically be different:

25 Toxicology (Alcohol/Volatiles and/or Drugs)Analysis
25.2 Service Limitations

A.New designer drugs,such as bath salts and synthetic cannabinoids, are continually being produced. However, the Laboratory may not have the capability to detect and/or confirm all drugs within these categories.
B.The Laboratory cannot detect and/or confirm the following: lithium, psilocybin (mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), GHB,and LSD.
C.The Laboratory does not detect, confirm or include on a reportt he following: antibiotics, diabetic medications, diuretics, and heart/blood pressure medications.

1.If a specific drug is listed as suspected and falls under one of these categories, the report may list them as a drug that the laboratory does not test for.
​

txdpslabs.qualtraxcloud.com/ShowDocument.aspx?ID=67707\

I wish we knew the results of the tests done on the marijuana found in Jason's bag. Whether he had ingested them or not prior to that trip, I think the information would be helpful (ex: IF synthetic compounds or other substances were detected -> I may lean more towards the idea of a bad reaction (though I certainly recognize the risk for a reaction towards pure marijuana as a possibility as well)). I continue go back and forth from one possible scenario to the next.

Thank you so much for linking this information and helping me understand. I hope the local department, CCSO had the weed tested in a lab that could test for these "service limitations". I know once I had looked up how to be an FBI accredited lab and I would assume that if the lab is accredited they would be able to do the most extensive testing. But, when the FBI is not involved in a case, which lab to send to is clearly up to the local LE. I would hope that the results of testing would be swift and thorough as clearly those results may indicate the possibilities in this case, IMHO. If laced or dipped purposefully then where did he get it and could those people be responsible for his disappearance?

 

[kittythehare]

Well maybe not physical evidence but he took off all his clothes in the road, left all his importance stuff in the road and phone in the car, and then he disappeared, presumably naked, into the cold night. For me there are two possible reasons: 1) head injury or 2) drug reaction. Sure there are a number of other possible scenarios, but only these two make sense to me.

My post stopped at the wobbly traffic lights where he went straight instead of turning right, a simple mistake anyone could have made, not attributable to inebriation.

There are many possible scenarios and we have explored them all in detail and repeatedly.

People remove their clothes because they feel hot or are under orders to strip.
A head injury will lead to a spiking temperature but the heat is generally just felt in the head.
A pyrexia from illness, like infection would lead to a more generalised heat throughout the entire body and could lead to disrobing.
If either phenomena had caused his death, I would have expected him to have been found before now.
And yes, I'm aware that many are not but in this case we had excellent SAR's with stellar reputations searching for him and they used advanced technical equipment in the course of their searches.

That they did not find him leads me to believe he is not there.

 

[vislaw]

Hello all! @diggndeeperstill informed me of this thread and asked if I might assist with satellite imagery after giving me the rectangular coordinates of an area of interest. We subscribe to some services we use in our forensic work and I'm happy to assist. If we can't acquire useful imagery from our services we can still determine which of the major high-resolution satellites have covered the area in question. I was told "Looking for imagery before Dec 13th 2020 and after Dec 14th 2020" ... I can report that our services don't have good imagery after December 14th and I will check the coverage prior to the 13th to see how recent we have anything. I'll also start checking on the commercial sites for more recent imagery and will report accordingly.

My wife, Abbe, works with me and we are both very interested in assisting. Had hoped to join this thread a couple weeks ago but got caught up in a huge trial that just got completed. We'll get up to speed this week and see if we can be of any other assistance to the cause.

Mark (and Abbe)
VISUAL LAW GROUP

 

[fred&edna]

Hello all! @diggndeeperstill informed me of this thread and asked if I might assist with satellite imagery after giving me the rectangular coordinates of an area of interest. We subscribe to some services we use in our forensic work and I'm happy to assist. If we can't acquire useful imagery from our services we can still determine which of the major high-resolution satellites have covered the area in question. I was told "Looking for imagery before Dec 13th 2020 and after Dec 14th 2020" ... I can report that our services don't have good imagery after December 14th and I will check the coverage prior to the 13th to see how recent we have anything. I'll also start checking on the commercial sites for more recent imagery and will report accordingly.

My wife, Abbe, works with me and we are both very interested in assisting. Had hoped to join this thread a couple weeks ago but got caught up in a huge trial that just got completed. We'll get up to speed this week and see if we can be of any other assistance to the cause.

