TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[Gracie55]

Maybe a connection of JB was afraid of heat because his trial notoriety attracted attention.

 

[kittythehare]

RSBM: BBM: Maybe because suspect #2 now understands about subpoenas? If JB knew him, he should have turned him in for his own good. Stupid not to. Very possible he has run off to parts unknown to LE.

sorry,not up to speed yet today. Did he know the guy that murdered his mate and shot him in the foot last year?

 

[Kakidoll]

RBBM, I'm unsure if it was intentional but your first point comes across as you saying that because he was subpoenaed that it automatically means he was reluctant to testify. Receiving a subpoena/summons has nothing to do with whether one is reluctant or super excited and willing to testify. Witnesses, victims, etc. receive a subpoena to testify at trial regardless of their personal feelings towards being summoned by a court.

I do understand you get a subpoena, I did mean he was hesitant to testify. He did not want to be on the stand and i completely understand why, now. It put him out there and easier to find, IF someone was looking for him. This put him front and center and easy to follow after court. I'm wondering how much the Prosecutors knew about the Nov. shooting and if it was of any concern to anyone other than JB. I think the difference is how it and he are being portrayed by some media. It swings from one end to the other. Sadly people do get involved who want to then back themselves out of a situation. When he first gave his statements, i'm sure he didn't think this would become the big trial it did. Who would know at that moment.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, thanks for explaining it. Hmmm, why would a witness be under a gag order AFTER a trial is over?

I know a little about that.. the video was made in May.. if it's same video.
I wason Twitter the night she loaded it, it was quite dramatic... but, it did leave me with the impression that she was pacing for at least 30 minutes, probably because the thing was on loop and I hadn't checked.
She did submit it. Her GoFund Me made her an unreliable witness so she wasn't called to testify. I asked around about her current location and status and nobody knew. Lots of people were asking because we expected her to testify... That's not much of an answer, I know.
The gag order would have been relevant at the time that video had been made.

 

[BellaVita]

DBM

 

[Amonet]

Botham Jean's Neighbor Joshua Brown Killed in Dallas: Attorney | Law & Crime

On Friday, October 4, 2019, at approximately 10:37 p.m., Dallas patrol officers responded to a shooting call at the ATERA apartments located at 4606 Cedar Spring Road. Upon arrival, officers were flagged down by several witnesses directing them to the complainant’s location. The complainant was found lying on the ground in the apartment parking lot with multiple gunshot wounds. Dallas Fire-Rescue responded and transported the complainant to Parkland Memorial Hospital, where he died from his injuries.
Several witnesses heard several gunshots and observed a silver four-door sedan leaving the parking lot at a high rate of speed. There is no additional information on the suspect(s) at this time.
The complainant did not have any ID cards on him therefore, next of kin notification will be pending the ME examination and positive identification. It is important to note that there were no additional victims regarding this shooting call. The two victims I reported earlier that showed up at Parkland Hospital was not related to this shooting. This is an ongoing investigation, and no one is in custody.

I admit that I thought ... why not just call JB a 'victim' ?

In the legalese in the AG trial, Botham Jean was referred to throughout as the 'complainant' and not the 'victim'. But I've never noticed msm use the term 'complainant' when reporting on a recent fatal shooting incident. I'd imagine that the reporter used the term as they'd heard it so often in the AG trial?

 

[Kakidoll]

sorry,not up to speed yet today. Did he know the guy that murdered his mate and shot him in the foot last year?

an article out today stated (and i'm taking all with a grain of salt right now) that it was a childhood acquaintance. That they had been at another strip joint and then at the one where the shooting took place. Its not very clear where the altercation started, but shooter and JB were in a fight in the street, when a gun was handed to the shooter and JB and his friend were shot, the friend died and JB was shot in the foot. The guy who handed the gun to the shooter (no name/no arrest) had a court date on Oct. 3rd. and one coming up on Oct 31st. VERY strange.... if JB knew shooter but didn't give up name, why? Def. need more answers.

 

[bwt42]

Seriously? Your opinion of Joshua Brown is changed because he feared testifying? He VOLUNTEERED information to investigating LE. If he hadn't provided that information, he would never have been compelled to testify at trial.

He feared. He testified. He was murdered. And ....you fault him for his fear?

Didn't say that.

 

[Hope4More]

I do understand you get a subpoena, I did mean he was hesitant to testify. He did not want to be on the stand and i completely understand why, now. It put him out there and easier to find, IF someone was looking for him. This put him front and center and easy to follow after court. I'm wondering how much the Prosecutors knew about the Nov. shooting and if it was of any concern to anyone other than JB. I think the difference is how it and he are being portrayed by some media. It swings from one end to the other. Sadly people do get involved who want to then back themselves out of a situation. When he first gave his statements, i'm sure he didn't think this would become the big trial it did. Who would know at that moment.

I dearly hope prosecutors knew nothing of the prior shooting. If they did, forcing Joshua to testify was unconscionable. The State absolutely did not need his testimony to convict Guyger.

Talk about no good deed goes unpunished....

