TX TX - Jason Landry Missing After Car Found Crashed Near Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #7

[tricia]

This redacted letter was shown with the names Rick,Fly and Jesse in the Disappeared episode on Jason’s case. It was from anonymous to private investigator Mr Pina. Anonymous heard that Jason was killed by these 3 and that others in Luling know but are afraid to talk. One of them doesn’t work/sells drugs - all are ‘no good’. Did these 3 crash his car on salt flat road and throw his clothes around? Or is it all rumor?

I take it this is a screenshot from "Disappeared"?
Thank you DustysMom

 

[DustysMom]

I take it this is a screenshot from "Disappeared"?
Thank you DustysMom

During the last 10 minutes of Disappeared, they show the un-redacted letter but I did not take this screenshot myself.
I can take one if that makes the source more credible.
And/or I can also find the news source (Texas Monthly, I think) that also published and spoke about this letter.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I have done extensive searches for cases where wild hogs ate a body hole, and came up with zero. maybe someone knows some examples, and if so, please share them!!

From what I have read, wild hogs can be extremely aggressive and could injure or kill a person, but fatal attacks are very rare. and wild hog attacks would leave copious amounts of blood and organic evidence. MOO

Wild pigs/hogs can't open their jaws wide enough to crush an adult human skull. I don't recall whether they can completely crush and consume the thigh bone, which is the strongest bone in the human body. As you say, there would be evidence of an adult being attacked.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I am curious if folks would dismiss the blood spot (potential) clue had Jason been a woman? I worry that the responding police officers and other investigators along the way, took this case less seriously, because he is a college age male. A spot of blood on a missing woman's underwear would probably not be dismissed so casually. MOO

On the contrary, I would think that a small amount of blood on the underwear of a 20 year old woman would be assumed to be menstrual unless autopsy and other testing indicated otherwise.

 

[Gemmie]

I am curious if folks would dismiss the blood spot (potential) clue had Jason been a woman? I worry that the responding police officers and other investigators along the way, took this case less seriously, because he is a college age male. A spot of blood on a missing woman's underwear would probably not be dismissed so casually. MOO

No. Our waistbands aren't where menstruating women would end up with a spot of blood.

 

[Batgirl 2.0]

If I've read this correctly he began his educational journey with Stephen F. Austin State University; and later Texas State and Sam Houston? Why? Stephen F. Austin was ranked #35, Texas State and Sam Houston #200+ .....

As a Texas State graduate myself, (technically it was Southwest Texas State University when I graduated), I can give you a few good reasons why someone would choose that school. Texas State is a recognized producer of Fulbright scholars; the School of Business and the nursing program are internationally accredited; it has many widely recognized programs (I.e., Criminal Justice, Fine Arts, etc.); a beautiful Central Texas campus with the San Marcos River running through it; amazing Greek life; and it was FUN!! One of the physical education classes I took was a canoeing class for which I earned Red Cross certification. The final exam was a 5-mile canoe trip down the River. After graduating, I took a scuba class and earned NAUI certification. Somehow, despite all the fun, I managed to earn two undergraduate business degrees (accounting and management), as well as an MBA and went on to earn a professional certification in accounting. Hope that answers your question as to why someone would choose such a lesser-ranked school.

 

[Batgirl 2.0]

Having lived in San Marcos (home of Texas State) for eight years and with my parents living in the greater Houston area, I made the trip through Luling many times. The circumstances of Jason’s disappearance are so confounding. If his body was in the brush, it’s concerning that the floods in Oct 2021 and July 2025 could’ve scattered his remains. The letter to the investigator referenced earlier also presents an alternate theory to be investigated . His body could’ve been placed anywhere, like an oil drum. Or on private property. Hoping and praying the family gets answers.

 

[Dnp2be]

I propose another possible reason for the undressing. Having a large dose of drugs prior to an emergency surgical procedure triggered a reaction from me that involved trying to get out of the hospital bed, take out iv and undress. For years after I suffered extreme restless leg which at its worst at night caused me to pace and rip off my night clothes. It felt like my skin was crawling and anything touching me was intolerable. The sensation was torturous.

I do not know how this would fit into the context of this particular story regarding possible drug use, the timing of the undressing etc. But I do think it is relevant to know there are other reasons for this paradoxical undressing other than just hypothermia.

Interesting and valid point. Anytime I take a certain anti nausea medication I experience muscle rigidity and I feel very restless and it’s extremely painful. The only thing that take away then feeling as if my body is unable to stop shaking and moving is pain medications. So yes, that’s another very reasonable explanation. That’s why I love this website and all of you. So much Id probably not consider. Thank you !

 

[Same Old Stella]

On YouTube, there is a newscast over 7 minutes from KABB, San Antonio's local Fox affiliate from a month ago. In it, they play (at 4:45) a small part of a 911 call from a woman saying she had just seen a naked man running in her area the night Jason went missing. This is the first I've heard about such a call. It doesn't say he's being chased, just that he's naked and running.

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[angelainwi]

On YouTube, there is a newscast over 7 minutes from KABB, San Antonio's local Fox affiliate from a month ago. In it, they play (at 4:45) a small part of a 911 call from a woman saying she had just seen a naked man running in her area the night Jason went missing. This is the first I've heard about such a call. It doesn't say he's being chased, just that he's naked and running.

do you have a link please

 

[Valiant]

This is the KABB video:

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

Well it sounds like he didn't just disappear after all, did he? Seen by a witness running by, possibly injured.

An episode of Chris McDonough's podcast had the guy from Equusearch Midwest on, who said that lack of landowner permissions slowed their search for Summer Wells. Landowner permissions are mentioned in the linked news report about the search for Jason.

