TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[kittythehare]

https://disa.com/map-of-marijuana-legality-by-state

You can move the mouse on the state and view the situation.

It seems that any state surrounding Louisiana is better than Louisiana itself, except for Georgia. In Texas, CBD oil at least is legal, so, first step. Texan laws seem to be better than those of LA so the "entrepreneurs" from LA might as well drive to TX. As to the source, maybe JB offered better product, or lower prices? I don't know if it the supplier mattered to them, but for a Texan, selling to Louisiana where MJ laws are more stringent, makes sense.

(This map is interesting in general as one can see how much money might be made on the difference in the state laws.

It is exactly the same as during the Prohibition. The mafia in Chicago grew upn explosively, partially, because Prohibition in Michigan stroke in 1918, three years before IL. So by the time it hit IL, the mafia structures in MI were ready and these were the first "providers" for Al Capone and other gangsters).

This is a great link.
It's so great medicinal cannabis is approved in so many states. You are the envy of the world with this. European laws are very mixed up still.. only certain conditions are permitted to be prescribed, in Ireland and UK.. And Irish people must travel to Holland to pick it up. Crazy because these people have seriously ill children and all the expenses that go with that.. But, children that never responded to allopathic meds are now seizure free.
Well done.

 

[kittythehare]

I don't know about the truthfulness of his testimony, but I do question that the d a. knew he was a street **** and still used him. I feel his background/record should have been disclosed.

His record was disclosed.
There is no evidence to suggest he had anything to gain by lying or that any of his testimony was untruthful.
Did the court and DA know he was an active dealer?
He did meet Judge Kemp in chambers prior to testifying.
It is possible they knew.
And obviously the defense were also informed.
They did not object to anything he said.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

who is dominique Alexander, please?

@Lillymac agreed! Not the least of whom is the lawyer who spoke on their behal after the Brown murder, mixing their quotes and his.

 

[Lillymac]

His record was disclosed.
There is no evidence to suggest he had anything to gain by lying or that any of his testimony was untruthful.
Did the court and DA know he was an active dealer?
He did meet Judge Kemp in chambers prior to testifying.
It is possible they knew.
And obviously the defense were also informed.
They did not object to anything he said.

Oh sorry. The fact that he was involved in a shooting, etc. I missed being disclosed at trial. As far as a known drug dealer, I'm sure they knew that. Just didn't mention. It kind of upsets me because this is the type AG risked her life daily to get off the streets. Plus she had fine upright citizens testifying in her behalf. It's okay, don't want to open up that discussion. It's done.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

His record was disclosed.
There is no evidence to suggest he had anything to gain by lying or that any of his testimony was untruthful.
Did the court and DA know he was an active dealer?
He did meet Judge Kemp in chambers prior to testifying.
It is possible they knew.
And obviously the defense were also informed.
They did not object to anything he said.

I don't think it's clear what the defense knew about the man. What is very clear is what Judge Kemp thought of him. If looks could kill...
After he asks to by excused. Wow!

He was in California until the day of his testimony, presumably busy with his AirBnB pursuits out there.

 

[Seattle1]

I'm a few pages behind, so I don't know if other people replied. But I want to post my opinion, I also don't know much about how they are "managed". I started to watch the trial (it's on youtube) a couple of days ago before JB was killed. I still didn't finish it, but I watched his testimony also a few days before he was killed.

His entire testimony seemed really strange to me. It started with what he was wearing (and if you don't want to wear a suit, jeans and a black shirt or something would have been a lot less strange to me, something less "loud") and ended with how much he seemed like he didn't want to be there.

I didn't get the feeling though that he was scared that somebody could kill him, it seemed more like he had something to hide. The way he looked down a lot, didn't want to look people in the eye (I mean, with what we know now, he was a criminal himself, so it makes sense now why he didn't want to look the prosecutor in the eye and why being in a courtroom as such is something he really didn't like - but before I knew all that I still got the feeling he is hiding something). All in all I didn't think about what that could be or if he was just really nervous - just having to talk in front of people AND TV cameras would make me really nervous too. I was just paying attention to what he said like with all the other witnesses.

But something that was really strange to me also was the "managing 3 or 4 airbnbs to make a living". Claiming that's how you make money, that is your job. "Managing" them would mean something like looking after them, cleaning them or having them cleaned, managing the rent money, stuff like that, while somebody else owns them.

So if you actually work for a company that owns them, just managing 3 or 4, I doubt you'd make a lot of money with that. If you work for a company and they have several and maybe also own several other houses and apartment buildings and you basically do their book keeping, then yes, that would be a full-time job. But only 3 or 4 apartments? This sounded to me like he doesn't really have a job and there is something else going on but in court he had to find something that he could say to make it sound like he actually works.

The only thing that would make sense is if you own them (but you need a lot of money in the first place to buy 3 apartments) and rent them to people, then the rent money would probably be enough to make a living, maybe even a pretty good one depending on the apartments.

