TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #6

[Sneaker33]

Did Rachel's father state any theories regarding the disappearance of his daughter before he passed? I understand he passed within 6 mos or shorter after the trio disappeared.

 

[Wishyouknew]

Has anyone tried to get LE documents via FOIA requests for this case? I guess the chances are slim since this is technically an open case, but maybe worth a try?!

You will not get anything from any form of law enforcement I assure you. Absolutely nothing. And IMO for a case to be dang near 50 years old it’s far past time to get some outside eyes on it. Jmo

 

[Wishyouknew]

Only a couple of months. I’ve read every post on these girls’ threads though.

I know you are beyond exhausted after that. Thank you for your work moderating this.

 

[Wishyouknew]

I can’t recall if I posted the new progressions here or not so I am now. Please share wherever you can. Thank you and y’all have a very happy new year!!! Thank each and every person that helps advance this case in any way.
Have you seen this child? Lisa Wilson

 

[MadMcGoo]

I can’t recall if I posted the new progressions here or not so I am now. Please share wherever you can. Thank you and y’all have a very happy new year!!! Thank each and every person that helps advance this case in any way.
Have you seen this child? Lisa Wilson

Thanks and Happy New Year!

May 2022 be the year for answers.

 

[FrankieB]

Can someone fill me in on "California Jacket Guy" please? I understand he was seen following the girls at the mall that day. I've combed the previous threads and he gets mentioned sporadically but there's no comprehensive insight.
Who was he? Was he cleared as a suspect? Did he know them?

 

[Ozoner]

Can someone fill me in on "California Jacket Guy" please? I understand he was seen following the girls at the mall that day. I've combed the previous threads and he gets mentioned sporadically but there's no comprehensive insight.
Who was he? Was he cleared as a suspect? Did he know them?

He was friends with the girls and is not a suspect. Renee's brother Terry was friends with him as well. (CFJ is now deceased.)

The thinking is that he was with the girls because he liked Renee but that TT was extremely jealous over the possibility of Rachel spending time with him.

The word on the street is that CFJ was so terrified of TT after the girls disappeared that he left the state.

 

[Wishyouknew]

He was friends with the girls and is not a suspect. Renee's brother Terry was friends with him as well. (CFJ is now deceased.)

The thinking is that he was with the girls because he liked Renee but that TT was extremely jealous over the possibility of Rachel spending time with him.

The word on the street is that CFJ was so terrified of TT after the girls disappeared that he left the state.

I definitely have a lot of questions around California jacket guy myself. I don’t see how anyone that has seen what I’ve seen would not. Tommy had absolutely nothing to do with his leaving town as far as I’m aware. I’m not even sure if he knew who he was. That’s a very tangled web right there.

 

[Sneaker33]

It is unclear to me if "California Jacket" man was the same individual who was knew both Rachel and Renee and was Terry's friend. There was discussion of an "inappropriate" incident Mr. Wilson witnessed between Rachel and Terry's male friend. Mr. Wilson allegedly told Rachel's father her behavior was inappropriate for a married woman. This man left to visit a brother in California after the girls disappeared but then was said to return to Texas. The character and memories of Mr. Arnold, Rachel's sister DA, Rachel's husband T, along with Ts first wife timeline, FA's memories, FA's second husband finding murdered body of friend of Renee and Rachel, reliability of two private investigators give way to numerous motives.

 

[tilomagnet]

California Jacket guy is the same person as "Virgil" on the Gone cold podcast, right?! Im very curious about him as well.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

California Jacket guy is the same person as "Virgil" on the Gone cold podcast, right?! Im very curious about him as well.

That was my understanding from listening to thar podcast, also.

If I have it correct, according to the podcast he was at the Moseley house that morning of the 23rd and also with the girls at the Mall a bit later, as the podcast seemed to think that the Record Store sighting was legit.

It did not explain how he got to the Mall or back home from the Mall.

If he was at the Moseley house at the time, would it not make sense that he went to the Mall in the Oldsmobile with the girls ? It would explain why Julie was not seen in the Army/Navy store. Perhaps, she was waiting in the car with him, while the other two girls collected their jeans ?

If they gave him a lift back home, it rules an abduction or any other incident at the Mall, only unless he was responsible for their disappearance. However, I think this is unlikely.

I would like to know more about his movements that day, though !!

 

[snakefinger]

Regarding "California Jacket Guy", I suggest reviewing the Gone Cold Podcast #6.
The Fort Worth Missing Trio Part 6: The Other Private Investigator

The following thread enhances the Alcala reference in the podcast.
Rachel Trlica

Pretty convoluted and unlikely path, but so are quite a few others I've seen on these threads.

 

[FrankieB]

Thanks for all the input guys, I just discovered this case last week. Your knowledge is much appreciated.

