TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #5

[johnbelt]

Look how the story had changed in just five years.You have police admitting no one really seen them that they can confirm.

 

[johnbelt]

Another cold case in Fort Worth.Rachel's new stepfather found the victim.[News Clip: Murder (McGee girl)]

 

[glockstr]

The 6pm was from the wikipedia artile and credited to a FW Star Telegram article. Now the question I have is do you really have police reports from this incident? If so would a bribe of a Charlies Burger get one a peak at them?

 

[Ozoner]

The location of the car at the far end of the upper lot is exactly where someone might plant a vehicle, so I'm not convinced that the girls ever made it to the mall property. Even if they did, they might not have made it inside.

 

[johnbelt]

I can assure you no one was at the mall at 6 PM and that Mr.Arnold did not spend the night watching the car and that is straight from the man who watched the car that night.I can't find Julie's missing person's report right now but I have the other two handy.

 

[johnbelt]

This article is interesting because it showed what Rachel looked like at the time of her disappearance instead of the much younger picture that has been used through the years.

 

[glockstr]

Thank you johnbelt, I owe you brother. So according to the report, the family found the car by 8:30 PM for sure and the report was taken at 1:30 AM. Now it depends on where the report was taken. Did the family stay at the shopping center and have the officer make the scene for the report or did he go to the home? If it was at the scene then the security guard story doesn't match, because they would have been on the scene at the time. Or did the family return home to make the report and someone go back to sit on the vehicle.

 

[johnbelt]

Thank you johnbelt, I owe you brother. So according to the report, the family found the car by 8:30 PM for sure and the report was taken at 1:30 AM. Now it depends on where the report was taken. Did the family stay at the shopping center and have the officer make the scene for the report or did he go to the home? If it was at the scene then the security guard story doesn't match, because they would have been on the scene at the time. Or did the family return home to make the report and someone go back to sit on the vehicle.

Mr.Wilson and a neighbor stayed the whole night from 8:30 on with a watch on the car.It is said that Rachel's husband and sister showed up but I don't know if that is true.Police where called when the mall closed and one parent made a report in person that was there and the other two were phoned in.I will share what articles I have found here I kind of was hesitant to post here again because of strict rules but if I break them I'm sure they will let me know.After this thread shut down we had a great group with people from Arnold's and Trlica's very small and we made a lot of progress.Of course it all fell apart but afterwards I got a lot of mr.wilson's views and a phone call from Julie's aunt who didn't facebook but liked what I was doing but I've all but gave up because imo this case has been sabotaged since day one.

 

[NotSHolmes]

I can assure you no one was at the mall at 6 PM and that Mr.Arnold did not spend the night watching the car and that is straight from the man who watched the car that night.I can't find Julie's missing person's report right now but I have the other two handy.

May I ask how you got those? Would it have had to been originally sourced from a FOI request?

 

[Hap]

@johnbelt what do you think happened to the girls?

 

[johnbelt]

May I ask how you got those? Would it have had to been originally sourced from a FOI request?

No i didn't request them at all.I did some sleuthing like I said with others and started questioning all the inconsistencies in all the articles.I got enough info to make people think and joined that FB group for a few hours until I was booted out but I ended up with 33 new friends including family members I've talked to a lot of people about the case.I don't think FWPD is real cooperative with people asking for info on the case.

 

[johnbelt]

@johnbelt what do you think happened to the girls?

In my honest opinion and I'm not one to automatically consider trafficking even today.I think these girls were sold by members of one of the girls families or they seen something they shouldn't have seen that day.There is people who could answer this question today I feel.

 

[Ozoner]

In my honest opinion and I'm not one to automatically consider trafficking even today.I think these girls were sold by members of one of the girls families or they seen something they shouldn't have seen that day.There is people who could answer this question today I feel.

Are those people Fran and her sister-in-law? Cotton supposedly had a brother who was a very bad guy.

 

[NotSHolmes]

No i didn't request them at all.I did some sleuthing like I said with others and started questioning all the inconsistencies in all the articles.I got enough info to make people think and joined that FB group for a few hours until I was booted out but I ended up with 33 new friends including family members I've talked to a lot of people about the case.I don't think FWPD is real cooperative with people asking for info on the case.

