TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[BellaVita]

One can go from Saint to Sinner pretty fast here on Websleuths. This whole Amber Guyger fiasco has been quite interesting in terms of human nature and how quickly people will change sides.

Not everyone has changed sides. Some have and more power to them. There's no shame because what you believed may have been wrong or misinformed by those with an agenda, who have ridiculous claims, hoping to incite fury. It takes a big person to come back to the thread and say they didn't think this would be the truth about what happened. There are many posting here this very day who obliquely posted their thoughts. With much more circumspection than the DPD conspiracy theorists. Because those who dared question or state outright that they did not believe DPD to be involved were shot down at every turn. There were blinders on. IMO.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

AirBnB's in different states? Is that at all likely?

@jjenny we're either debating a troll or someone we'll never see eye-to-eye with. Do what you want, but I'm going to try to do some good in an active case.

 

[grammieto5]

For what reason?

I'm thinking with the drug deal the defense could say JB "could" have been high when he came home from the bar. He did say he took a lift because he knew he wouldn't be able to drive. The defense could say he couldn't be trusted to be testifying truthfully. The defense can appeal on anything, but will it stick. I think the jury should be asked if his testimony played an important part in their decisions for the verdict and sentencing.

 

[BellaVita]

He didn't want to bother with testifying. I think either in his zeal to see AG convicted, or as a result of collecting reward money, (I don't know which, but something made this drug dealer come forward) he gave a statement. Then when it came time to testify, he didn't want to be there. He was in California prior to the day of his testimony. So, he didn't want to be there and couldn't be bothered with dressing appropriately for court. The judge glared at him when he asked to be excused or if he could leave, and she remarked, "Surprised he even bothered to show up." (Per YouTube video of trial.) He met in chambers with the Judge prior to giving his testimony. Whatever he said was not well received by the Judge.

And it's been alleged in articles that the prosecution had to threaten him with arrest and contempt if he didn't show up.

I don't think he was afraid. I think he just couldn't be bothered. moo

I will tell everyone something. One of the big reasons he may have testified. He was told there would be a warrant put out for his arrest. Well, drug dealers do not like the possibility of warrants hanging around out there. Why? Because LE will be looking for them and when LE catches up to them, they may be caught with drugs. No dealer wants an outstanding warrant. Dealers regularly go the courthouse and ask if there are any warrants so they can turn themselves in. At time and place of their own choosing. IME.

 

[jjenny]

I am thinking what really is in trouble is the murder case in which JB was a witness and was shot in the foot. Because it sounds like there he was really going to be a key witness. Not sure that case can even proceed without him.

 

[cody22]

I am thinking what really is in trouble is the murder case in which JB was a witness and was shot in the foot. Because it sounds like there he was really going to be a key witness. Not sure that case can even proceed without him.

Idle Musing - I wonder if this might really have been a hit put out on JB all along( over the November case), with the drug deal as the hit partial payoff bait, that reeled JB into shooting range ?.....moo

 

[Kakidoll]

I didn't say he was. But the prosecution has to operate within rules. So does the defense.

The last gun shot is no big mystery. He and his buddy left a strip club at closing time. He got into a physical altercation with someone who eventually shot him. He is not unknown. He's awaiting trial.

You need to read a bit more. The shooter is still on the loose. The guy who handed him the gun is out on bond.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

So Joshua Brown was a witness to another murder?

Yes, and I don't see why he wasn't charged then. He and the defendant were arguing outside a strip club they just left. Then it turned into assault (both sides/ Brown and defendant), then the other guy killed Brown's buddy and shot Brown in the foot. If it was felonious assault, then all involved should have been charged in his buddy's death.

 

[Seattle1]

One huge problem is that he didn't plead the 5th. If he didn't really didn't make a living with the ABBs, or however he phrased it on the stand, then he perjured himself.

No reason to take the 5th. That's not how it works.

Airbnb is a often a front for illegal activity to launder money. I've no doubt that JB had Airbnb management contracts. I'm sure the prosecution verified he had a couple of contracts. They would not throw him to the wolves (defense) while promoting he perjure himself.

