TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[GoBuckeyes]

I realize that people in Dallas are mistrustful and angry, but no one will be heard if you show up to an LE oversight committee meeting and start dropping f-bombs, especially when it wasn't open for public comments or dialogue.

Furthermore, the wrongfully convicted have no chance until the emphasis is taken off of the finality of verdicts and placed on getting it right, (in addition to a fair trial) even if they didn't get it right the first time.

 

[Charlot123]

You can only deal with the criminal Element for so long before becoming jaded. When you are hated, disrespected, threatened and targeted by the people you took an oath to protect, hope so you deal in a daily basis? I think MOST try to deal with it, then you have some that just get fed up... Today are the ones that turn rogue. Anger, disgust, failure are the motivators for the bad cops. We need a way to pull them before they get to that point.

I don't think Ag was one of those.

There probably is a high degree of professional burnout among cops. It might present even a bigger problem than we are aware of, and eventually, needs to be addressed.
As to AG, I don’t have enough data to label her “a good cop” or “a bad cop”. No one heard about her before that tragedy. I wonder, however, if she was fit to be a cop, emotionally. But we’ll probably never know.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

So, which is it, lawyer for Jean, Brown has "no known enemies" or "he was shot last year [outside a strip club after a verbal altercation and fist fight] and was afraid someone would come finish him off"?? These seem to be very contradictory statements.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

There probably is a high degree of professional burnout among cops. It might present even a bigger problem than we are aware of, and eventually, needs to be addressed.
As to AG, I don’t have enough data to label her “a good cop” or “a bad cop”. No one heard about her before that tragedy. I wonder, however, if she was fit to be a cop, emotionally. But we’ll probably never know.

Agreed, I don't think anyone was given enough evidence to accurately label her a good cop or a bad cop. But, she's in prison for 10, an "entrepreneur" is dead, 3 men are being charged with capital murder, and Dallas is on the verge of riots. I can't call them race riots. I don't know what they'd be, class injustice riots?

Any of our members in Dallas, can you give us a better sense of what's going on? The crowd at the committee meeting looked split about 50/50 to me on race.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I'm aware.
But everything requires methodology.. he didn't have one.
I'm only discussing that one aspect in my post.
Methodology is skyways here.

Research requires methodology. Science and math require methodology. Effective social change requires methodology. Selling drugs requires one to suspend rational, logical thought.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Research requires methodology. Science and math require methodology. Effective social change requires methodology. Selling drugs requires one to suspend rational, logical thought.

He's a man who got shot outside a strip club late last year. He watches his buddy die in the street beside him. If that wasn't enough of a wake-up call, I don't know what would be.

I'd like to know why he was crying on the stand. And how much reward money he collected. All he had to do was say he didn't see or hear anything. (If he was so afraid.) I think drug dealers coined the phrase snitches get stitches. What prompted him to come forward?

 

[Charlot123]

I know nothing about shortage of illegal drugs in any state, or prices of drugs varying from state to state, so can't really contribute to that discussion. Wee is now legal in some states, still illegal in others, but I don't think there is a difference between TX and Louisiana in that regard?

Not a marijuana enthusiast at all, but I educated myself on the history of Prohibition before that historic vote in WA. And here is how are we faring now:

“Washington state collected a total of $367.4 million in legal marijuana income and license fees in fiscal year 2018, all but $5.4 million of it from the state’s marijuana excise, or sales tax. The data are in the Liquor and Cannabis Control Board’s FY 2018 Annual Report.

The report also shows that the marijuana revenues were $157 million more than that of liquor”.


Here is Colorado, way ahead of us

“Marijuana sales in Colorado exceeded $1 billion as of August of this year, with tax revenue from those sales coming in at $200 million, according to a report from the Colorado Department of Revenue and its Marijuana Enforcement Division.”

Why TX and LA choose gangsters and shootings instead of collecting taxes is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Charlot123]

Agreed, I don't think anyone was given enough evidence to accurately label her a good cop or a bad cop. But, she's in prison for 10, an "entrepreneur" is dead, 3 men are being charged with capital murder, and Dallas is on the verge of riots. I can't call them race riots. I don't know what they'd be, class injustice riots?

Any of our members in Dallas, can you give us a better sense of what's going on? The crowd at the committee meeting looked split about 50/50 to me on race.

BBM. Class injustice, economy, or desperation riots. I remember West Baltimore riots and think that people must be pretty hopeless to burn own malls.

Joining in the request for more info from Sleuthers living in TX.

 

[Seattle1]

So Kendall Morris will be charged with another count of murder? Don't they use ankle monitors? How did he cross state lines. Holy Guacamole, Batman!

