TX - Jesus Mora Flores, 47, caught molesting child, beaten to death, 2012

[Flutterby80]

If this dad ends up being charged and Koralynn Fister's mom does not.....

 

[Tugela]

I think she will need help processing what she witnessed but I think she will look at her Daddy as the ultimate protector.

She will know he loves her more than anything and that he will not let anyone hurt her.

This Daddy is awesome.
This Daddy handled his business and his daughter was saved because of it.

I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way in real life. In real life a person who loses control when they become enraged will do so potentially whenever they become enraged. In this instance it was someone molesting his daughter. Next time it might be if he suspects his wife is cheating, or his kid refuses to take out the trash, or someone cuts him off on the highway. People who resort to violence when enraged don't know boundaries, that is why they do it. Next time it could be you, think about that.

 

[Tugela]

Or she will never be able to look at him again without knowing that he will protect her at all costs, and at the drop of a hat.

No, the memory a 4 year old will have of the incident is one of violence and blood. That is not something a 4 year old typically would have any comprehension or experience of, and it is going to leave a huge psychological scar. It will be similar to what kids experience when caught up in war, they would not see it the same way you would. Whatever the molester was doing will pale in comparison to that, because what he was doing would not have involved extreme violence, to a 4 year old it would have been unusual behaviour, maybe scary, since they wouldn't have understood it. Beating someone to a pulp, that they would understand.

 

[not_my_kids]

I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way in real life. In real life a person who loses control when they become enraged will do so potentially whenever they become enraged. In this instance it was someone molesting his daughter. Next time it might be if he suspects his wife is cheating, or his kid refuses to take out the trash, or someone cuts him off on the highway. People who resort to violence when enraged don't know boundaries, that is why they do it. Next time it could be you, think about that.

I beg to differ. People react differently when their children are threatened or harmed than they do in any other situation. I wouldn't kill the average Joe just walking down the street. If that random Joe walking down the street decided to veer into my yard and put their hands on my child, I would, without hesitation and probably with a lot less remorse than this guy has shown. I know boundaries, but the only boundary that matters where my children is concerned is that no one will touch them with malice. NO ONE. I'm sure this guy has been cut off in traffic and enraged in other ways many times in his life, yet, he never killed anyone else. Only the person that was harming his child. That argument loses weight, due to the fact that this is obviously not the manner in which he handles all problems.

 

[Elley Mae]

For what its worth, when my then 4 year old daughters father and i broke up she asked about him for about 3 months off and on, maybe 4 times, after that she never asked about him again. (and hasn't seen him since) she's 27 now. We don't know that there was any blood. 3 or 4 good punches in the right places and its over.

 

[jjenny]

No, the memory a 4 year old will have of the incident is one of violence and blood. That is not something a 4 year old typically would have any comprehension or experience of, and it is going to leave a huge psychological scar. It will be similar to what kids experience when caught up in war, they would not see it the same way you would. Whatever the molester was doing will pale in comparison to that, because what he was doing would not have involved extreme violence, to a 4 year old it would have been unusual behaviour, maybe scary, since they wouldn't have understood it. Beating someone to a pulp, that they would understand.

When they found this guy his pants and underwear were down. What exactly do you think he was doing or planning on doing to a 4 year old? Frankly, I think this father deserves a medal.

"Detectives said Flores' pants and underwear were down when paramedics arrived."
http://www.click2houston.com/news/M...ed/-/1735978/15124482/-/138e4w9z/-/index.html

 

[Karmady]

I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way in real life. In real life a person who loses control when they become enraged will do so potentially whenever they become enraged. In this instance it was someone molesting his daughter. Next time it might be if he suspects his wife is cheating, or his kid refuses to take out the trash, or someone cuts him off on the highway. People who resort to violence when enraged don't know boundaries, that is why they do it. Next time it could be you, think about that.

Perhaps. But totally beside the point, imo, because in real life people who become enraged by walking in on their child being molested by a criminal pervert or similar are not potentially likely to become equally enraged by anything else they ever experience in their entire lives. Is that not obvious?

I've experienced varying degrees of outrage in my life and have never struck a blow that injured someone. But I know for certain that if I had walked in on THAT scenario I probably would have killed him, too, if I could have possibly physically accomplished it. I know for sure that harming him would have been the absolute least of my concerns. Someone would have to have pulled me off him. And it wouldn't have been easy.

Good riddance, imo.

 

[Reality Orlando]

No, the memory a 4 year old will have of the incident is one of violence and blood. That is not something a 4 year old typically would have any comprehension or experience of, and it is going to leave a huge psychological scar. It will be similar to what kids experience when caught up in war, they would not see it the same way you would. Whatever the molester was doing will pale in comparison to that, because what he was doing would not have involved extreme violence, to a 4 year old it would have been unusual behaviour, maybe scary, since they wouldn't have understood it. Beating someone to a pulp, that they would understand.

BBM...you're kidding right? A 4 year-old getting raped/sexually assaulted is the better of the two scenarios? I'm speechless.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Here is what I have to say to that father:

:woohoo:

 

[Flutterby80]

I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way in real life. In real life a person who loses control when they become enraged will do so potentially whenever they become enraged. In this instance it was someone molesting his daughter. Next time it might be if he suspects his wife is cheating, or his kid refuses to take out the trash, or someone cuts him off on the highway. People who resort to violence when enraged don't know boundaries, that is why they do it. Next time it could be you, think about that.

Have you read all of the news articles? By all accounts, this is a nice, respectful, committed single father. He gets along with everyone. He calls his elders sir and ma'am. I have read interviews with several people in the community as well as his own father and they all describe him this way. If this was a man who was prone to bar brawls do you think the entire community would have immediately rallied around him without questioning his story?