JB could have easily said I'm in between jobs -- I was a former roofer.

He had no reason to say he managed a couple of Airbnb's unless it was true.

Come on folks --JB was a witness -- he wasn't the person on trial!

MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Idle Musing - I wonder if this might really have been a hit put out on JB all along( over the November case), with the drug deal as the hit partial payoff bait, that reeled JB into shooting range ?.....moo

Interesting theory! What possible connections do we know about the defendant and these 3?

 

[kittythehare]

Idle Musing - I wonder if this might really have been a hit put out on JB all along( over the November case), with the drug deal as the hit partial payoff bait, that reeled JB into shooting range ?.....moo

Thinking the same.

 

[cody22]

Interesting theory! What possible connections do we know about the defendant and these 3?

One of the possible "Louisiana hit crew" had a relative living in the area, didn't he ?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Sorry mate -- you got that wrong.

Three men (K Morris, N Diggs, and unnamed suspect) were celebrating a birthday at several clubs 11/23/18. They later encountered JB at Gentlemen's Club where unnamed suspect and JB were in a street fight.

Witnesses state K Morris handed the unnamed suspect a gun, and this suspect shot N Diggs dead, and wounded JB. K Morris -- the accomplice suspect was arrested, and indicted for murder.

The alleged unnamed shooter is still at large. Nobody has given him up -- dudes got some powerful street cred.

Doesn't take much to see that the bullet was meant for JB -- and not N Diggs that shooter and K Morris were celebrating with.

Accomplice K Morris is going to trial for murder -- while unnamed suspect shooter could be drinking margaritas in Mexico....

My mistake. Sorry. Thanks for the corrected info.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, and I don't see why he wasn't charged then. He and the defendant were arguing outside a strip club they just left. Then it turned into assault (both sides/ Brown and defendant), then the other guy killed Brown's buddy and shot Brown in the foot. If it was felonious assault, then all involved should have been charged in his buddy's death.

This is inaccurate.
Kendall Morris's friend killed Kendall Morris's friend , a guy called Nicholas Diggs. It was believed that Brown was his intended victim.
Brown was also shot in that altercation.
Brown was a victim. Diggs was a victim.

It is outrageous to suggest that Brown should be charged with the murder of Nicholas Diggs.

 

[kittythehare]

One of the possible "Louisiana hit crew" had a relative living in the area, didn't he ?

tell more, please...

 

[Kakidoll]

I think there will be a connection between unnamed shooter in November and the 3 that came to do the drug deal with JB. But since he is still nameless as far as we know... and its been almost a year..... who knows.

As for the Airbnb. I can say i manage 3 Airbnb's on the stand and it be the truth. I don't have to go further and say that i'm running a house of prostitution out of them. So he did NOT perjure himself on the stand. Its all in what you DON"T say.

 

[Kakidoll]

Actually, to go one step further. One of the 3 that came from LA and is still on the loose (Green) COULD actually be the unnamed shooter from November. Or it could simply be another drug deal gone wrong. But thats now 2 fights that JB was in and ended up shot, that we KNOW of.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Idle Musing - I wonder if this might really have been a hit put out on JB all along( over the November case), with the drug deal as the hit partial payoff bait, that reeled JB into shooting range ?.....moo

Talk about taking advantage of a situation! Hey, whoever said being a drug dealer takes methodology, I changed my mind. I agree that being a high level drug dealer takes methodology. But I don't think JB was too high level though.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I think there will be a connection between unnamed shooter in November and the 3 that came to do the drug deal with JB. But since he is still nameless as far as we know... and its been almost a year..... who knows.

As for the Airbnb. I can say i manage 3 Airbnb's on the stand and it be the truth. I don't have to go further and say that i'm running a house of prostitution out of them. So he did NOT perjure himself on the stand. Its all in what you DON"T say.

You can't say that if you don't actually manage them.

 

[jjenny]

Why exactly prosecution was so keen on JB testifying?
"Joshua Brown was no stranger to police. He was arrested in at least five different cities across Texas."
Joshua Brown had long criminal history including drug dealing, documents show