TX - Jesus Mora Flores, 47, caught molesting child, beaten to death, 2012

[SwampMama]

This daddy is a hero. I don't think this little girl would ever be scared her dad would kill again. This little girl will have peace of mind that the man who did it is gone, erased off the face of the earth, can never touch her again and can never hurt anyone else.

She never has to go through a trial, or hear he out on probation or that worry that he will ever be free to hurt her or another child. Daddy did what the justice system system and our laws can't do.

Pedophiles can't be rehabilitated. Sad but true, It is a proven fact. Often they offend till they get caught, do their time and then when they offend again, they make sure their won't be a witness to testify against them the next time. Look at what happened in the Jaren Lockhart case. The man who has been arrested in connection to her death was a convicted sex offender who was out of jail and free to commit another crime. Sure he was supposed to be registered but he had violated the terms of that by moving to Louisiana and not registering there.

The dad in this case didn't mean to kill him and he will no doubt be traumatized by that as well. I know someone who had to kill someone who was trying to kill them. The perp had already taken a few shots at him. He had to shoot back and although he was legally authorized to shoot back , he suffered from PTSD over it.

This dad deserves all of the support that he can get.

 

[PeteyGirl]

Irrespective of if things happened the way the father said or not, I would think that the psychological impact on a 4 year old who witnessed a parent beat someone to death is massive. It is going to be a permanent scar. She will never be able to look at him again without knowing that if he lost it he could kill again. That is something all these folk cheering him on need to understand - by not controlling himself he might well have done far more damage to his kid's psyche than this other guy.

What is missing from your scenario is the little girl witnessing with relief her father saving her from a person who had been hurting her, who'd separated her from her family and began doing things to her that have a psychological impact upon her. How could this obvious piece be missed? IMO a person would have to really twist the facts HARD to conclude the child will walk away with a greater fear of her father than the strange, scary pervert who'd been raping her.

 

[Steely Dan]

For what it's worth...

When I was no more than 10 years old I got off the school bus in front of my house.
I was MAYBE 4 feet tall and 70lbs? (I'm only 5 feet tall and 100ish lbs now.)
The 150+ pound, 5'10 neighbor football player in high school started beating the crap out of me. (I still don't know what I did to make him mad.)

My Dad had his business in the house and was with a client when he looked out the window prompted by his secretary screaming.

In the 2-3 minutes it took the bus driver AND my Dad to intervene and stop the beating, I already needed surgery for internal bleeding.

The bus driver and my Dad yelled... both tried to pull him off, but my Dad was forced to hit the kid JUST to make him stop.
If my father had simply stayed in the house and called 911 or just yelled at the kid, it would have been much worse.

Now granted, I was not 4 years old. I understood what was happening completely. This kid easily could have killed me.

I do know that as a 10 year old, the incident didn't make me fear my father.
It assured me that if needed he would step up and protect us.

I would have felt abandoned if he hadn't stopped him.
He certainly may have seriously injured the kid if I hadn't been so seriously injured myself.

It is possible that her father HAD to hit the guy to make him stop.
I hope that she sees him as a protector... I think she will when she understands.

The football player who attacked me is in prison for rape and murder now.
I'm guessing that the two guys who protected me, made the right choice... and I think this father did too. :twocents:

That's horrible. :hug:

IMO, any high school kid who beats on a little girl that severely needs to be thrown in jail and have them throw away the key. IMO, that's a huge red flag and it doesn't surprise me at all that he's in jail for rape and murder. People should have seen something like that coming as soon as he finished hitting you. JMO

 

[CathyinTexas]

some different articles
http://www.ksat.com/news/Lavaca-Cou...acker/-/478452/14775416/-/ycyj2r/-/index.html

Lavaca County Sheriff Mica Harmon said the man took the girl into a brushy area outside Shiner Saturday afternoon and allegedly tried to molest her.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2012/06/12/sheriff-dad-kills-daughters-alleged-attacker

The father called police late Saturday afternoon and told them he attacked a man he caught trying to sexually assault his daughter, Harmon said. The alleged attack happened near a barn where some horses were being kept.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/S...cker/-/1735978/14774032/-/ehe9t7/-/index.html

The incident happened near a barn in Mt. Olive where some horses were being kept. The adults were shoeing a horse and the girl and her brother had been sent to feed chickens.

