AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[diggndeeperstill]

I wish he had chosen a diff lab but...here we are.

Do we know a different lab would be faster?

 

[thefragile7393]

Patience please, this isn’t a 60 minute police show on television. Please refer to the Idaho 4 murders: Rhoden/Wagner case, Alex Murdaugh etc., these real life situations are difficult to solve. And not to forget Joesph James Angelo (AKA “ The Golfen State Killer”) it took 38 years to arrest him!

38 years isn't exactly hope inducing IMO.

 

[thefragile7393]

Do we know a different lab would be faster?

FBI lab potentially. There's rumors I won't repeat about it, but IMO possibly.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Does anyone have information about whether dogs were used in the traffic stop, Range Rover situation? Wondering if something was scented that led LE to impound vs release.

 

[Bluewing3102]

Patience please, this isn’t a 60 minute police show on television. Please refer to the Idaho 4 murders: Rhoden/Wagner case, Alex Murdaugh etc., these real life situations are difficult to solve. And not to forget Joesph James Angelo (AKA “ The Golfen State Killer”) it took 38 years to arrest him!

I understand the frustration as I have it too. LE believe this was a kidnapping. You don't have weeks, months or years to find an elderly woman in need of medication- alive. If the Sheriff came out and said "this is now a homicide investigation", i'm sure the public would be more patient. IMO

 

[TBYOOL]

Agreed. It may have happened – we don't know. He may have left using the front door. LE will know if they have internal footage, depending on storage, but we don't.

If we're going to continue to beat the dead horse of how long the garage was open, I think we should refer back to the actual words the sheriff used in the press conference:


BBM, source is at about 6:55 in this video:

So, the sheriff is going out of his way to emphasize "approximately." And we also can see that the times are rounded to the minute, so even if we take those timestamps as gospel, IMO it could have been closer to 3 minutes than two. We don't have enough information to know.

JMO, this debate over the garage door long ago started generating more heat than light, but if we're gonna do it, we should use the full context.

After years of lurking, this is my first post. And it was going to be the post above! I agree completely. What’s more, and I don’t usually like over-parsing words, but the use of “approximately” as referenced in the above post and news story for entry at 9:48 is followed by what appears to be a more definitive 9:50. Regardless, even if only entry was approximate, it opens up a window of time beyond two minutes. MOO

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

If this is what happened, isn't it foolish of this guy to alert the door bell camera that he was on the premises while he is still trying to gain entry?

A detective was on tv the other day and he said sometimes we can’t apply logic to the things criminals do.

This whole crime defies logic.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023078791862800654

Surprised they wouldn’t run preliminary results and then also the final results just to get a potential head start on investigation.

 

[SMK777]

I understand the frustration as I have it too. LE believe this was a kidnapping. You don't have weeks, months or years to find an elderly woman in need of medication- alive. If the Sheriff came out and said "this is now a homicide investigation", i'm sure the public would be more patient. IMO

Yes, he should have put it that way.
No abductors are going to take care of an elderly woman for years.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Does anyone have information about whether dogs were used in the traffic stop, Range Rover situation? Wondering if something was scented that led LE to impound vs release.

The only thing I wonder about that is the tape they put on the back. Is that normal if impounded for drugs if that is what you are inferring?

Nancy Guthrie update: Range Rover SUV seized by FBI

FBI agents and local law enforcement officers were seen carrying out the search in a parking lot of Culver’s restaurant in Tucson.

www.newsweek.com

 

[OldCop]

Why all the emphasis upon the perp? Why not searches and Tucson requests to look around properties? Organized searches ringing Tucson? Along Mt Lemon? Note it's 26 miles from top to bottom of Mt Lemon - a lot deserted. Where is NG? Finding NG is a time element: meds, age. The perp can be found later.

I understand your question. LE has both options. However, the time it takes to search the vast deserts, ravines, mountains in this area could take the years the sheriff referred to in his recent statements. Bodies are found in these desolate areas decades after they have gone missing.
However, if you find the perpetrator(s), you at least have a chance to find your victim. You can use their capture to negotiate jail time, death penalty etc if they lead LE to the victim, whether alive or deceased. If there is more than one perp arrested, you can play one against the other.
Searches without knowledge of the general area where the victim was dropped is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

 

[SMK777]

Does anyone have information about whether dogs were used in the traffic stop, Range Rover situation? Wondering if something was scented that led LE to impound vs release.

I've searched extensively and can't find anything suggesting K9 police dogs were used with regard to the Range Rover.

 

[MassGuy]

Surprised they wouldn’t run preliminary results and then also the final results just to get a potential head start on investigation.

It’s illegal to upload a profile to CODIS unless all steps are done.

 

[Nikynoo]

Makes sense, especially since the home’s door to the garage is on the left side (when facing into the garage). Pulling into the garage would place the front passenger door (assuming that’s where she was) opposite the house door. Pulling parallel to the garage door would provide the shortest distance to the house door, also allowing the door to close ASAP since no vehicle is inside.

I believe from pictures in the media that Nancys car was in the garage (until at least the following Thursday). I believe posters identified NGs car as a Suburu. IIRC NGs car was placed to the right of the garage as you look at it. I’ll be back with links and pics.

