TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[Aydrianna523]

That video was seized by prosecutors and has not been seen by the public. In addition, she was placed under a gag order by the prosecution and cannot discuss the details of the video in public. Despite the fact she was only a witness to the shooting, she has received death threats and now she says she has been fired from her job.
https://atlantadailyworld.com/2019/...r-amber-guyger-shoot-botham-jean-fired-video/

Yes, thanks for explaining it. Hmmm, why would a witness be under a gag order AFTER a trial is over?

 

[Aydrianna523]

The attorney for Botham Jean's family is also the attorney for Brown and says he should have been protected after he testified at Guyger's murder trial. The Jean family has filed a civil case against the city of Dallas for the murder of their son Botham. Merritt says Brown would have been one of their first witnesses.
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"To have a key witness, suddenly be killed is suspicious. Was this related to the trial? There is no clear indication," Merritt told CBS News' Omar Villafranca.
Slain witness in ex-cop's trial would have testified in civil case against Dallas police

Being a high profile case, I think he should have been protected at least til things calmed down a bit. (KK in another high profile case is in hiding somewhere, for example). Our legal system is so 'over the place' as far as judgments and sentencing is concerned. Justice is supposed to be blind, but it's not really imo.

 

[Aydrianna523]

You gotta wonder if the normal apartment dweller doesn't shoot people if they go to the wrong apartment, why would this happen?! Is it reasonable? The jury decided.
Why 5 years for murder is still beyond comprehension for many.
Why? Because she's a cop? Because she's young and innocent appearing. Or something else. We can only guess. I think it's obvious sentencing is way over the place when it comes to murder and it can be shocking...

 

[Aydrianna523]

Venting, but it's one of those cases shocking to many people nationwide. It truly seems incredulous. I've had two guys walk up to my apartment by mistake. No. One. Died.
The craziness is that if someone comes into your apartment, you actually have a right to kill them.

 

[Momof4RN]

Botham Jean's neighbor Joshua Brown was 'assassinated', lawyer says | Daily Mail Online

Oct 6, 2019

Amber Guyger witness Joshua Brown was targeted for death in an 'assassination,' his family's lawyer told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview Sunday.

And S. Lee Merritt said he is refusing to rule out that police were somehow involved in the shooting that took Brown's life just two days after his evidence had helped convict the Dallas cop of the murder of neighbor Botham Jean in a nationally watched trial.

'It is a possibility,' Merritt said. 'I don't have any evidence other than the timing, but I am not ruling anything out.

ETA: We knew Merritt represented BR's family, and it looks like his latest client is JB's family re. family's lawyer?

Well since he mentioned timing...it is also suspicious timing that Kendall Morris had a court date set for Thurs. Oct. 3 (1 day before the murder) and another one is set for Oct. 31. I can’t seem to find the info on these appearances but suspicious timing non the less.

https://www.dallascounty.org/criminalBackgroundSearch/defendant_detail?ln=01

 

[Aydrianna523]

Well since he mentioned timing...it is also suspicious timing that Kendall Morris had a court date set for Thurs. Oct. 3 (1 day before the murder) and another one is set for Oct. 31. I can’t seem to find the info on these appearances but suspicious timing non the less.

https://www.dallascounty.org/criminalBackgroundSearch/defendant_detail?ln=01

If it's a hit by KM, let's hope they can figure it out. That would definitely narrow it down...a silver car. If he was part of a gang. Or if someone could tell the shooter's race....some kind of identification.

 

[Momof4RN]

If it's a hit by KM, let's hope they can figure it out. That would definitely narrow it down...a silver car. If he was part of a gang. Or if someone could tell the shooter's race....some kind of identification.

I think Mr Merritt and the public needs to let the investigation move forward in a non biased way. There are clearly too many scenarios at play here. Jumping to conclusions and releasing false and/or unverified information will only hinder the investigation. Until there is an arrest and true evidence in the case I think Mr Merritt would be wise to remain silent. MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[BellaVita]

Being a high profile case, I think he should have been protected at least til things calmed down a bit. (KK in another high profile case is in hiding somewhere, for example). Our legal system is so 'over the place' as far as judgments and sentencing is concerned. Justice is supposed to be blind, but it's not really imo.

You might want to research the makeup of the jury. Don't want to add anything else as this type of discussion is against TOS in this case.

 

[Aydrianna523]

You might want to research the makeup of the jury. Don't want to add anything else as this type of discussion is against TOS in this case.

Thanks for answering. I think I understand jury selection. I'm not young.

 

[Hope4More]

The information above posted by Imstilla paints a much different picture of JB than what was originally out there. I wonder just how much of a spin was put on originally by Merritt. He did NOT want to Testify. He had moved from fear of the people in the Nov. shooting. Now it comes out he knew the people involved in the Nov shooting from childhood.
Yet before this came out, he was a good boy, never in trouble, no enemies, no one would want to hurt him, and it HAD to be because of the AG trial. The more that comes out, the more i'm thinking he has more of a sketchy background than we know, and it was hidden in the trial to make him the kind of witness the state wanted.

