TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

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  • #1,001
That makes much more sense!
Uncle had a bit of time to 'brief' injured nephew whch makes me believe he was not too seriously injured.
I'm also wondering now if it's possible the 3 had a falling out after killing JB?
Is it a possibility? Is it likely?
I'm searching for a link to the third suspect having been apprehended? Was he?

Hi Kitty! Nice to see you today.

He was taken to a trauma center from what I understand after the uncle took him to one who was not.

Him being in police custody is common even when still in the hospital.

DPD has officers either inside his room or sitting right outside of his room standing guard.

Jmho
 
  • #1,002
I know nothing about drug deals. I am wondering about the person Joshua Brown got his 12 lbs. from. Did he-Joshua Brown-pay for his 12 lbs. or was he waiting to sell the 12lbs. before he paid the person he got the 12lbs. from. I hope this makes sense. Where did the 12lbs originally come from? Was Joshua Brown selling it for someone else?
 
  • #1,003
It's not 'I don't think', its 'i do not know for sure'
It was presented as testimony from one of the 3 killers, not as fact.
Forget that u-tube I linked, I got it from DPD Twitterbut the sound is awful.
Here's their Twitter handle
Dallas Police Dept (@DallasPD) | Twitter

Err no, actually, It is I who is replaying it from both links, it's probably fine.. (tech defeats me)
 
  • #1,004
I missed the part of the statement that said he rode down with them.
Parkland is where most all these cases are taken. And it's only a few streets over. As far as where the perp was taken, I've never heard of the group. I did read there's one in Shreveport, but not familiar at all with one here.
There is a strong tie between Dallas and Louisiana. And it's so close. I wonder how they returned the rental car. Was there no blood or evidence in the car?
And as far as getting in to the apts., seems to me they were expected, so all Joshua had to do was open the gate. This he could do from his apartment. I think they were definitely expected.

From the warrants, another individual in Louisiana rented the vehicle for the trio on 10/4/19 in Alexandria, LA, and it was returned on 10/6.

Also agree JB was expecting the buyers.

Also, I recall from AG trial that at least at her apartment complex, there was some delay with gate closure (explained how a witness entered the garage without detection). Not that this was the case with JB meeting the trio entering his apartment lot.
 
  • #1,005
Another question... although i think i know the answer. Immediately after the shooting of JB, A statement was put out by DPD that there were 2 other shooting victims at a different hospital that was NOT connected to the shooting of JB. HOWEVER, i'm wondering if it truly was the one now in custody and it just hadn't been put together yet as the story was different, and they were just trying to release anything they could to stop the rhetoric of the mouth shot and it being a hit by DPD. How long did it take them to figure out they had one of the perps... the other got to leave the hospital and was apprehended later, correct? Do we know how he was found and where he is now?
 
  • #1,006
Another question... although i think i know the answer. Immediately after the shooting of JB, A statement was put out by DPD that there were 2 other shooting victims at a different hospital that was NOT connected to the shooting of JB. HOWEVER, i'm wondering if it truly was the one now in custody and it just hadn't been put together yet as the story was different, and they were just trying to release anything they could to stop the rhetoric of the mouth shot and it being a hit by DPD. How long did it take them to figure out they had one of the perps... the other got to leave the hospital and was apprehended later, correct? Do we know how he was found and where he is now?
Very good point.
It was a couple of days from what I understand from the wording of the warrants.

Here is link to warrants from DPD
Homicide On Cedar Springs Road
 
  • #1,007
That makes much more sense!
Uncle had a bit of time to 'brief' injured nephew whch makes me believe he was not too seriously injured.
I'm also wondering now if it's possible the 3 had a falling out after killing JB?
Is it a possibility? Is it likely?
I'm searching for a link to the third suspect having been apprehended? Was he?

At this time -- only two arrests reported. ( M Mitchell and J Mitchell).

Also reported that T Green (#3) was dropped off at undisclosed location before MM took JM to hospital.

I don't believe there was a fall out. (T Green also reported to be a cousin of the suspects).
 
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I know nothing about drug deals. I am wondering about the person Joshua Brown got his 12 lbs. from. Did he-Joshua Brown-pay for his 12 lbs. or was he waiting to sell the 12lbs. before he paid the person he got the 12lbs. from. I hope this makes sense. Where did the 12lbs originally come from? Was Joshua Brown selling it for someone else?
I am wondering about that also. I don't think JB was a big king pin dealer. The main man would never give his address to anyone or set up a buy at his home. He certainly wouldn't do the sell himself. Not sure of the hierarchy, but I think maybe JB handled a certain amount of dope or a certain area for someone else. He had an amount of drugs at his home to probably fill orders.
 
  • #1,010
I know a lot of people on social media won’t listen to the facts but believe in conspiracy, I think Joshua Brown had contact with the 3 individuals, check the phone records and text messages some people on social media would say how can someone drive 4 hrs for weed, obliviously brown gave them directions to his place and a day to meet him.
 
