TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #5

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  • #821
Let's look at it from a different perspective. Usually (and I hope this isn't a gross simplification or distortion) people look at "motive" and "opportunity" for foul play/criminal activity.

In general

Opportunity: unclear. He left at 11 p.m., not even his parents know (with certainty) that he would be showing up after midnight. He had driven less than thirty minutes before his "digital trail" disappeared. He did open the Snapchat app which turned off his Waze, so there might be something there.
Motive: None known/clear. Nothing of JL's valuables are missing - his gaming gear was all there, his phone was stuck in the car, nobody had took the marijuana either (if there is a third party involved).

Jason met foul play in Luling idea:

Opportunity: He was in Luling for less than five minutes...again, i keep coming back to whether he was in contact with someone on Snapchat at the time, a meetup of some kind.
Motive: Again, none that I can think of. No financial/valuables missing. Someone suggested earlier that KL being an attorney could have made him a target. Again, I doubt that because it serves neither purpose to make him seem possibly alive (so no kidnap motive). If it's to "send a message," again, there is no body, it does not serve as "deterrence."

It also strains credulity that whoever harmed him in Luling would have taken the car and crashed it on SFR. From an earlier post, it's a bumpy, rickety dirt road, can't drive fast (the wording was that if he was being chased down SFR he'd have a flat/blowout long before the accident site). Someone would have taken another road to take the car wherever if that was part of a plan.

Jason tried to start a new life.

Opportunity: again we veer off into possibly unknown third parties and descend into 100% speculation.
Motive: I highly doubt (though not impossible) to imagine someone going off without phone, backpack, or beta fish.

While the single car accident/wandered off theory has a lot of holes, doesn't make a lot of sense, and has a lot of questions, I find any other theory (as of right now) to make even less sense.


I want to add/clarify some things that I recent learned about Waze. First of all, it’s a terrible GPS app. I used it for a long time and got sick of driving down dead end roads and making left turns. But more importantly, his dad had mentioned that Waze doesn’t ping in the background. Meaning, if I understand correctly, if you’re not actively using it, it won’t leave a footprint. I don’t know about Snapchat, but apparently people can call you on it, so Jason may not have “closed” Waze, as much as just got a call (or made a call) on Snapchat.
 
  • #822
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There is more animal life than just cows that aren't really harmful to humans. Bulls on the other hand... I'd stay away from. lol But seriously, there is a lot of wildlife out there. Feral hogs for one. I wouldn't want to have a run in with them either. Especially with my tasty bits on display like his were.


Ha! I did consider the feral hogs. Also coyotes, and maybe even a few wolves. I think the hogs would probably have the best clean up crew, but still think they would have left something.
 
  • #823
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Ha! I did consider the feral hogs. Also coyotes, and maybe even a few wolves. I think the hogs would probably have the best clean up crew, but still think they would have left something.

Yeah, there's been some discussion on this thread about the feral hogs. I forgot about wolves and coyotes. I believe it was Jason's father that mentioned seeing coyotes when he was out there early that morning.
 
  • #824
Yeah, there's been some discussion on this thread about the feral hogs. I forgot about wolves and coyotes. I believe it was Jason's father that mentioned seeing coyotes when he was out there early that morning.

A mountain lion is not entirely outside the realm of possibility either. That would probably be the most likely to drag him off somewhere. I think alien abduction is more likely than the animal theory given the other factors, but anything is possible.
 
  • #825
A mountain lion is not entirely outside the realm of possibility either. That would probably be the most likely to drag him off somewhere. I think alien abduction is more likely than the animal theory given the other factors, but anything is possible.

*grimaces at the mention of alien abduction* This area had 2 very young VFFs shot and killed a few years back because some kook thought they were aliens wearing firemen outfits.

You're probably right about mountain lions as that area has them as well. Although I'd think searchers or oil filed workers would have found his remains if one got him.
 
  • #826
*grimaces at the mention of alien abduction* This area had 2 very young VFFs shot and killed a few years back because some kook thought they were aliens wearing firemen outfits.

You're probably right about mountain lions as that area has them as well. Although I'd think searchers or oil filed workers would have found his remains if one got him.

I agree about the workers except I do wonder if they would have found Chris Watts’ kids if he hadn’t confessed. They had to drain the tank to get them out. And Elisa Lam might still be in that tank on top of that hotel if it hadn’t been in use and people started complaining about the water.
 
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I agree about the workers except I do wonder if they would have found Chris Watts’ kids if he hadn’t confessed. They had to drain the tank to get them out. And Elisa Lam might still be in that tank on top of that hotel if it hadn’t been in use and people started complaining about the water.

I meant oil workers stumbling across him on their property, not them checking their tanks. With that said, I've been saying for a while now that someone should check the tanks as I've had a Chris Watts feeling about this. I don't think that's something the search parties did for a few reasons... They likely figure he wandered off and died somewhere, and there are likely liability and safety issues checking tanks. I can't imagine they were on their list to check out. I'd be super surprised if they did.
 
  • #829
I meant oil workers stumbling across him on their property, not them checking their tanks. With that said, I've been saying for a while now that someone should check the tanks as I've had a Chris Watts feeling about this. I don't think that's something the search parties did for a few reasons... They likely figure he wandered off and died somewhere, and there are likely liability and safety issues checking tanks. I can't imagine they were on their list to check out. I'd be super surprised if they did.

100%. Whether or not they checked tanks is one of the pieces of information that doesn’t seem to publicly exist. That’s a huge endeavor too, so you’d think it would have been mentioned. They’ve talked about the wells, but nothing about tanks.
 