Mark (and Abbe)
VISUAL LAW GROUP

'So glad @diggndeeperstill reached out to you guys!

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Hello all! @diggndeeperstill informed me of this thread and asked if I might assist with satellite imagery after giving me the rectangular coordinates of an area of interest. We subscribe to some services we use in our forensic work and I'm happy to assist. If we can't acquire useful imagery from our services we can still determine which of the major high-resolution satellites have covered the area in question. I was told "Looking for imagery before Dec 13th 2020 and after Dec 14th 2020" ... I can report that our services don't have good imagery after December 14th and I will check the coverage prior to the 13th to see how recent we have anything. I'll also start checking on the commercial sites for more recent imagery and will report accordingly.

My wife, Abbe, works with me and we are both very interested in assisting. Had hoped to join this thread a couple weeks ago but got caught up in a huge trial that just got completed. We'll get up to speed this week and see if we can be of any other assistance to the cause.

Mark (and Abbe)
VISUAL LAW GROUP

Thank you so much for taking a look at this case. I know what an asset you and your expertise could be here. It will be great to see what is available with satellite imagery. The thought was to obviously see what may have changed in the area. I know how imagery can show possible dig sites or other areas with changes that might warrant another look. Let us know what we can do to help.

 

[jondaba]

Has anyone addressed this question:

Why would JL himself, after a crash, take all his belongings out of his car and carry them away?

Musta been heavy and unwieldy!

Why not leave his things, get help and come back and get it all later?

it seems more likely to me that perps took JL’s stuff, were absconding with it, when they got frightened of being caught, and abandoned the stuff and left scene.

Look at the things JL is supposed to have done, AFTER A FATAL AUTOMOBILE CRASH, like:

1. Walk away from car

2. Leave phone

3. Shlep belongings 900 feet

4. Leave the highway - the only place where rescue could come from

5. Traverse barbwire fence

6. walk alone into unfamiliar dark woods

7. Thoroughly conceal or bury himself well enough to elude experienced searchers and animal scavengers, and only then die.

IMHO - JL did not suffer in the crash a fatal head injury - then do activities 1 - 7 and then neatly die well hidden.

why not say Suzanne Morphew suffered a fatal head injury in a bike crash, carried her baby blue helmet some distance away, concealed herself in a manner dogs and searchers could not detect and then died?

 

[jenn83]

Has anyone addressed this question:

Why would JL himself, after a crash, take all his belongings out of his car and carry them away?

Musta been heavy and unwieldy!

Why not leave his things, get help and come back and get it all later?

it seems more likely to me that perps took JL’s stuff, were absconding with it, when they got frightened of being caught, and abandoned the stuff and left scene.

Look at the things JL is supposed to have done, AFTER A FATAL AUTOMOBILE CRASH, like:

1. Walk away from car

2. Leave phone

3. Shlep belongings 900 feet

4. Leave the highway - the only place where rescue could come from

5. Traverse barbwire fence

6. walk alone into unfamiliar dark woods

7. Thoroughly conceal or bury himself well enough to elude experienced searchers and animal scavengers, and only then die.

IMHO - JL did not suffer in the crash a fatal head injury - then do activities 1 - 7 and then neatly die well hidden.

why not say Suzanne Morphew suffered a fatal head injury in a bike crash, carried her baby blue helmet some distance away, concealed herself in a manner dogs and searchers could not detect and then died?

IMO, he had a vehicular accident, maybe from trying to reach the phone he dropped, sustained internal brain injury, was then unable to comprehend that he was injured and needed help, took his clothes off as he was leaving the car and kept walking and he just hasn't been found yet. I will keep saying this because it's the most likely and logical scenario to me.

 

[adelynschmidt]

Hello all! @diggndeeperstill informed me of this thread and asked if I might assist with satellite imagery after giving me the rectangular coordinates of an area of interest. We subscribe to some services we use in our forensic work and I'm happy to assist. If we can't acquire useful imagery from our services we can still determine which of the major high-resolution satellites have covered the area in question. I was told "Looking for imagery before Dec 13th 2020 and after Dec 14th 2020" ... I can report that our services don't have good imagery after December 14th and I will check the coverage prior to the 13th to see how recent we have anything. I'll also start checking on the commercial sites for more recent imagery and will report accordingly.