The children's grandfather said the boy later came back and said his sister had been taken away by a man. Her father then went out to look for her, the grandfather said.

The father found both his daughter and the 47-year-old man partially naked, investigators said.

This story is shocking to me. I am so glad the brother alerted his father to the fact a man dragged his sister away! How could anyone with that knowledge fault the man for killing the perpetrator. He could have been in danger, he and the child could have both been killed. The outcome is how it should be, and thankfully he didn't complete the assault on the child.

 

[CathyinTexas]

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2012/jun/12/sl_beating_death_folo_061312_179240/?counties

The Texas Penal Code in Section 9, Justification Excluding Criminal Responsibility, addresses the use of force to protect a third person.

That part of the code states, in part, that "a person is justified in using deadly force against another to prevent the imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery or aggravated robbery."

kidnapping and aggravated assault fit this incident so I do not understand why this case is going to a grand jury, especially with the details we now know about, the brother saw this pervert drag his sister away and alerted his father.

 

[neesaki]

You guys are assuming of course that the victim actually WAS molesting this guy's daughter, and he isn't just saying this to justify the killing.

:waitasec: Really? I can't imagine why else a 47 year old man would take a little girl away with him and then be found with her partially naked, other than to do what perverted pedophiles do, which is to prey upon the weak; helpless, innocent children.

Not to mention, sounds like this perp was a kidnapper as well as a pedophile. Wonder if there are any missing children in that area? And, how long has he been there and where was he before? It's highly doubtful this was his first time considering his age.

He got exactly what he deserved IMO.

The children's grandfather said the boy later came back and said his sister had been taken away by a man. Her father then went out to look for her, the grandfather said.

The father found both his daughter and the 47-year-old man partially naked, investigators said.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/S...cker/-/1735978/14774032/-/ehe9t7/-/index.html

 

[CathyinTexas]

I would have stopped him and called the police. We have laws, a police force and a justice system. I would be a shield for my child but beyond that I would let society's institutions do their job. I most certainly would not further damage my kid through my actions or lack of control.

The only exception of course would be if he refused to stop, but that probably would not happen. Those sorts of people typically run at the first sign of being caught.

First of all, there was no way of knowing if the perp had a weapon, knife or gun. What did the perp do when found. I am sure that the father felt he was in danger as well as the child. Also, this is definitely temporary insanity. One expert said the basal (?) brain takes over in a situation like this. Pure instinct and survival mode, plus an instinct to protect your child (young). There is no way a person would know what they would do in that situation. Women would be at a disadvantage because of their size and strength compared to the man. But a father would do exactly what he did, he didn't shoot him or stab him, he just hit him hard a few times, and I doubt he intended to kill him.

 

[thefragile7393]

If his story is straight then i cannot blame him for killing the guy.
I'm not going to just jump on the bandwagon and applaud him him until hard evidence comes out however. Call me cynical but the two other people in this situation are very young or dead. No other eyewitnesses. I will wait until the full story comes out.
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[Reality Orlando]

First of all, there was no way of knowing if the perp had a weapon, knife or gun. What did the perp do when found. I am sure that the father felt he was in danger as well as the child. Also, this is definitely temporary insanity. One expert said the basal (?) brain takes over in a situation like this. Pure instinct and survival mode, plus an instinct to protect your child (young). There is no way a person would know what they would do in that situation. Women would be at a disadvantage because of their size and strength compared to the man. But a father would do exactly what he did, he didn't shoot him or stab him, he just hit him hard a few times, and I doubt he intended to kill him.

BBM I agree and I think this applies 100%:

"A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine that designates a person's abode (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as a car or place of work) as a place in which the person has certain protections and immunities and may in certain circumstances use force, up to and including deadly force, to defend against an intruder without becoming liable to prosecution.[1] Typically deadly force is considered justified, and a defense of justifiable homicide applicable, in cases "when the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to himself or another".