I have to go back to re listen to testimony, but even the dates/numbers of him living in TX don't add up with the Florida dates. Please correct me if i'm wrong. He stated he was back in texas for 8 years. Yet he played football at FSU in 2012. He was an athlete turned entrepreneur. Who did he work for/with? He managed AirBnbs in other states? Who owned them?

I want to know what the fight was about back in November that ended in a shooting.
Why was he only at FSU for one season?
How'd he pay the bills?

His friend said he was staying home that night, yet his video suggests different. Every article put out just raises more questions for me. And boy has Merritt inserted himself deeply in this.... MOO.

I genuinely don't understand why you keep making disparaging assumptions about Joshua Brown, a victim just murdered.

1. Joshua voluntarily cooperated with LE investigating Jean's murder. He didn't have to, and many peeps wouldn't have. I'd wager that close to none would in his position, given his fear of being hunted down by the guy who had shot him.

Not wanting to testify at all, much less for the State ("snitch!!!!!") in a high profile murder trial is RATIONAL, not evidence of a "sketchy" past.

2. You mock the description of him as a "good boy." Boy? He was a 28 year old man. With a college education, employed, and willing to voluntarily provide evidence to LE to help get justice for a man he met for the first time the day he was murdered. The only mark against him, for those looking to impugn his character, is that he been busted once on a drug charge. Big whoopity.

3. Maybe he knew suspect #2, maybe he didn't. What difference does that make? Guilt by association?

((Suspect #2 was never arrested. If Joshua knew him, Joshua chose not to turn him in. Why would suspect #2 come after him now?))

4. The background of trial witnesses doesn't "get buried." Joshua was a State witness. The defense team was allowed to depose him, ask him whatever they wanted, and to have used it against him at trial to discredit his testimony. If there had been anything relevant or useful. Nope.

Joshua was an effective witness. He is also a victim.

 

[BellaVita]

Thanks for answering. I think I understand jury selection. I'm not young.

Has nothing to do with selection. It's the makeup...not the selection.

 

[BellaVita]

I genuinely don't understand why you keep making disparaging assumptions about Joshua Brown, a victim just murdered.

1. Joshua voluntarily cooperated with LE investigating Jean's murder. He didn't have to, and many peeps wouldn't have. I'd wager that close to none would in his position, given his fear of being hunted down by the guy who had shot him.

Not wanting to testify at all, much less for the State ("snitch!!!!!") in a high profile murder trial is RATIONAL, not evidence of a "sketchy" past.

2. You mock the description of him as a "good boy." Boy? He was a 28 year old man. With a college education, employed, and willing to voluntarily provide evidence to LE to help get justice for a man he met for the first time the day he was murdered. The only mark against him, for those looking to impugn his character, is that he been busted once on a drug charge. Big whoopity.

3. Maybe he knew suspect #2, maybe he didn't. What difference does that make? Guilt by association?

((Suspect #2 was never arrested. If Joshua knew him, Joshua chose not to turn him in. Why would suspect #2 come after him now?))

4. The background of trial witnesses doesn't "get buried." Joshua was a State witness. The defense team was allowed to depose him, ask him whatever they wanted, and to have used it against him at trial to discredit his testimony. If there had been anything relevant or useful. Nope.

Joshua was an effective witness. He is also a victim.

Joshua Brown was thrust into a spotlight he didn't want in ex-cop's murder trial. He was killed 10 days later - CNN
He had to be subpoenaed to testify.

 

[Kakidoll]

I genuinely don't understand why you keep making disparaging assumptions about Joshua Brown, a victim just murdered.

1. Joshua voluntarily cooperated with LE investigating Jean's murder. He didn't have to, and many peeps wouldn't have. I'd wager that close to none would in his position, given his fear of being hunted down by the guy who had shot him.

Not wanting to testify at all, much less for the State ("snitch!!!!!") in a high profile murder trial is RATIONAL, not evidence of a "sketchy" past.

2. You mock the description of him as a "good boy." Boy? He was a 28 year old man. With a college education, employed, and willing to voluntarily provide evidence to LE to help get justice for a man he met for the first time the day he was murdered. The only mark against him, for those looking to impugn his character, is that he been busted once on a drug charge. Big whoopity.

3. Maybe he knew suspect #2, maybe he didn't. What difference does that make? Guilt by association?

((Suspect #2 was never arrested. If Joshua knew him, Joshua chose not to turn him in. Why would suspect #2 come after him now?))

4. The background of trial witnesses doesn't "get buried." Joshua was a State witness. The defense team was allowed to depose him, ask him whatever they wanted, and to have used it against him at trial to discredit his testimony. If there had been anything relevant or useful. Nope.

Joshua was an effective witness. He is also a victim.