  • #830
I meant oil workers stumbling across him on their property, not them checking their tanks. With that said, I've been saying for a while now that someone should check the tanks as I've had a Chris Watts feeling about this. I don't think that's something the search parties did for a few reasons... They likely figure he wandered off and died somewhere, and there are likely liability and safety issues checking tanks. I can't imagine they were on their list to check out. I'd be super surprised if they did.

I agree. The oil tanks (or anything associated w/ the tanks actually) have always been in the back of my mind as a big possibility that Jason ended up there...whether for shelter, to hide, or accidental.
As you stated, I think there’s safety issues (not as cut & dry as lifting up a board to look under or peeking under a structure) that arise with checking tanks & such along with the amount that would need to be checked.
 
  • #831
Holly Bobo's remains were found later in the woods where both air and ground searches had been conducted, as well as many volunteer searches. I believe it was a hunter who found the body, or at least part of it. Molly Tibbet's body was also found in an area previously searched. Imo
You are right with your post ! This is an ongoing puzzle and why where they not seen the first time? Is there a rationale and reasonable explanation ? Or where they put there afterwards - dead?
MOO
 
  • #832
I agree. The oil tanks (or anything associated w/ the tanks actually) have always been in the back of my mind as a big possibility that Jason ended up there...whether for shelter, to hide, or accidental.
As you stated, I think there’s safety issues (not as cut & dry as lifting up a board to look under or peeking under a structure) that arise with checking tanks & such along with the amount that would need to be checked.

BBM

I'm going to add a 4th to your list.... put there. That would be on purpose to hide evidence of foul play. But yeah,... I really think those tanks should be looked in to. At least some of us could cross that off our lists if we knew it was done.
 
  • #833
It seems to me that it would only be necessary to check the size of the opening into each oil tank to see if a six foot, one hundred eighty pound man could even get in or be put into the tank. Previous comments have indicated that the opening isn't large enough.
 
  • #834
It seems to me that it would only be necessary to check the size of the opening into each oil tank to see if a six foot, one hundred eighty pound man could even get in or be put into the tank. Previous comments have indicated that the opening isn't large enough.

I can’t speak for the other members, but I was referring to the oil tanks that sit above ground, not necessarily the oil wells that are below ground.
I recall the discussion earlier about the size of oil wells and rather an adult could fit down one or not. Although they are small, I’m still not convinced 100% a person couldn’t fit down one. JMO....There are abandoned ones fairly close to where I live in AR and there’s been people missing that have ended up in them.
 
  • #835
I can’t speak for the other members, but I was referring to the oil tanks that sit above ground, not necessarily the oil wells that are below ground.
I recall the discussion earlier about the size of oil wells and rather an adult could fit down one or not. Although they are small, I’m still not convinced 100% a person couldn’t fit down one. JMO....There are abandoned ones fairly close to where I live in AR and there’s been people missing that have ended up in them.
Where are the openings into the above ground tanks? Are they at the top and would be accessed by a ladder? Are there heavy coverings that have to be unlocked and lifted? I should mention that I have never seen the smaller oil tanks, referenced here, hence the questions.
Is it even possible for one person to carry him up and hold onto him and unlock and lift the cover and put him in?
Or, is it possible for he, himself, to do the same if he is disoriented from a head injury or laced weed or a psychotic break?
MOO MOO MOO
 
  • #836
It seems to me that it would only be necessary to check the size of the opening into each oil tank to see if a six foot, one hundred eighty pound man could even get in or be put into the tank. Previous comments have indicated that the opening isn't large enough.

I respectfully disagree. Previous comments indicate that it is possible and the opening is large enough. Sure, they aren't huge openings but all it needs to be is big enough. :)

Convo from thread #4:

TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #4

TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #4

TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #4
 
  • #837
Where are the openings into the above ground tanks? Are they at the top and would be accessed by a ladder? Are there heavy coverings that have to be unlocked and lifted? I should mention that I have never seen the smaller oil tanks, referenced here, hence the questions.
Is it even possible for one person to carry him up and hold onto him and unlock and lift the cover and put him in?
Or, is it possible for he, himself, to do the same if he is disoriented from a head injury or laced weed or a psychotic break?
MOO MOO MOO

The tank that the Watts kids were in has a hatch on the side that is apparently intended for people to go inside (when empty, of course.) I’m not sure what it’s normally used for…maintenance, cleaning? I would assume most have something like that.

More regarding the Watts situation…

The painstaking process of retrieving Chris Watts' daughters from oil drums three days after murders | Daily Mail Online
 
  • #838
It's been a while since I've been on WS, but this thread caught my attention. So sorry, but could someone drop a maps link to the area of the wreck?

I ask because some of the theories out here seem logical to me and the sense that maybe searchers have missed something is a real possibility (as noted in the several examples given.) Especially with searches being so near the time of the accident - it was colder and I could see concealment (whether nefarious or by Jason hiding to stay warm) being an issue. IMO.
 
  • #839
It's been a while since I've been on WS, but this thread caught my attention. So sorry, but could someone drop a maps link to the area of the wreck?

I ask because some of the theories out here seem logical to me and the sense that maybe searchers have missed something is a real possibility (as noted in the several examples given.) Especially with searches being so near the time of the accident - it was colder and I could see concealment (whether nefarious or by Jason hiding to stay warm) being an issue. IMO.

I believe the accident was actually a quarter of a mile north, but 2300 SFR is the location most commonly given.

Google Maps
 
  • #840
I believe the accident was actually a quarter of a mile north, but 2300 SFR is the location most commonly given.

Google Maps

I know that I am WAY behind - but that road gives me not-so-good thoughts. Very concerning. There are TONS of places he could be, but I wonder about some of the houses along the way. Are they occupied? Have they been searched? Etc.

Just chilling thoughts through my mind.
 
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