Castle doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[HMSHood]

First of all, there was no way of knowing if the perp had a weapon, knife or gun. What did the perp do when found. I am sure that the father felt he was in danger as well as the child. Also, this is definitely temporary insanity. One expert said the basal (?) brain takes over in a situation like this. Pure instinct and survival mode, plus an instinct to protect your child (young). There is no way a person would know what they would do in that situation. Women would be at a disadvantage because of their size and strength compared to the man. But a father would do exactly what he did, he didn't shoot him or stab him, he just hit him hard a few times, and I doubt he intended to kill him.

Exactly. Never know if that person has a weapon.

 

[HMSHood]

I would have stopped him and called the police. We have laws, a police force and a justice system. I would be a shield for my child but beyond that I would let society's institutions do their job. I most certainly would not further damage my kid through my actions or lack of control.

The only exception of course would be if he refused to stop, but that probably would not happen. Those sorts of people typically run at the first sign of being caught.

Police don't respond fast enough.

 

[charok]

I was torn between medal and no charge/just move on with their lives...voted on no charges move on with their lives...just for sake privacy of the 4 yr old girl...in my eyes he is a hero and definately deserves no jail time. None!!!! If I saw someone assaulting either of my girls id do same thing nevermind me being a woman...

 

[Ada]

I voted for probation but want to clarify.

I meant that if he was charged, that should be the highest penalty he should receive. However, I don't think he should be charged at all. He should be paraded around town on a fancy float with balloons and big flowers. :rocker:

 

[4Jacy]

You go Dad, I would have done the same exact thing. Thank you!!! Much love!!

 

[neesaki]

Police don't respond fast enough.

That's right. So he stopped them with the one and only tried and true method: physical force.

Otherwise, without a doubt the perp would have attacked the father, then fled the scene before LE ever arrived.

 

[Nore]

Don't mess with Texas AND don't sexually assault a mans' innocent daughter.

What's a parent to do? When faced with such a horrific scene, right before their eyes.

This man did EXACTLY what any reasonable person would do when faced with what he saw.

I pray no charges are brought against this hero.

The only thing wrong is we dont read a story just like it often enough. Now thats a DAD.

 

[Indy Anna]

Normally, I don't condone people taking the law into their own hands. But, that wasn't the intention of this man. The dad only wanted to get the molester off his daughter and used the force necessary to do so. While I don't want to celebrate anyone's death, I must admit that the outcome was probably for the best. Otherwise, the perp would likely be free in a few years, assuming he would have been charged and sentenced to prison had he lived, to molest other children. At 47, I doubt that this was even new behavior for him; there are likely other victims.

I don't think the dad should be treated as a hero. He doesn't feel proud of what he did because he didn't intend to kill. The poor man was first traumatized at seeing what was happening to his daughter, and further traumatized at the knowledge that he killed someone. The dad (and daughter) needs counseling to help him recover from the shock of the incident so he can "move on."

If the incident is promoted as heroics, then future murderers will no doubt view this as a green-light to commit murder and use a defense claim. I don't think there is a jury anywhere that would convict the dad of murder. The daughter is old enough to describe what happened and her brother can testify that she was dragged away against her will by the man. The entire incident is a tragedy for the family; the memory of which they will live with for the remainder of their lives.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/14/us/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

"Any father would have done that," Michael James Veit, whose son graduated with the father from Shiner High School in 2007 and who now lives across the road from the ranch where the killing took place, said Thursday. "Everybody is saying the father is justified."

 

[Kimberlyd125]

On the radio yesterday, some talking heads were discussing this case.
They were taking callers.

Everyone seemed to agree that this was a justifiable homicide.

I don't see how any parent could see it any differently.

But that's just my take on it.

Had this man not tried to sexually assault a 4 year old, he'd be alive today.
His actions caused his own death IMO.

 

[not_my_kids]

Self defense, IMO (under the law).

He was defending his child, a weaker individual, and that is technically covered under the self defense statute of most states. (Throwback to the times that the law considered ones children to be little more than property or an extension of the parent.)

IMO, this father did nothing wrong. Under the law, I don't think he did anything wrong either. The way I see it, the father did not act in such a way as to cause the molester's death. The father REacted in such a way that it caused the molesters death.If the dude hadn't been molesting a child, the reaction would not have occurred. Therefore, his death was entirely his own fault, due to his choice of actions.