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Another question... although i think i know the answer. Immediately after the shooting of JB, A statement was put out by DPD that there were 2 other shooting victims at a different hospital that was NOT connected to the shooting of JB. HOWEVER, i'm wondering if it truly was the one now in custody and it just hadn't been put together yet as the story was different, and they were just trying to release anything they could to stop the rhetoric of the mouth shot and it being a hit by DPD. How long did it take them to figure out they had one of the perps... the other got to leave the hospital and was apprehended later, correct? Do we know how he was found and where he is now?

I believe DPD was accurate about unrelated shootings reported Friday night. (This was a Friday night in Dallas - shootings no surprise).

According to the warrants -- detectives did not relate the trio to shooting of JB until 10/7/19.

Suspects M Mitchell and J Mitchell originally presented to police officers as victims -- they alleged they were robbed, and J Mitchell shot by unnamed suspect.

In fact, M Mitchell was questioned at hospital, and not arrested. As details came together - M Mitchell was named a fugitive on the loose.

Reportedly, suspect M Mitchell was located at a motel in Louisiana on Tuesday, where he was arrested. He's probably waiting an extradition hearing now.

MOO
 
  • #1,012
Can someone explain to me why JB's representing himself as managing 4 airbnbs in various locations sounds sketchy? I don't know anything about airbnbs and how they are managed.

I'm a few pages behind, so I don't know if other people replied. But I want to post my opinion, I also don't know much about how they are "managed". I started to watch the trial (it's on youtube) a couple of days ago before JB was killed. I still didn't finish it, but I watched his testimony also a few days before he was killed.

His entire testimony seemed really strange to me. It started with what he was wearing (and if you don't want to wear a suit, jeans and a black shirt or something would have been a lot less strange to me, something less "loud") and ended with how much he seemed like he didn't want to be there.

I didn't get the feeling though that he was scared that somebody could kill him, it seemed more like he had something to hide. The way he looked down a lot, didn't want to look people in the eye (I mean, with what we know now, he was a criminal himself, so it makes sense now why he didn't want to look the prosecutor in the eye and why being in a courtroom as such is something he really didn't like - but before I knew all that I still got the feeling he is hiding something). All in all I didn't think about what that could be or if he was just really nervous - just having to talk in front of people AND TV cameras would make me really nervous too. I was just paying attention to what he said like with all the other witnesses.

But something that was really strange to me also was the "managing 3 or 4 airbnbs to make a living". Claiming that's how you make money, that is your job. "Managing" them would mean something like looking after them, cleaning them or having them cleaned, managing the rent money, stuff like that, while somebody else owns them.

So if you actually work for a company that owns them, just managing 3 or 4, I doubt you'd make a lot of money with that. If you work for a company and they have several and maybe also own several other houses and apartment buildings and you basically do their book keeping, then yes, that would be a full-time job. But only 3 or 4 apartments? This sounded to me like he doesn't really have a job and there is something else going on but in court he had to find something that he could say to make it sound like he actually works.

The only thing that would make sense is if you own them (but you need a lot of money in the first place to buy 3 apartments) and rent them to people, then the rent money would probably be enough to make a living, maybe even a pretty good one depending on the apartments.

While I was confused in the beginning, I was pretty sure that him being killed had nothing to do with AG. I pretty much thought he was killed by other black men (and not white policemen), not only because black on black crime is a huge, huge problem and statistically it made sense, but also because I knew something was off with his testimony or with how he acted. And because he said on the stand that he had problems with drug possession before.

But I really wanted to think that maybe he wanted to buy drugs and got shot, I was quite shocked to hear that he was a drug dealer, and not even a small one. I didn't expect it to be that "bad".

MOO
 
  • #1,013
AS the owner of a property management company, i can't imagine doing it from even 2 hours away, ESPECIALLY airbnb since its turned over so often. Your have to have maid service every time, check for damage, theft, etc. The people i know who have Airbnb's are constantly there or have someone who is. I won't even take seasonal properties any longer as its so time consuming and NOT worth the money. The places he stated also are big 'traffic' areas. Could it have been legit, Yes. But you do NOT make the money he showed off by just 3 of those rentals. It was also stated he did roofing. The more i thought of it more i thought, PERFECT places to exchange 'luggage' and cash. Easy for deposits and 'cleaning' the money, and one person leaves something for the next. People coming and going would be normal. Thats how many drug houses get busted... too much traffic. Its actually a perfect scenario, quite frankly.
He was a former roofer. Certain elements liked to say "roofer". It contributed to the narrative that JB was a hard working guy and also was an "entrepreneur" on the side. The portrayal was JB was an ambitious guy working his way up in the world. I don't think he had done any roofing work in a long time. IMO.
 
  • #1,014
I'm a few pages behind, so I don't know if other people replied. But I want to post my opinion, I also don't know much about how they are "managed". I started to watch the trial (it's on youtube) a couple of days ago before JB was killed. I still didn't finish it, but I watched his testimony also a few days before he was killed.

His entire testimony seemed really strange to me. It started with what he was wearing (and if you don't want to wear a suit, jeans and a black shirt or something would have been a lot less strange to me, something less "loud") and ended with how much he seemed like he didn't want to be there.