Nancy Guthrie's home swept again as authorities investigate new message

A potential ransom note sent to TMZ reportedly contained information suggesting Nancy Guthrie may no longer be in Tucson, Arizona. The investigation into Guthrie’s disappearance is in its sixth day as the FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information.

www.foxnews.com

 

[diggndeeperstill]

If the RR was involved NG's abduction, seems like the owner would want to sell it ASAP. If so, selling it in Phoenix and getting the car out of town would have been smarter. JMO

Unless it wasn’t theirs to sell? Borrowed?

 

[UsernameRequired]

The gloves found approximately 2 miles from the Guthrie residence in a field near the side of the road were packaged up by PCOS and sent overnight on 2/12 and they arrived at their private lab in Florida on 2/13. The FBI received preliminary results yesterday on 2/14 and are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown male profile into CoDIS, the national database unique to the bureau. This process typically takes 24 hours from when the bureau receives DNA. Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’s gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity. The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video. The FBI has and will continue to provide assistance on whatever timeline is provided to us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023080846148989142

 

[flakesofsnow]

JMO, I think you might be overestimating how hard it is to obscure your origin on the internet. Routing your activity through countries that don't cooperate well with western law enforcement and/or through systems that don't keep detailed logs is not rocket science, and can dramatically slow down LE's ability to follow the path. Even if they can eventually do it, it can take a very long time.

Also, FWIW I have not seen any reporting that emails were sent, but if anyone does have confirmation of that, I'd love to see it. The reporting I have seen said that it was sent via the "tip submission system," which sounds like a web form, not an email. That doesn't dramatically change what's involved in tracing it, but it does make some difference. Of course, so many messages have been sent to so many different media outlets at this point that it's very possible there was a mix of emails and other methods.

Source for the "tip submission system" reporting: What we know about the ransom notes in the Nancy Guthrie case

Harvey Levin says it was an email 265K views · 1.4K reactions | FULL INTERVIEW: Harvey Levin details third letter sent to TMZ on America's Newsroom, telling Bill Hemmer the note contains an active email address. “We got kind of a bizarre letter, an email from somebody who says they know who the kidnapper is and that they have tried reaching Savannah's sister Annie and Savannah's brother to no avail…" “They said they want one Bitcoin sent to a Bitcoin address that we have confirmed is active. It's a real Bitcoin address, and as they put it: ‘Time is more than relevant.’” “We have no idea whether this is real or not. But they are making a demand.” | Fox News

 

[loves2readhistory]

I have to wonder if the picture of the kidnapper (the one without the gun and backpack) is from January 11.
Possibly a peeping Tom type who stepped up his game.

If the RR was involved NG's abduction, seems like the owner would want to sell it ASAP. If so, selling it in Phoenix and getting the car out of town would have been smarter. JMO

When you say “the owner” do you mean the man driving the car at the Culver traffic stop?
The “dealership” that sold the car to that driver/owner?

I don’t think any legitimate news source like local TV, a newspaper, a reliable crime source has given any real/factual info about that ownership history—I think that absence of followup is actually pretty unusual in itself. No reputable source has taken the information available on places like X and FB with individuals speculating and run it down to confirm or refute.
Because taking a car away from a “person of interest” to quote the Sheriff seems pretty significant to me. There had to be something found in/on that car at that stop to REQUIRE its custody by LE.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/nancy-guthrie-man-detained-was-person-interest-sheriff-says#

Who may have had access to that Range Rover when Nancy Guthrie was abducted?
That is the real question as much as was that specific car involved in the crime.

 

[joe jones]

It's baffling, to be honest. To pull this off with all kinds of advanced technology surveillance working against you, and involving the FBI and a famous person.

If he didn't take his phone then they have no way to track him, appears there isn't a lot of cameras in the area recording number plates so no idea what car he drove, he appears to have taken nothing of NG for LE to track such as her phone or Apple watch, so technology wise they have little to go on, and IMO the masked intruder video may not be as helpful as we think, ie Missy Bevers,

he IMO has dumped her body somewhere and gone home and is carrying on as if nothing has happened, such as the murderer of Abby and Libby,

it may come down to a neighbor possibly finding something unusual on a camera recording, or if he left DNA and is in the system, or a suspicious family member and/or a lot of luck

many murders are never solved, especially stranger ones

 

[Trino]

I understand your question. LE has both options. However, the time it takes to search the vast deserts, ravines, mountains in this area could take the years the sheriff referred to in his recent statements. Bodies are found in these desolate areas decades after they have gone missing.
However, if you find the perpetrator(s), you at least have a chance to find your victim. You can use their capture to negotiate jail time, death penalty etc if they lead LE to the victim, whether alive or deceased. If there is more than one perp arrested, you can play one against the other.
Searches without knowledge of the general area where the victim was dropped is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

Desert = 90 days to a skeleton. Clothes are scattered near body. Again. Ask residents. Nobody is going to search the entire Sonoran. It's 100,000 sq miles. Someone from the area wanting to leave a body isn't going to go far into the desert. SEARCH nearby Tucson. And, ask yourself. What does SG want? Her mother. Then SG can get on with her life. LE can do the rest.