TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #7

[Pricklykitty]

I wish I knew how to do that stuff I would love for you guys to see three pages of DA's handwriting.

Do you have a copy of them saved? If so I can try and help you share them in private messages

 

[FW_Froggy]

Do you have a copy of them saved? If so I can try and help you share them in private messages

No I don't I go to Trio-Never Forgotten to look up all DJ's notes.

 

[loveplace]

No I don't I go to Trio-Never Forgotten to look up all DJ's notes.

How do you get to such a place? It brings up nothing like that when I google it.

 

[FW_Froggy]

How do you get to such a place? It brings up nothing like that when I google it.

Try You Tube

 

[beubeubeu]

So now I saw DA's handwriting, and 40 questions and I have no idea how to discuss it it's not allowed or posted here as a source and the place I saw it doesn't allow sharing anything.

But anyways. Well...
Now I wonder - was DJ ever considered as a suspect in this case?
Cause he seems to be the source of BIG majority of contradictions in this case.
Is there something that I'm unaware of that offers some sort of explanation as to why he keeps calling Rachel "Rachael" in his print-screens?

I'm shocked to learn that... at least it seems like I got pretty close with Melvin's story integrity. The lack of it.
So my questions remain.
How in actual HELL anyone was able to conclude that it was same person?

Creepy guy hit on DA while DA was alone. So only DA saw him then.
Someone was calling A's and talking to Rachel but either never spoke with DA or DA haven't recognised the voice as a creep from before.
DA doesn't say that she was home when Melvin showed up.
DA said that she learned about Melvin from their parents and there is another person mentioned as alleged source of info about Melvin learned directly from Rachel.
So there was NO confirmation between them as it was happening, then how could it be done much later?
Come on, if DA wasn't the one who made that connection... neither FA or CA confirmed anything with her, so whatever they learned from whoever (apart from having that creepy visit) couldn't possibly cause them to conclude that oh, must be same guy who creeped D... and Rachel wasn't talking about this Melvin with DA, just possibly with someone who wasn't with DA when she met Melvin, nor at their house when the visit occured - then how, how, how it ended up connected and sprinkled with him having access to licence plates database.
Was DJ same person as Melvin? Or was him his great buddy?
Cause my mind fails me to create any possible scenario in which Melvin remains mysterious and unidentified and whole story gets put together with some reason to end up as such.

I know that there are more interesting details about it all than Melvin, but all his stories seem to be like that.

 

[dotr]

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April 29 2023 rbbm
''Several people gathered in front of the Tarrant County Courthouse on Saturday, raising awareness for the 1,000 unsolved cold cases at the Fort Worth Police Department. “Solve the cold cases,” the crowd chanted as they walked from the courthouse to the Cold Case Unit in Fort Worth. According to the event organizers Kelli Arnold and DiAnne Kuykendall, there are over 1,000 unsolved cold cases in Fort Worth alone.''


“There’s so many that are just unsolved and sitting on the shelf. They need to be able to reopen these cases, but they don’t have enough people to investigate these cases and not enough funding,” said Highsmith. Rusty Arnold, the brother of Rachel Trlica — who disappeared when she was 17 — said the unsolved cases are not fair to the police or the family members of the missing victims. “You got one cop trying to deal with a thousand cases. That’s just not right,” said Arnold. Trlica went missing with two other girls, Julie Moseley, 9, and Renee Wilson, 14, on Dec. 23, 1974, after shopping at what was then Seminary South Shopping Center, at 4200 South Freeway. Their case has been dubbed the “Missing Fort Worth Trio”. “I was 11 years old,” said Arnold about when Trlica went missing. “She was my best friend.” James Smith, an attendee of the event, began the walk and prayed for the families.''

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article274839501.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Bagpus]

What if...

The older girls accidentally killed JM and ran away out of fear of consequences.

Perhaps she misbehaved and the teenagers didn't know how to handle it.

Rachel really did write the letter.

 

[Brightchaser47]

But anyways. Well...
Now I wonder - was DJ ever considered as a suspect in this case?
Cause he seems to be the source of BIG majority of contradictions in this case.

I agree he's a controversial figure in this case and I, too, have questioned his motive and tactics. I've wondered why he would perpetuate (without evidence) the idea that Rachel is still alive. If his strategy was to provoke action or confession on someone's part, it didn't work. If it was to "keep hope alive", it was actually cruel.