I didn't get the feeling though that he was scared that somebody could kill him, it seemed more like he had something to hide. The way he looked down a lot, didn't want to look people in the eye (I mean, with what we know now, he was a criminal himself, so it makes sense now why he didn't want to look the prosecutor in the eye and why being in a courtroom as such is something he really didn't like - but before I knew all that I still got the feeling he is hiding something). All in all I didn't think about what that could be or if he was just really nervous - just having to talk in front of people AND TV cameras would make me really nervous too. I was just paying attention to what he said like with all the other witnesses.

But something that was really strange to me also was the "managing 3 or 4 airbnbs to make a living". Claiming that's how you make money, that is your job. "Managing" them would mean something like looking after them, cleaning them or having them cleaned, managing the rent money, stuff like that, while somebody else owns them.

So if you actually work for a company that owns them, just managing 3 or 4, I doubt you'd make a lot of money with that. If you work for a company and they have several and maybe also own several other houses and apartment buildings and you basically do their book keeping, then yes, that would be a full-time job. But only 3 or 4 apartments? This sounded to me like he doesn't really have a job and there is something else going on but in court he had to find something that he could say to make it sound like he actually works.

The only thing that would make sense is if you own them (but you need a lot of money in the first place to buy 3 apartments) and rent them to people, then the rent money would probably be enough to make a living, maybe even a pretty good one depending on the apartments.

While I was confused in the beginning, I was pretty sure that him being killed had nothing to do with AG. I pretty much thought he was killed by other black men (and not white policemen), not only because black on black crime is a huge, huge problem and statistically it made sense, but also because I knew something was off with his testimony or with how he acted. And because he said on the stand that he had problems with drug possession before.

But I really wanted to think that maybe he wanted to buy drugs and got shot, I was quite shocked to hear that he was a drug dealer, and not even a small one. I didn't expect it to be that "bad".

MOO
Good 'gut feelings' on your part. I didn't pick up on it because the apartment mgr here in my town travels around the state to different ones...
On the other hand, most people seemed to have liked JB's persona. I guess I did. And no one thinks he lied. Plus there.
But I didn't realize the big, illegal business there was with marijuana. It seems like we hear more about meth, etc, these days.
Yes, I'm flitting around here. I also saw in the news today that they're getting ready to bring out a marijuana breathalyzer. I wondered how they would catch stoned drivers if it gets illegal here.
All just my 1.5 cents.
 
  • #1,015
I know nothing about drug deals. I am wondering about the person Joshua Brown got his 12 lbs. from. Did he-Joshua Brown-pay for his 12 lbs. or was he waiting to sell the 12lbs. before he paid the person he got the 12lbs. from. I hope this makes sense. Where did the 12lbs originally come from? Was Joshua Brown selling it for someone else?
Sometimes sales are done on consignment. If something happens to the other dealer's product, you are in big trouble.
 
  • #1,016
Now I wonder if this guy actually told the truth at the trial or was he trying to get a law officer out of his area so he could have an easier time to make his drug deals. Just wondering.
 
  • #1,017
Another question... although i think i know the answer. Immediately after the shooting of JB, A statement was put out by DPD that there were 2 other shooting victims at a different hospital that was NOT connected to the shooting of JB. HOWEVER, i'm wondering if it truly was the one now in custody and it just hadn't been put together yet as the story was different, and they were just trying to release anything they could to stop the rhetoric of the mouth shot and it being a hit by DPD. How long did it take them to figure out they had one of the perps... the other got to leave the hospital and was apprehended later, correct? Do we know how he was found and where he is now?
If DPD had said it was related, all the crazy social media people would be saying it was connected to AG trial. Smart of DPD even if they pretty much knew. IMO.
 
  • #1,018
Now I wonder if this guy actually told the truth at the trial or was he trying to get a law officer out of his area so he could have an easier time to make his drug deals. Just wondering.


I'm wondering about this too. And I'm wondering if AG could use this issue for an appeal?
 
  • #1,019
Good 'gut feelings' on your part. I didn't pick up on it because the apartment mgr here in my town travels around the state to different ones...
On the other hand, most people seemed to have liked JB's persona. I guess I did. And no one thinks he lied. Plus there.
But I didn't realize the big, illegal business there was with marijuana. It seems like we hear more about meth, etc, these days.
Yes, I'm flitting around here. I also saw in the news today that they're getting ready to bring out a marijuana breathalyzer. I wondered how they would catch stoned drivers if it gets illegal here.
All just my 1.5 cents.

When they arrest drug dealers in my country they usually find tons (well, not really tons, but you know what I mean) of marijuana and sometimes no other drugs or other drugs but in relatively small amounts. So I guess there are a lot of people who smoke marijuana (I don't even really know what it looks like) and it's big business.
 
  • #1,020
Now I wonder if this guy actually told the truth at the trial or was he trying to get a law officer out of his area so he could have an easier time to make his drug deals. Just wondering.
I don't know about the truthfulness of his testimony, but I do question that the d a. knew he was a street 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and still used him. I feel his background/record should have been disclosed.
 
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