TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[GoBuckeyes]

Not obvious to me whatsoever. Did DA knew how he made his living? If so was it disclosed to the defense?

moo, when the hubbub dies down, AG's defense attorney will file an appeal based upon Brown.

 

[kittythehare]

How is it obvious that the defense was informed?

Because his criminal record was disclosed in open court for all the world to see and hear.

 

[Lillymac]

I said more than once here: Many will be sorely disappointed when the truth comes out. I understand what drug dealing looks like because I lived around it. I understand that JB lived in nice areas, much nicer than where I was, but I understood clearly what was going on with him. I once posted: It's not what you think, MOO. Nobody was able to post any opinion contrary to the narrative that this was revenge for AG testimony without being lambasted. I posted several times that there was ZERO chance DPD was involved and I was asked for links. The tide sure has changed.

I did the same on the other thread and was called a racists and said that I was spreading hate. No, no, no!! It's not a surprise to me!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Can't object to what?

I was responding to @kittythehare, who wrote"His record was disclosed.
There is no evidence to suggest he had anything to gain by lying or that any of his testimony was untruthful.
Did the court and DA know he was an active dealer?
He did meet Judge Kemp in chambers prior to testifying.
It is possible they knew.
And obviously the defense were also informed.
They did not object to anything he said."

 

[jjenny]

I was responding to @kittythehare, who wrote"His record was disclosed.
There is no evidence to suggest he had anything to gain by lying or that any of his testimony was untruthful.
Did the court and DA know he was an active dealer?
He did meet Judge Kemp in chambers prior to testifying.
It is possible they knew.
And obviously the defense were also informed.
They did not object to anything he said."

Again, don't see anything "obviously" about this.

 

[Seattle1]

Was he asked on a stand on how he made his living?

Yes -- he testified he was managing 4 Airbnb properties (which was actually 3): two in LA, and one in Atlanta -- and hoping to add another in Dallas. He also testified he'd previously done roofing. before.

 

[jjenny]

Yes -- he testified he was managing 4 Airbnb properties (which was actually 3): two in LA, and one in Atlanta -- and hoping to add another in Dallas. He also testified he'd previously done roofing. before.

So he testified under oath that he made his living managing Airbnbs, and is anybody here going to argue that that's how he actually made his living?

 

[Lillymac]

What was the significance of JB's testimony as opposed to anyone else's?

 

[jjenny]

Because his criminal record was disclosed in open court for all the world to see and hear.

What was his past record and how does that prove that defense know what he was up to in the present?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

That is not clear at all.
She treated him with compassion and was moved by his tears which I believe were genuine when he discussed BothamJean's morning singing.
She saw he was upset, anybody would have been and she granted a short recess. She also expressed sadness at news of his death. All links upthread.
The defense was grasping at straws, it's highly unlikely they would have missed it.

We see the situation differently. That's okay; the truth will come out. For now, we'll just have to wait and see who knew what and when.

 

[jjenny]

What was the significance of JB's testimony as opposed to anyone else's?

Honestly I don't think it was all that significant but when he was killed plenty of people were claiming it was to prevent him to testify in a possible retrial.

 

[Falcon500]

moo, when the hubbub dies down, AG's defense attorney will file an appeal based upon Brown.

For what reason?

 

[kittythehare]

moo, when the hubbub dies down, AG's defense attorney will file an appeal based upon Brown.

Are you sure about that?
They will certainly file an appeal.
But all he testified to was the acoustics in his apartment, 2 arm spans away from Botham Jean's apartment, that he never heard her giving police commands.
That in itself is moot because her conviction was not formed on the basis of this one testimony. The girl next door also testified she did not hear the commands. She went on to her balcony and stated NJ's lights were ON in his apartment and she wondered whether he had heard the shots.

Now, opinions here are at polar opposites to the value of his testimony. I believe it was valuable, others do not. I think the girl next door's testimony was more valuable because she testified to lights on, Amber Guyger stated she only knew she was in the wrong apartment when she switched the lights on.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

In his dreams!!

See my emoji after my statement...

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Again, don't see anything "obviously" about this.

Agreed! I don't either.

 

[kittythehare]

Again, don't see anything "obviously" about this.

well, what can be more obvious than his declaration in open court that he had prior convictions?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Agreed! I don't either.

I didn't make that statement, @kittythehare did.

 

[jjenny]

well, what can be more obvious than his declaration in open court that he had prior convictions?

How does it tell what he does for a living?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Are you sure about that?
They will certainly file an appeal.
But all he testified to was the acoustics in his apartment, 2 arm spans away from Botham Jean's apartment, that he never heard her giving police commands.
That in itself is moot because her conviction was not formed on the basis of this one testimony. The girl next door also testified she did not hear the commands. She went on to her balcony and stated NJ's lights were ON in his apartment and she wondered whether he had heard the shots.

Now, opinions here are at polar opposites to the value of his testimony. I believe it was valuable, others do not. I think the girl next door's testimony was more valuable because she testified to lights on, Amber Guyger stated she only knew she was in the wrong apartment when she switched the lights on.

Content to agree to disagree and to wait and see.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

How does it tell what he does for a living?

If the prosecution knowingly used a witness who perjured himself on the stand....doesn't bode well for the prosecution.