While I was confused in the beginning, I was pretty sure that him being killed had nothing to do with AG. I pretty much thought he was killed by other black men (and not white policemen), not only because black on black crime is a huge, huge problem and statistically it made sense, but also because I knew something was off with his testimony or with how he acted. And because he said on the stand that he had problems with drug possession before.

But I really wanted to think that maybe he wanted to buy drugs and got shot, I was quite shocked to hear that he was a drug dealer, and not even a small one. I didn't expect it to be that "bad".

MOO

TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

I made a similar post on page 2 of this thread.

At the time, media was being stormed by Mr. Merritt's narrative that JB lived in fear for his life-- (i.e., being shot by wicked DPD). I openly asked what was JB really afraid of.

Also questioned, as did several others, how he could successfully act as Airbnb manger for a couple properties in CA, and one in Atlanta, while living in Dallas. Given the nature of Airbnb rentals, that didn't follow.

IMO, there just seemed a reflective, sadness about JB.

I also felt that some of those tears on the stand were for himself.

Still wonder if it was somewhat of a premonition for him: he was on the stand testifying for a guy that by all appearances took an upright path in life, and still met an early end, while sitting in his own apartment eating ice cream.

I admit, I'd be thinking --how can I expect to survive much longer given my lifestyle?

(I later learned he'd also been shot in November under questionable circumstances).

 

[Lillymac]

I don't think it's clear what the defense knew about the man. What is very clear is what Judge Kemp thought of him. If looks could kill...
After he asks to by excused. Wow!

He was in California until the day of his testimony, presumably busy with his AirBnB pursuits out there.

In his dreams!!

 

[tabitha111]

ugh...just had to unfollow a few of my facebook friends who are ramping up the theory that JB was set up by the cops. They just won't let it go...thinking the cops planted the pot, the cops hired these 3 guys as "actors" to shoot JB.

 

[Miya]

I don't know about the truthfulness of his testimony, but I do question that the d a. knew he was a street **** and still used him. I feel his background/record should have been disclosed.

I also think that it is quite likely that the DA knew and used him anyway. As far as his background goes, at the very beginning they did ask him about a theft or burglary and the drug possession thing. But of course this was in the past and now he is "managing 3 airbnbs". But I'm quite sure, MOO, that the DA knew what was going on in the present. And probably should not have used him, there were so many other witnesses.

 

[BellaVita]

ugh...just had to unfollow a few of my facebook friends who are ramping up the theory that JB was set up by the cops. They just won't let it go...thinking the cops planted the pot, the cops hired these 3 guys as "actors" to shoot JB.

I said more than once here: Many will be sorely disappointed when the truth comes out. I understand what drug dealing looks like because I lived around it. I understand that JB lived in nice areas, much nicer than where I was, but I understood clearly what was going on with him. I once posted: It's not what you think, MOO. Nobody was able to post any opinion contrary to the narrative that this was revenge for AG testimony without being lambasted. I posted several times that there was ZERO chance DPD was involved and I was asked for links. The tide sure has changed.

 

[TristanP]

One can go from Saint to Sinner pretty fast here on Websleuths. This whole Amber Guyger fiasco has been quite interesting in terms of human nature and how quickly people will change sides.

 

[Seattle1]

I don't know about the truthfulness of his testimony, but I do question that the d a. knew he was a street **** and still used him. I feel his background/record should have been disclosed.

While a witness in criminal court can be compelled to testify by subpoena -- a witness cannot be forced to incriminate themselves.

How could disclosing JB's current background not have incriminated him?

Important to note here that JB did in fact testify that he'd been convicted of misdemeanor theft, and also felony possession, so prosecutor did make jury aware of his background.

I do believe his testimony of what he saw and heard from his apartment was truthful. Some of his testimony was even favorable to AG:

1)JB testified that he'd also made the mistake of going to the wrong apartment floor before.

2)JB testified he heard AG and BR exchange words.

3) However, JB testified that he did NOT hear AG command in a loud voice for BR to show his hands.

Given JB's proximity of being across the hall, I think that was most important to the defense -- otherwise, I think his testimony was duplicative.

MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I'm a few pages behind, so I don't know if other people replied. But I want to post my opinion, I also don't know much about how they are "managed". I started to watch the trial (it's on youtube) a couple of days ago before JB was killed. I still didn't finish it, but I watched his testimony also a few days before he was killed.

His entire testimony seemed really strange to me. It started with what he was wearing (and if you don't want to wear a suit, jeans and a black shirt or something would have been a lot less strange to me, something less "loud") and ended with how much he seemed like he didn't want to be there.