I see, thank you very much for taking the time to explain! I have wondered for while how co-operative PDs generally should be with sleuthers on cold cases and I honestly think that it wouldn't hurt at all, but for whatever reason they all seem to have reservations on the idea. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the future, cold cases were "crowdsourced" in order to bring more awareness to them and increase the chances of them getting solved.

 

[Ozoner]

I see, thank you very much for taking the time to explain! I have wondered for while how co-operative PDs generally should be with sleuthers on cold cases and I honestly think that it wouldn't hurt at all, but for whatever reason they all seem to have reservations on the idea. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the future, cold cases were "crowdsourced" in order to bring more awareness to them and increase the chances of them getting solved.

Crowdsourcing criminal cases would lead to vigilantism, so LE won't go for it.
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A while back, someone was spreading a rumor that TT had a car that vanished at the same time that the girls disappeared. There were people willing to lynch TT⁠ based on that rumor—I'm not exaggerating; I believe his life was in jeopardy⁠—yet it turned out to be an unfounded rumor.

 

[johnbelt]

Are those people Fran and her sister-in-law? Cotton supposedly had a brother who was a very bad guy.

I will say one thing and I have many newspaper articles to back it up that Fran has told so many versions of the day in question that you have to suspect something.Famous sightings the man who seen them pushed into the van who came to their house a few days latter never went to police.The flyer thrown by three girls out of a car at a gas station that flyer was never seen by police gas station attendant called Fran who got the flyer and read the address to police and when FWPD interviewed the attendant Fran had given them more details than him.

 

[johnbelt]

I see, thank you very much for taking the time to explain! I have wondered for while how co-operative PDs generally should be with sleuthers on cold cases and I honestly think that it wouldn't hurt at all, but for whatever reason they all seem to have reservations on the idea. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the future, cold cases were "crowdsourced" in order to bring more awareness to them and increase the chances of them getting solved.

I was given the detective's name and phone number by a member of Julie's family who wanted me to share some info with her and it was like jumping through hoops to get a call back.For one thing they had given a family member a number that essentially they give to people who they want to have to leave messages and not have direct line to them.

 

[NotSHolmes]

Crowdsourcing criminal cases would lead to vigilantism, so LE won't go for it.
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A while back, someone was spreading a rumor that TT had a car that vanished at the same time that the girls disappeared. There were people willing to lynch TT⁠ based on that rumor—I'm not exaggerating; I believe his life was in jeopardy⁠—yet it turned out to be an unfounded rumor.

No, no, I didn't mean give the whole case to the public (especially not POIs information). What I meant is that there are certain parts of the case which might be beneficial to release (more details on circumstances, documents, ect.). Of course there'd have to be a system of vetting as well. The example we were discussing above were the submitted Missing Persons forms

Besides, whilst I fully sympathise with the falsely accused victim and don't support vigilantism I feel you are exaggerating slightly - as far as I'm aware public justice and fulfilling death threats (which have become very cheap to make nowadays) rarely ever happens (please do disprove that statement if it is false). Take the case of Sylvia Likens where one of the convicted torturers became a teacher's aide under her new identity. When she was found out the only punishment she received was getting fired - no lynch mob or anything of the sort.

 

[NotSHolmes]

I was given the detective's name and phone number by a member of Julie's family who wanted me to share some info with her and it was like jumping through hoops to get a call back.For one thing they had given a family member a number that essentially they give to people who they want to have to leave messages and not have direct line to them.

To get support once a case goes cold is a very long-winded process, unfortunately. On a side note, I contacted NamUs around 5 months ago about a potential lead and am still waiting for a reply. Even a negative result would be welcome just to allow me to complete that interaction and move on with the case. And this is a case I have no personal connection to - I cannot imagine what it would be like for the family of a missing person.

 

[NotSHolmes]

Crowdsourcing criminal cases would lead to vigilantism, so LE won't go for it.
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A while back, someone was spreading a rumor that TT had a car that vanished at the same time that the girls disappeared. There were people willing to lynch TT⁠ based on that rumor—I'm not exaggerating; I believe his life was in jeopardy⁠—yet it turned out to be an unfounded rumor.

To add to my previous comment, though I don't support vigilantism, I would be careful about saying it doesn't have a case in society. Don't With Cats (Don't With Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer - Wikipedia) is a well-known case in point, and many other similar situations where the police are not willing (or do not have the resources) to investigate everything that happens
And despite there being many people involved in the FB group that eventually solved the mystery, Magnotta wasn't lynched or even harmed at all.