Poorly written CNN article copied by WTVA!

The article you're referencing for some reason interjected BR's Sept 2018 death by AG, and the Nov 2018 shooting at Dallas Club where Kendall Morris was indicted for murder of N Diggs (for allegedly handing gun to unnamed suspect shooter).

No, Kendall Morris was not charged for another murder, and did not cross state line to Louisiana. He's still only charged with N Diggs death outside the Dallas Club.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Not a marijuana enthusiast at all, but I educated myself on the history of Prohibition before that historic vote in WA. And here is how are we faring now:

“Washington state collected a total of $367.4 million in legal marijuana income and license fees in fiscal year 2018, all but $5.4 million of it from the state’s marijuana excise, or sales tax. The data are in the Liquor and Cannabis Control Board’s FY 2018 Annual Report.

The report also shows that the marijuana revenues were $157 million more than that of liquor”.


Here is Colorado, way ahead of us

“Marijuana sales in Colorado exceeded $1 billion as of August of this year, with tax revenue from those sales coming in at $200 million, according to a report from the Colorado Department of Revenue and its Marijuana Enforcement Division.”

Why TX and LA choose gangsters and shootings instead of collecting taxes is beyond my comprehension.

Do you have stats handy on the drug crime rate, by specific charge? Is it impacting that in either direction yet? TIA

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Poorly written CNN article copied by WTVA!

The article you're referencing for some reason interjected BR's Sept 2018 death by AG, and the Nov 2018 shooting at Dallas Club where Kendall Morris was indicted for murder of N Diggs (for allegedly handing gun to unnamed suspect shooter).

No, Kendall Morris was not charged for another murder, and did not cross state line to Louisiana. He's still only charged with N Diggs death outside the Dallas Club.

Thank you for clearing that up! It was a tad confusing. moo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

BBM. Class injustice, economy, or desperation riots. I remember West Baltimore riots and think that people must be pretty hopeless to burn own malls.

Joining in the request for more info from Sleuthers living in TX.

Thank you, @Charlot123

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Not a marijuana enthusiast at all, but I educated myself on the history of Prohibition before that historic vote in WA. And here is how are we faring now:

“Washington state collected a total of $367.4 million in legal marijuana income and license fees in fiscal year 2018, all but $5.4 million of it from the state’s marijuana excise, or sales tax. The data are in the Liquor and Cannabis Control Board’s FY 2018 Annual Report.

The report also shows that the marijuana revenues were $157 million more than that of liquor”.


Here is Colorado, way ahead of us

“Marijuana sales in Colorado exceeded $1 billion as of August of this year, with tax revenue from those sales coming in at $200 million, according to a report from the Colorado Department of Revenue and its Marijuana Enforcement Division.”

Why TX and LA choose gangsters and shootings instead of collecting taxes is beyond my comprehension.

I'd be very interested in seeing if legalization would make a dent in drug crime in border states.

Some dealers will undoubtedly follow the money and move on to harder drugs. But it might help. Idk.

 

[Seattle1]

From the warrant you posted, he's 5ft 11", I doubt he'll get far and by now he'll know the other two shopped him good.
I'm SMH at them using the same car which was logged on the security cameras at Brown's apartment to go to the hospital, info also from the scribd link you posted...
Did they not consider dumping the car and taking a cab?
Completely daft, isn't it?

Thanks for added DPD link to Jacquerious Mitchell's Arrest Warrant as it's the first time I've seen reference to surveillance video at the apartment parking lot.

The warrant cites that the surveillance video shows M Mitchell speaking to suspect occupant in a sliver sedan. This also matches the description of vehicle seen speeding away from the scene by witnesses.

I hope the video surveillance also captured the fatal shooting of JB.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Yeah. Just let everybody run amok. Sounds like a plan.
ETA: I realize that was a quote. Not your own thoughts.

Prison abolition? Who said that? I missed it.

 

[Momof4RN]

Thanks for added DPD link to Jacquerious Mitchell's Arrest Warrant as it's the first time I've seen reference to surveillance video at the apartment parking lot.

The warrant cites that the surveillance video shows M Mitchell speaking to suspect occupant in a sliver sedan. This also matches the description of vehicle seen speeding away from the scene by witnesses.

I hope the video surveillance also captured the fatal shooting of JB.

Me too! And that they show it to the people of Dallas so they can stop all this nonsense already. MOO

 

[BellaVita]

Prison abolition? Who said that? I missed it.

The illustrious AOC.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Judge Kemp was given an exceptionally difficult case to preside over. It had everything, gender issues, racial issues, a raucous political climate as a backdrop, and then throw in that it happened in Texas, in Dallas, and the situation involved a gun and an officer who fired it. Judge Kemp flawlessly manages all parties fairly. Everyone is happy, and then she hugs the sobbing defendant before she's carted off to prison and hands her a Bible. The media explodes.