I didn't get the feeling though that he was scared that somebody could kill him, it seemed more like he had something to hide. The way he looked down a lot, didn't want to look people in the eye (I mean, with what we know now, he was a criminal himself, so it makes sense now why he didn't want to look the prosecutor in the eye and why being in a courtroom as such is something he really didn't like - but before I knew all that I still got the feeling he is hiding something). All in all I didn't think about what that could be or if he was just really nervous - just having to talk in front of people AND TV cameras would make me really nervous too. I was just paying attention to what he said like with all the other witnesses.

But something that was really strange to me also was the "managing 3 or 4 airbnbs to make a living". Claiming that's how you make money, that is your job. "Managing" them would mean something like looking after them, cleaning them or having them cleaned, managing the rent money, stuff like that, while somebody else owns them.

So if you actually work for a company that owns them, just managing 3 or 4, I doubt you'd make a lot of money with that. If you work for a company and they have several and maybe also own several other houses and apartment buildings and you basically do their book keeping, then yes, that would be a full-time job. But only 3 or 4 apartments? This sounded to me like he doesn't really have a job and there is something else going on but in court he had to find something that he could say to make it sound like he actually works.

The only thing that would make sense is if you own them (but you need a lot of money in the first place to buy 3 apartments) and rent them to people, then the rent money would probably be enough to make a living, maybe even a pretty good one depending on the apartments.

While I was confused in the beginning, I was pretty sure that him being killed had nothing to do with AG. I pretty much thought he was killed by other black men (and not white policemen), not only because black on black crime is a huge, huge problem and statistically it made sense, but also because I knew something was off with his testimony or with how he acted. And because he said on the stand that he had problems with drug possession before.

But I really wanted to think that maybe he wanted to buy drugs and got shot, I was quite shocked to hear that he was a drug dealer, and not even a small one. I didn't expect it to be that "bad".

MOO

He didn't want to bother with testifying. I think either in his zeal to see AG convicted, or as a result of collecting reward money, (I don't know which, but something made this drug dealer come forward) he gave a statement. Then when it came time to testify, he didn't want to be there. He was in California prior to the day of his testimony. So, he didn't want to be there and couldn't be bothered with dressing appropriately for court. The judge glared at him when he asked to be excused or if he could leave, and she remarked, "Surprised he even bothered to show up." (Per YouTube video of trial.) He met in chambers with the Judge prior to giving his testimony. Whatever he said was not well received by the Judge.

And it's been alleged in articles that the prosecution had to threaten him with arrest and contempt if he didn't show up.

I don't think he was afraid. I think he just couldn't be bothered. moo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

His record was disclosed.
There is no evidence to suggest he had anything to gain by lying or that any of his testimony was untruthful.
Did the court and DA know he was an active dealer?
He did meet Judge Kemp in chambers prior to testifying.
It is possible they knew.
And obviously the defense were also informed.
They did not object to anything he said.

How is it obvious that the defense was informed?

 

[kittythehare]

I don't think it's clear what the defense knew about the man. What is very clear is what Judge Kemp thought of him. If looks could kill...
After he asks to by excused. Wow!

He was in California until the day of his testimony, presumably busy with his AirBnB pursuits out there.

That is not clear at all.
She treated him with compassion and was moved by his tears which I believe were genuine when he discussed BothamJean's morning singing.
She saw he was upset, anybody would have been and she granted a short recess. She also expressed sadness at news of his death. All links upthread.
The defense was grasping at straws, it's highly unlikely they would have missed it.

 

[jjenny]

While a witness in criminal court can be compelled to testify by subpoena -- a witness cannot be forced to incriminate themselves.

How could disclosing JB's current background not have incriminated him?

Important to note here that JB did in fact testify that he'd been convicted of misdemeanor theft, and also felony possession, so prosecutor did make jury aware of his background.

I do believe his testimony of what he saw and heard from his apartment was truthful. Some of his testimony was even favorable to AG:

1)JB testified that he'd also made the mistake of going to the wrong apartment floor before.

2)JB testified he heard AG and BR exchange words.

3) However, JB testified that he did NOT hear AG command in a loud voice for BR to show his hands.

Given JB's proximity of being across the hall, I think that was most important to the defense -- otherwise, I think his testimony was duplicative.

MOO

Was he asked on a stand on how he made his living?

 

[jjenny]

How is it obvious that the defense was informed?

Not obvious to me whatsoever. Did DA knew how he made his living? If so was it disclosed to the defense?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

How is it obvious that the defense was informed?

The judge can't object. The prosecutor wouldn't object.

 

[jjenny]

His record was disclosed.
There is no evidence to suggest he had anything to gain by lying or that any of his testimony was untruthful.
Did the court and DA know he was an active dealer?
He did meet Judge Kemp in chambers prior to testifying.
It is possible they knew.
And obviously the defense were also informed.
They did not object to anything he said.

And so you think defense just said, oh well, we don't care, if they knew how he made his living? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[jjenny]

The judge can't object. The prosecutor wouldn't object.

Can't object to what?