Sorry, but you read much more into what i wrote and are picking it apart.
1. he was subpoenaed, he did NOT want to testify. It stated in the article as he was scared because of the Nov. shooting and he was 'laying low'
2. They have changed how they are portraying him multiple times. I'm using words from MSM Articles.
3. It also states he KNEW suspect 2, from childhood. he FOUGHT with subject 2, subject 2 SHOT him. Yes, good question as to why he wasn't caught since he knew him, if THAT article is true. Pretty strange you don't give the name of the guy that killed your friend, IMO
4. There is a lot not brought into trial that is known about situations. We both know that.

Some say he helped AG's case more that the Prosecutors. Some don't agree. So what that he was an effective witness? UNLESS he was murdered BECAUSE of it. Yes, he is a victim now, and i'll be curious to see the outcome of what he was doing WHILE shot and if it was due to past actions/confrontations, current ones, or just wrong place/wrong time. There is a LOT not known yet.
4.

 

[bwt42]

I genuinely don't understand why you keep making disparaging assumptions about Joshua Brown, a victim just murdered.

1. Joshua voluntarily cooperated with LE investigating Jean's murder. He didn't have to, and many peeps wouldn't have. I'd wager that close to none would in his position, given his fear of being hunted down by the guy who had shot him.

Not wanting to testify at all, much less for the State ("snitch!!!!!") in a high profile murder trial is RATIONAL, not evidence of a "sketchy" past.

2. You mock the description of him as a "good boy." Boy? He was a 28 year old man. With a college education, employed, and willing to voluntarily provide evidence to LE to help get justice for a man he met for the first time the day he was murdered. The only mark against him, for those looking to impugn his character, is that he been busted once on a drug charge. Big whoopity.

3. Maybe he knew suspect #2, maybe he didn't. What difference does that make? Guilt by association?

((Suspect #2 was never arrested. If Joshua knew him, Joshua chose not to turn him in. Why would suspect #2 come after him now?))

4. The background of trial witnesses doesn't "get buried." Joshua was a State witness. The defense team was allowed to depose him, ask him whatever they wanted, and to have used it against him at trial to discredit his testimony. If there had been anything relevant or useful. Nope.

Joshua was an effective witness. He is also a victim.

I didn't follow the trial very closely. From comments on this thread & the other thread I got the sense posters considered Joshua some kind of hero god for coming forward and testifying. After hearing he was forced to testify my opinion has changed. jmo

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Venting, but it's one of those cases shocking to many people nationwide. It truly seems incredulous. I've had two guys walk up to my apartment by mistake. No. One. Died.
The craziness is that if someone comes into your apartment, you actually have a right to kill them.

You have the right to kill them if deadly force is immediately necessary to protect yourself. That's not a bad thing, although obviously unfortunate when it happens. (And it does.)

 

[Hope4More]

I didn't follow the trial very closely. From comments on this thread & the other thread I got the sense posters considered Joshua some kind of hero god for coming forward and testifying. After hearing he was forced to testify my opinion has changed. jmo

Seriously? Your opinion of Joshua Brown is changed because he feared testifying? He VOLUNTEERED information to investigating LE. If he hadn't provided that information, he would never have been compelled to testify at trial.

He feared. He testified. He was murdered. And ....you fault him for his fear?

 

[kittythehare]

I didn't follow the trial very closely. From comments on this thread & the other thread I got the sense posters considered Joshua some kind of hero god for coming forward and testifying. After hearing he was forced to testify my opinion has changed. jmo

He was highly praised by Hermus, the prosecutor, and deservedly so IMO.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Sorry, but you read much more into what i wrote and are picking it apart.
1. he was subpoenaed, he did NOT want to testify. It stated in the article as he was scared because of the Nov. shooting and he was 'laying low'
2. They have changed how they are portraying him multiple times. I'm using words from MSM Articles.
3. It also states he KNEW suspect 2, from childhood. he FOUGHT with subject 2, subject 2 SHOT him. Yes, good question as to why he wasn't caught since he knew him, if THAT article is true. Pretty strange you don't give the name of the guy that killed your friend, IMO
4. There is a lot not brought into trial that is known about situations. We both know that.

Some say he helped AG's case more that the Prosecutors. Some don't agree. So what that he was an effective witness? UNLESS he was murdered BECAUSE of it. Yes, he is a victim now, and i'll be curious to see the outcome of what he was doing WHILE shot and if it was due to past actions/confrontations, current ones, or just wrong place/wrong time. There is a LOT not known yet.
4.

RBBM, I'm unsure if it was intentional but your first point comes across as you saying that because he was subpoenaed that it automatically means he was reluctant to testify. Receiving a subpoena/summons has nothing to do with whether one is reluctant or super excited and willing to testify. Witnesses, victims, etc. receive a subpoena to testify at trial regardless of their personal feelings towards being summoned by a court.

 

[BellaVita]

3. Maybe he knew suspect #2, maybe he didn't. What difference does that make? Guilt by association?

((Suspect #2 was never arrested. If Joshua knew him, Joshua chose not to turn him in. Why would suspect #2 come after him now?))

RSBM: BBM: Maybe because suspect #2 now understands about subpoenas? If JB knew him, he should have turned him in for his own good. Stupid not to. Very possible he has run off to parts unknown to LE.