My wife, Abbe, works with me and we are both very interested in assisting. Had hoped to join this thread a couple weeks ago but got caught up in a huge trial that just got completed. We'll get up to speed this week and see if we can be of any other assistance to the cause.

Mark (and Abbe)
VISUAL LAW GROUP

Hey, thanks for the help! Very curious to see what y'all find!

 

[Gemmie]

Has anyone addressed this question:

Why would JL himself, after a crash, take all his belongings out of his car and carry them away?

Musta been heavy and unwieldy!

Why not leave his things, get help and come back and get it all later?

it seems more likely to me that perps took JL’s stuff, were absconding with it, when they got frightened of being caught, and abandoned the stuff and left scene.

Look at the things JL is supposed to have done, AFTER A FATAL AUTOMOBILE CRASH, like:

1. Walk away from car

2. Leave phone

3. Shlep belongings 900 feet

4. Leave the highway - the only place where rescue could come from

5. Traverse barbwire fence

6. walk alone into unfamiliar dark woods

7. Thoroughly conceal or bury himself well enough to elude experienced searchers and animal scavengers, and only then die.

IMHO - JL did not suffer in the crash a fatal head injury - then do activities 1 - 7 and then neatly die well hidden.

why not say Suzanne Morphew suffered a fatal head injury in a bike crash, carried her baby blue helmet some distance away, concealed herself in a manner dogs and searchers could not detect and then died?

Huh? Who said it was a fatal automobile crash? It was a spinout, on a road where even if he WAS speeding, he couldn't have gone all that fast, and his rear hit a tree. LE also doesn't consider this a fatal accident. If they DID, they wouldn't have been so fast to tow the car and cr*p up a crime scene since it would have appeared that a 'dead man walked'.

So where are you getting your information? All caps like you used make your statement sound like you know for sure.

 

[jondaba]

Huh? Who said it was a fatal automobile crash? It was a spinout, on a road where even if he WAS speeding, he couldn't have gone all that fast, and his rear hit a tree. LE also doesn't consider this a fatal accident. If they DID, they wouldn't have been so fast to tow the car and cr*p up a crime scene since it would have appeared that a 'dead man walked'.

So where are you getting your information? All caps like you used make your statement sound like you know for sure.

Gemmie You (or someone else) said that he suffered a head injury and died but wasnt found!

re-read my post. I tried to say that it is NOT likely JL did 1-7 if he had really suffered a head injury that he died from!

 

[Gemmie]

Gemmie You (or someone else) said that he suffered a head injury and died but wasnt found!

re-read my post. I tried to say that it is NOT likely JL did 1-7 if he had really suffered a head injury that he died from!

It wasn't a comment I would have made so it was clearly someone else, IF it was even said.

And I do have to admit, I pretty much tuned out after that comment in all caps.

 

[jondaba]

It wasn't a comment I would have made so it was clearly someone else, IF it was even said.
Who said:

The only reason Jamisha's case got brought up here in the first place is there seem to be a lot of things that happened to her that could have happened to Jason as well (I didn't want mods to think this post isn't relevant to Jason's case and remove it). One being her state of mind. She was very stressed about a lot of things, Jason likely was too. They both crashed and appeared to undress and run off. They both smoked MJ. Jamisha was obviously feeling no pain or she wouldn't have run around barefoot as much as she did (enough to suffer abrasions to her feet), not to mention what appears to be that she backed into the briars.

I noticed more, and much longer, scratch marks on the autopsy picture of the rear than the front. Maybe she thought someone or something was chasing her? As for Jason... a lot of folks have doubted that he could have walked off barefoot due to the pain. I think he very well could have if Jamisha did. Lastly, as I mentioned... it looks to me like she backed into the brair thicket as if something was coming after her (imagined). Maybe that's what happened to Jason. He thought something was coming after him and he backed/burrowed into something, pretty darn deep. Keep in mind Jamisha was so deep into the briar thicket they had to take a chainsaw to get her out.

It looks like you said Jason crashed his car, then walked off and "he backed/burrowed into something, pretty darn deep" .

It appeared to me you were indicating you thought that JL had died after the accident as a result of the accident.

How have I misunderstood you?

 

[jondaba]

Many posters have stated at length their belief that JL crashed his car, and was injured so badly he wandered off and died nearby but just hasn't been found. My post simply says the acts attributed to him by the "internal head injury - wander off to die" are incorrect.