 

[Marilynilpa]

Have you read all of the news articles? By all accounts, this is a nice, respectful, committed single father. He gets along with everyone. He calls his elders sir and ma'am. I have read interviews with several people in the community as well as his own father and they all describe him this way. If this was a man who was prone to bar brawls do you think the entire community would have immediately rallied around him without questioning his story?

I'm not trying to start any argument, but is your point that you think this man's story might not be true? Or do you mean that in another situation, the man's story would have been questioned more?

I agree that if he were a drunken brawler with a history of fighting, etc., maybe his story would have been questioned more, as it should be. But in this case, where there is no apparent history of trouble, why shouldn't the community rally around him and accept his story at face value?

 

[Flutterby80]

I'm not trying to start any argument, but is your point that you think this man's story might not be true? Or do you mean that in another situation, the man's story would have been questioned more?

I agree that if he were a drunken brawler with a history of fighting, etc., maybe his story would have been questioned more, as it should be. But in this case, where there is no apparent history of trouble, why shouldn't the community rally around him and accept his story at face value?

I was responding to another poster. I wasn't questioning the father's story or reputation, or the people who are standing by him.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I was responding to another poster. I wasn't questioning the father's story or reputation, or the people who are standing by him.

Sorry for the mix-up - I should have read all the posts before replying. I didn't see any comment in quotes, so I thought that was your original comment.

 

[Flutterby80]

Sorry for the mix-up - I should have read all the posts before replying. I didn't see any comment in quotes, so I thought that was your original comment.

That's OK!! :seeya: Have a nice day!

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2012/jun/15/cd_victim_named_061612_179576/?counties

Jesus Mora Flores was killed on the afternoon of June 9 on a rural farm pasture on County Road 302 between Shiner and Yoakum.

In a press release issued Friday, authorities said Flores was attempting to sexually assault the girl, whose age was corrected by officials Friday to be 5 years old.

"When emergency medical personnel arrived, Jesus Mora Flores' pants and underwear were down and the man's genitals were exposed," said Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon, who was quoted in a press

bbm

 

[Lovejac]

No, the memory a 4 year old will have of the incident is one of violence and blood. That is not something a 4 year old typically would have any comprehension or experience of, and it is going to leave a huge psychological scar. It will be similar to what kids experience when caught up in war, they would not see it the same way you would. Whatever the molester was doing will pale in comparison to that, because what he was doing would not have involved extreme violence, to a 4 year old it would have been unusual behaviour, maybe scary, since they wouldn't have understood it. Beating someone to a pulp, that they would understand.

I personally consider sexual assault against a child to be the most extreme violence I can think of.

Apparently, so did this innocent girls daddy.

 

[athy]

my daughter is 36 now, she was molested at 5 the same age as this little girl. my daughter STILL has trouble with it, flashbacks and things. it helped to ruin her first marriage because she still couldn't work through some of the problems dealing. that was after and during having councelling. luckily her now husband understands the situation and helps her work through it and is helping. don't ever think these things don't stick with kids.

 

[Tugela]

I beg to differ. People react differently when their children are threatened or harmed than they do in any other situation. I wouldn't kill the average Joe just walking down the street. If that random Joe walking down the street decided to veer into my yard and put their hands on my child, I would, without hesitation and probably with a lot less remorse than this guy has shown. I know boundaries, but the only boundary that matters where my children is concerned is that no one will touch them with malice. NO ONE. I'm sure this guy has been cut off in traffic and enraged in other ways many times in his life, yet, he never killed anyone else. Only the person that was harming his child. That argument loses weight, due to the fact that this is obviously not the manner in which he handles all problems.

If you were willing to kill someone who molested your child, there is a very high probability that you would be willing to kill if you found out that your spouse was cheating or something like that. Both would be things that you regarded as severe offences to yourself. Probably many other conflict situations that occur in life would trigger it as well.

It takes a certain mindset, that being the inability to control yourself when enraged.

This guy was not protecting his child, he didn't need to pummel the guy into the ground to do that. He went beyond the point of what was necessary and reasonable because he lost control of his emotions. Any time he loses control of his emotions, there is going to be a real risk of someone being hurt.

You are welcome to want to live nextdoor to this guy. I for one would not.

 

[Tugela]

I personally consider sexual assault against a child to be the most extreme violence I can think of.

Apparently, so did this innocent girls daddy.

If it doesn't involve violence it shouldn't be traumatic because kids that age don't remember things that are not extreme. Remember, a 4 year old has no idea what sex is, or the social stigmas attached, so they would not know what is/was going on. It would just be another game to them, perhaps one they didnt like, but a game none the less. Unless someone tells them constantly later in life. What causes the trauma and consequences later in life is the behaviour of people around the victim who are aware of the crime. The best thing they could do for this kid is not mention it again, but unfortunately she watched her father beat someone to death, and that is never going away.

Sometimes things are best left in the past. My sister had a minor incident when she was around 10, it wasn't a big deal. I was there at the same time, a year older than her, and experienced the same thing, so I know exactly what happened. But later on in life as things didn't work out all that well for her personally (she was bipolar), it slowly began to take on bigger and bigger proportions, mainly (IMO) because they people around her were feading this thing as the cause of all her problems, when it in fact wasn't. They wanted to find a reason and someone to blame for her issues who wasn't my sister, and in doing so they completely missed what was really going on. Eventually she killed herself. I blame the people around her at the end. They might have meant well, but they didn't understand her true problems untill too late, but by then the damage was done.

 

[jjenny]

Sexual assault of a child is a game? Well now I've heard everything.