Bella Vita hit the nail on the head...God forbid anyone mention their Christian faith or hand out a Bible and give a hug. Our money and most court houses still have imprinted on them "In God We Trust." If you're not a Christian, you might not like it. If you're not a person of faith, you might not like it. But collectively as a country, in times of strife and heartache, global depressions and recessions, through natural and man-made disasters, and throughout towns large and small every Sunday, you'll see the majority of us who profess faith turn to and worship the same God. Most of us you'll never see championing a cause or heading a rally. It's not because our faith is weak or our beliefs soft, it's because most of us prefer peace over arguments, private resolutions over lawsuits, and praying over worrying.

That doesn't mean if you're of another faith you can't come here. In fact, I'd welcome you as my neighbor. But, where your faith is concerned, you will be in the minority, and no amount of hollering about it is going to change that. That doesn't make me a bigot or a racist or judgmental or any number of other ugly terms because I refuse to embrace other religions. Proud Americans are tired of apologizing for being proud to be American, and Christians are equally tired of being called wrong for any display of what we hold right and dear. But make no mistake about how fervent are our beliefs. There's a reason that without hesitation Judge Kemp admits, foremost I'm a Christian.

It's a sad day in the U.S. when a black female Christian judge in Texas does an exceptional job presiding over a trial that will undoubtedly change (for the better) race relations and relations between communities and LE, and the social media PC mob is gunning for her within the hour. They'll take up for the murdered drug dealing "entrepreneur," but the black female Christian judge who has fought prejudice on all sides her whole life, well, she just keeps being faithful and fighting more prejudice, this time from another side.

Morning all!

I'm once again trying to catch up. Ha!

When I read your post, I couldn't pass it by.

It is one of the best I've seen on judge Kemp's grossly biased mistreatment she finds herself in now.

Imo, its because millions it seems have long put individuals all in the collective same boxes, stripping all of their own individuality away from them the way God intended us all to be.

Imo, judge Kemp is an individual who dared to step OUT OF LINE in the imaginary box she was always suppose to stay in no matter what.

Anytime anyone dares to speak out showing they are indeed individual critical thinkers, who does have a right to think for themselves... is when they face the rage, hate, and full on ATTACK by all of those who puts them all only in boxes as if they all are identically the same.

Never fear my friend.

Millions are realizing more than ever before..each, and every day their freedom of individual freedom to express them is as POWERFUL as the millions of those who try desperately ever second to suppress them all.

They are being exposed now, and it will continue.

It's like the impossible task of putting millions of anything back into boxes, and seal it up tight again. It's undoable.

As all things it will be very painful for no pain no gain.

Tragically, it takes way too long to correct all of the terrible wrongs to make them right, and just again.

Thank you so much for your heartfelt post.

Jmho

 

[nrdsb4]

The Asst Police Chief had every opportunity to comment on J Mitchell transfer because he was on the brink of death, and nothing. He only reported that they moved him to Parkland where he's under police custody.

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He said he was in CRITICAL CONDITION.
That’s not saying “nothing.” "Long term care facilities" are not the appropriate place for taking care of gun shot victims. He was moved because this hospital doesn't do emergency care of that nature. Promise hospital is where seriously ill people go after they have been stabilized to receive rehab or weaning from ventilators, etc.

As I said before, you can be in the trauma ICU and also be “in police custody.” That happens there often.


He may have been upgraded. I haven’t heard.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This.
He's doing a drug deal in the parking lot of his own apartment building with people that ere likely to kill him and he never even arranged back-up protection for himself.. he had friends, why not ask one of them to come over and stay outa sight in case the deal went bad?
Did he take any precautions at all to protect himself?
He was no big dealer...he was no gang member either..
But, how the hell did they know of him?
They went there with the intention of robbing weed from him, secure in the knowledge that they could easily do that.
I doubt they expected him to be armed, yet they came, fully armed in the hired car..
I wonder when he obtained a gun?
His facebook had a post about guns not being attractive assets to babes...

Hi Kitty!

I'm not sure at this point if we really know whether he's a drug dealer or even a gang member. I think we need further evidence from DPD.

FGS, these three came 300 miles to buy whatever drugs specifically FROM JB.

Isnt it easy to get it everywhere in most states? I admit I don't know anything about any illegal drugs though.

All of his electronic communication data history will be valuable evidence for the DPD, imo, since so many cases I've read about drug dealers or pushers use either their smart phones or the internet or both in someway.

Jmho