Does anyone know if LE can use drones above private property? As a landowner in Texas, I get it, I don't want strangers to access my property. But in the case of a missing person, a drone won't damage land, fences, or spook animals, at least as much as a search crew.

 

[SimplyCass]

Maybe the blood smear is from Jason contacting the barb-wire and simply happened accidentally. BUT no-one actually knows why he removed his clothes and shoes in such a harsh and unforgiving environment, even with weed use, it doesn't make sense-- so many unanswered questions.

I am curious if folks would dismiss the blood spot (potential) clue had Jason been a woman? I worry that the responding police officers and other investigators along the way, took this case less seriously, because he is a college age male. A spot of blood on a missing woman's underwear would probably not be dismissed so casually. MOO

The blood spot doesn't move the needle for me either way. Based on the description of what happened, the car, etc. something was clearly awry. That's what I'm more focused on, if anything else.

Maybe, in conjunction with other evidence, I would change my mind on what I think happened. but, broadly speaking, I just don't see anyone having the opportunity or motive to do harm. So the blood stains doesn't change anything.

The first responders, I think, did massively mess up. I do wish the scene had been better secured and that they hadn't towed the car away so quickly. It's almost absurd that it was Jason's dad and not LE who picked up the clothing and recovered Jason's phone. But I try not to dwell too much on that aspect since we can't go back in time and undo that.

Well it sounds like he didn't just disappear after all, did he? Seen by a witness running by, possibly injured.

An episode of Chris McDonough's podcast had the guy from Equusearch Midwest on, who said that lack of landowner permissions slowed their search for Summer Wells. Landowner permissions are mentioned in the linked news report about the search for Jason.

Does anyone know if LE can use drones above private property? As a landowner in Texas, I get it, I don't want strangers to access my property. But in the case of a missing person, a drone won't damage land, fences, or spook animals, at least as much as a search crew.

I don't believe anyone seriously believes that he vanished in mid air. but it is good there there is a solid primary account of someone seeing him. We've only assumed that he ran in some direction.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Well it sounds like he didn't just disappear after all, did he? Seen by a witness running by, possibly injured.

To my mind, it supports an acute mental health crisis and/or drug induced psychosis. Either is equally likely in a man of his age.

 

[Same Old Stella]

Sorry everyone but my computer will not let me do links anymore; the best I can do is give instructions on how to find the info I post.

 

[Centaurus]

To my mind, it supports an acute mental health crisis and/or drug induced psychosis. Either is equally likely in a man of his age.

To me it sounds like paradoxical undressing.

Get Naked and Dig: The Bizarre Effects of Hypothermia

Severe hypothermia can cause people to lose consciousness, and may result in death. But before losing consciousness, people suffering from hypothermia have been known to exhibit some bizarre behaviors that may be a last-ditch effort to survive.

www.livescience.com

“As strange as the terminal-burrowing behavior might seem, an act called "paradoxical undressing" is even more confounding. The term describes the behavior among many victims of extreme hypothermia of peeling off most or all of their clothing, increasing heat loss.

When rewarming the body of a hypothermic person with the body of another person, first-aid experts often recommend that both the victim and the "rewarmer" be naked or barely dressed. This facilitates the transfer of heat from the warm person to the person with hypothermia.

But that recommendation, researchers believe, has nothing to do with paradoxical undressing. To shut down the loss of heat from the extremities, the body induces vasoconstriction, the reflexive contraction of blood vessels.

Over time, however, the muscles necessary for inducing vasoconstriction become exhausted and fail, causing warm blood to rush from the core to the extremities. This results in a kind of "hot flash" that makes victims of severe hypothermia — who are already confused and disoriented — feel as though they're burning up, so they remove their clothes, researchers have concluded.

Paradoxical undressing often occurs immediately before terminal burrowing. The researchers in Germany investigating hypothermia victims noted in their article that "the final position in which the bodies were found could only be reached by crawling on all fours or flat on the body, resulting in abrasions to the knees, elbows, etc. This crawling … happened after undressing, as there were abrasions to the skin but no damage to the corresponding parts of the removed clothing."

 

[MelmothTheLost]

To me it sounds like paradoxical undressing.

That's not impossible, though as you say that tends to happen at the terminal phase of hypothermia. If Jason was see running in the nude, it suggests that he stripped off at an earlier stage in the process. I'm reminded of the case of the nude man (I can't recall his name or many of the details) in Alaska who climbed a flagpole and fell to his death.

 

[K9Enzo]

Well it sounds like he didn't just disappear after all, did he? Seen by a witness running by, possibly injured.

An episode of Chris McDonough's podcast had the guy from Equusearch Midwest on, who said that lack of landowner permissions slowed their search for Summer Wells. Landowner permissions are mentioned in the linked news report about the search for Jason.

Does anyone know if LE can use drones above private property? As a landowner in Texas, I get it, I don't want strangers to access my property. But in the case of a missing person, a drone won't damage land, fences, or spook animals, at least as much as a search crew.

IMO State laws vary (FAA, agency polices) , but in general LE may be able to fly a drone over private property during a search, The bigger issue, IMO, is what happens if something is located because the moment it turns into a recovery or evidence situation, entering the property without proper legal footing (owner permission, warrants, clearly documented ER circumstances) can get challenged in court. This is why LE also only call out reliable SAR teams they trust and stay away from (in most cases) community volunteers to search for missing people, they mean well, but are a lot to safely manage and to keep them from trespassing and breaking laws. IMO

Side note: I hope Chris McDonough is staying away from the Morphew and Wells case.....really any cases. IMO

 

[warp3dwing]

Side note: I hope Chris McDonough is staying away from the Morphew and Wells case.....really any cases. IMO

I concur. That man has no ethics and seriously caused my friends and I serious grief.