 

[snakefinger]

Thanks for all the input guys, I just discovered this case last week. Your knowledge is much appreciated.

Welcome aboard. In case you haven't run across the following podcast series, I want to mention it.
The Fort Worth Missing Trio Part 1: Julie Moseley, Renee Wilson, & Rachel Trlica

It's a seven-part series and contains a wealth of detail. It gets referenced quite a bit here.

 

[snakefinger]

Looking through these last few threads I would agree with "very tangled web" regarding "California Jacket Guy/Virgil". Just reviewing the supposed interactions between him and several others in this case raises numerous questions in my mind. Don't really want to speculate further.

 

[tilomagnet]

That was my understanding from listening to thar podcast, also.

If I have it correct, according to the podcast he was at the Moseley house that morning of the 23rd and also with the girls at the Mall a bit later, as the podcast seemed to think that the Record Store sighting was legit.

It did not explain how he got to the Mall or back home from the Mall.

If he was at the Moseley house at the time, would it not make sense that he went to the Mall in the Oldsmobile with the girls ? It would explain why Julie was not seen in the Army/Navy store. Perhaps, she was waiting in the car with him, while the other two girls collected their jeans ?

If they gave him a lift back home, it rules an abduction or any other incident at the Mall, only unless he was responsible for their disappearance. However, I think this is unlikely.

I would like to know more about his movements that day, though !!

I totally agree. This is where the GC podcast leaves a lot to be desired IMO as it only deals with CJG in passing in favor of way more unlikely angles. After all the question if the girls made it to the mall at all is one if the crucial issues in this case and CJG is right in the middle of this with the supposed Record store sighting. Plus the alledged fling he had with Rachel.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

I totally agree. This is where the GC podcast leaves a lot to be desired IMO as it only deals with CJG in passing in favor of way more unlikely angles. After all the question if the girls made it to the mall at all is one if the crucial issues in this case and CJG is right in the middle of this with the supposed Record store sighting. Plus the alledged fling he had with Rachel.

I suppose with the GC podcast they did not want to leave any stone unturned, so that had to look at every lead, however vague some may have seen. It could be the lead that jogs someone's memory, years later.

IIRC, I think I read somewhere that CJG did not drive or own a car. If that is the case, that would make him less likely as a suspect, IMO, but it does appear that he was with the girls at some stage that fateful day.

The problem with this case is that we have no bodies, no evidence that a crime even took place.

Whenever, I look at potential suspects I keep going back to the Runaway Letter and and an envelope with different hand writing that the letter did not fit into. An envelope that from what I have read, was not handed into the Police until some time after the letter was.

To my mind, it makes the suspect list small.

 

[snakefinger]

One question I have concerns the reason for the RW statement "I drove down to the friend of theirs' house to see, because he had asked to go with Renee and I told him not just no, but hell no!". RW's negative reaction to the request would make some sense, given the prior incident he apparently observed involving Rachel (and the age disparity between CJG and Renee). I may be totally off on this but there would seem to be something very evident that caused RW to make this immediate connection in his mind to this particular person on the day of the disappearance. Some detail that may not be known to us, or else is unclear. There also seems to be some confusion as to which house CJG was at that morning (Moseley or the grandmother), in addition to the alleged phone call invitation from Rachel.

And as RW also stated, "I drove down to his house and he wasn't home". So there's that. He also refers to him as a friend of theirs. Pretty interesting circle of friends.

 

[FrankieB]

The letter is extremely intriguing.
As I understand results have been inconclusive regarding the author...I find this very strange. Don't they have samples of writing to definitely rule out authors? I'm also confused about the "cancelled stamp". Did the letter travel through the postal system or not? Because if someone just went and left it inside the mail box, it's a bit less baffling.

Apparently Rachel was misspelled at first...this is why I find it hard to believe Rachel wrote the letter, even under stress, who would write their own name wrong?

I also read that in 2001 police had "narrowed down the list of suspects to only 5"
Wonder who those 5 might be...

 

[Ozoner]

The letter is extremely intriguing.
As I understand results have been inconclusive regarding the author...I find this very strange. Don't they have samples of writing to definitely rule out authors? I'm also confused about the "cancelled stamp". Did the letter travel through the postal system or not? Because if someone just went and left it inside the mail box, it's a bit less baffling.

Apparently Rachel was misspelled at first...this is why I find it hard to believe Rachel wrote the letter, even under stress, who would write their own name wrong?

I also read that in 2001 police had "narrowed down the list of suspects to only 5"
Wonder who those 5 might be...

I thought that they had narrowed it fewer than five—which could mean five or fewer if they weren't careful about their wording. It could also mean that there was actually only one suspect.