 

[kittythehare]

an article out today stated (and i'm taking all with a grain of salt right now) that it was a childhood acquaintance. That they had been at another strip joint and then at the one where the shooting took place. Its not very clear where the altercation started, but shooter and JB were in a fight in the street, when a gun was handed to the shooter and JB and his friend were shot, the friend died and JB was shot in the foot. The guy who handed the gun to the shooter (no name/no arrest) had a court date on Oct. 3rd. and one coming up on Oct 31st. VERY strange.... if JB knew shooter but didn't give up name, why? Def. need more answers.

That means Joshua was carrying the burden of his friend's murder too?
Wow!
I felt this sadness reading his fb.. His vid on his trip to Vegas.. Great and he made money, looked like, but he was alone and reaching out..
When I heard he was dead...I didn't know it was murder at first...or for a while.
That poor kid!
(I know he wasn't a chid, but he had the vulnerability of a child in so many ways, IMO)

 

[Hope4More]

Deleted.

 

[kittythehare]

I dearly hope prosecutors knew nothing of the prior shooting. If they did, forcing Joshua to testify was unconscionable. The State absolutely did not need his testimony to convict Guyger.

Talk about no good deed goes unpunished....

They would have had to have known.
BUT, maybe they agreed to keep it out of court for his protection, but still his real address was given?
BUT, we still have no confirmation his murder was related to that shooting, do we?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I watched the video and near the end, he put his wallet in his pocket.

A few hours later, he is found shot and died.

So IMO, he had his wallet and phone on him when he left his apartment.

Was he wallet missing when they found him shot ?

Hmmm. Who could confiscate his wallet,and phone?????

 

[kittythehare]

Hmmm. Who could confiscate his wallet,and phone?????

Nobody did, as far as I know. The question arose because his body carried no identification and some people were speculating on whether he carried any or had it stolen. And if he had carried ID would it be in his wallet..that is all.

 

[Aydrianna523]

I know a little about that.. the video was made in May.. if it's same video.
I wason Twitter the night she loaded it, it was quite dramatic... but, it did leave me with the impression that she was pacing for at least 30 minutes, probably because the thing was on loop and I hadn't checked.
She did submit it. Her GoFund Me made her an unreliable witness so she wasn't called to testify. I asked around about her current location and status and nobody knew. Lots of people were asking because we expected her to testify... That's not much of an answer, I know.
The gag order would have been relevant at the time that video had been made.

Are you thinking she could publish it now? Or is it a forever gag order? There's so many legal loopholes! If you have evidence NEVER DO A GO FUND ME I guess.... stuff no one really knows.

 

[BellaVita]

Hmmm. Who could confiscate his wallet,and phone?????

Oh, I'm sure it was the hitmen hired by DPD. Because in a professional hit, a phone and wallet would def be taken. No way could it be some guy with a beef from a shooting at a strip club at 4:45AM! No way. No way could it be a random looking for money and a nice iPhone. Definitely go with DPD!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Dallas PD
Homicide On Cedar Springs Road
The Dallas Police Department Homicide Unit is asking for the public’s assistance regarding this murder and is encouraging anyone with information to contact Detective Jacob White at 214-671-3690 or via email: [email protected]. Please refer to case no. 202433-2019.

CRIME STOPPERS

Crime Stoppers will pay up to $5,000 for information called into Crime Stoppers that leads to the arrest and indictment for this felony offense and other felony offenses. Call Crime Stoppers at 214-373-TIPS (8477), 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

By DPDPIO • Posted in Dallas Police Department

not good, is it?
Edit- 'Multiple gunshot wounds to his lower body'
No mouth, heart back side or heart shots!!
Lee Merrit just caused mass hysteria and incited thousands... for what??
I feel sick, but not as sick as his family will feel. I hope they find somebody better to look out for their rights.
Not a single witness or video clip has appeared on social media.
Who and where are these witnesses?

If the DPD has as much integrity as it should it might be beneficial to call in the FBI on this one. For obvious reasons.
MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“The circumstances surrounding the murder of Mr. Brown cries out for answers. Most importantly, it demands an independent investigation of how and why he was killed,” said Sherrilyn Ifill, LDF’s President and Director-Counsel. “We urge state or federal authorities to follow the trail of misconduct left by this case and fully investigate the circumstances surrounding Mr. Brown’s death. It is critical to public confidence in the administration of justice that witnesses who speak out against police violence are fully protected. The suspicious circumstances of Mr. Brown’s killing should cause great alarm and demand an immediate and piercing inquiry.”

The group said it echoes Allison Jean’s statement that the ‘corruption we saw during this process must stop,’ and support her request for a comprehensive federal investigation of the Dallas Police Department.
NAACP Calls for Independent Investigation into Death of Key Witness in Guyger Trial

 

[imstilla.grandma]

City officials say they are confident there will be a thorough investigation and to avoid speculation about Brown's murder.

Dallas officials confident for a thorough investigation into shooting death of Joshua Brown

 

[kittythehare]

Are you thinking she could publish it now? Or is it a forever gag order? There's so many legal loopholes! If you have evidence NEVER DO A GO FUND ME I guess.... stuff no one really knows.

The Go Fund Me was started by someone else and she took it over, herself.
I don't see why there should be a gag order on it at this stage...
There was nothing on it we didn't see already.. most media got permission from her to use it at the time..
She kinda lost me on the book deal she was considering... it's an essay, at most..
have a feeling there may be an unfair dismissal case pending.
I never recalled her identification being published at the time but I could have missed that?