 

[Brightchaser47]

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April 29 2023 rbbm
''Several people gathered in front of the Tarrant County Courthouse on Saturday, raising awareness for the 1,000 unsolved cold cases at the Fort Worth Police Department. “Solve the cold cases,” the crowd chanted as they walked from the courthouse to the Cold Case Unit in Fort Worth. According to the event organizers Kelli Arnold and DiAnne Kuykendall, there are over 1,000 unsolved cold cases in Fort Worth alone.''


“There’s so many that are just unsolved and sitting on the shelf. They need to be able to reopen these cases, but they don’t have enough people to investigate these cases and not enough funding,” said Highsmith. Rusty Arnold, the brother of Rachel Trlica — who disappeared when she was 17 — said the unsolved cases are not fair to the police or the family members of the missing victims. “You got one cop trying to deal with a thousand cases. That’s just not right,” said Arnold. Trlica went missing with two other girls, Julie Moseley, 9, and Renee Wilson, 14, on Dec. 23, 1974, after shopping at what was then Seminary South Shopping Center, at 4200 South Freeway. Their case has been dubbed the “Missing Fort Worth Trio”. “I was 11 years old,” said Arnold about when Trlica went missing. “She was my best friend.” James Smith, an attendee of the event, began the walk and prayed for the families.''

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article274839501.html#storylink=cpy

Thanks for sharing this! I sincerely hope this event makes a difference (both for LE  and the families). I've wanted to see this case solved so badly, so that the families have answers (if justice isn't possible) and LE can close the book on it and move on to help other families.

 

[beubeubeu]

I agree he's a controversial figure in this case and I, too, have questioned his motive and tactics. I've wondered why he would perpetuate (without evidence) the idea that Rachel is still alive. If his strategy was to provoke action or confession on someone's part, it didn't work. If it was to "keep hope alive", it was actually cruel.

Swaim was controversial.
JS was outright suspicious.
So many things wrong and odd with what he was doing, saying and how he was doing it that it outshines everyone else - while they're not even close to being easy to outshine.

Was he ever, once in his life hired by - for lack of a better word - a civilian to do some PI job? If he did, I never seen anyone mentioning it ever.

Did anyone ever saw this supposed ad that RA saw in the newspaper and called him?

How are you even investigating a case in such unofficial way that family members, locals, whitnesses, potential suspects stay unaware for over 20 years?

If he was so eager to help without any financial gain and even had some ties (at least through growing up in same city as one of the missing's father) with the families, why he never contacted them, never offered any help? - cause according to their story he didn't, he just accidentally was so well prepared when RA randomly called him.

Why he never made that reward he offered official?
He talked a lot about it, but it was never officialy set, so in case that someone had some valuable info, wasn't giving a damn about families (or didn't want to risk their safety for free) and was ready to came forward just/mostly for the sake of the reward... such person would have only DJ's vague promise that he totally will pay. He could as well not do that or change his mind last moment.

Is he responsible for any actual progress in the case? He praised himself a lot, kept pointing out so many things he allegedly did, while cops didn't but what came of it apart from biggest mess in the history of messes?

I have no freaking clue what this guy deal was. One, maybe two weird actions could go as an attempt to get some reactions from people, possibly spiking somebodys memory or intimidating a suspect/s, but as many as he did? With no results but even more cryptic hints that everyone should be able to figure it out by themselves.
Sherlock Holmes would fail miserably cause it's just too much unknown, uncertain or possibly false.

He acted like poster boy fot this sick fortune tellers that are making a bunch of vague predictions every week and then play with full confidence that oh yeah, they totally predicted that flood in Venesuela as well as Kim Kardashian's last wardrobe malfunction. More fortune teller than PI.
All just my opinions.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Back on thread 2, there was discussion about the three cars in Benbrook Lake being brought up. It was stated that LE was not involved in the project because they don't have jurisdiction over the lake. Why wouldn't LE have the ability to search  wherever they want to? Is there a nuance in Texas law I'm missing?

 

[Brightchaser47]

Swaim was controversial.
JS was outright suspicious.
So many things wrong and odd with what he was doing, saying and how he was doing it that it outshines everyone else - while they're not even close to being easy to outshine.

Was he ever, once in his life hired by - for lack of a better word - a civilian to do some PI job? If he did, I never seen anyone mentioning it ever.

Did anyone ever saw this supposed ad that RA saw in the newspaper and called him?

How are you even investigating a case in such unofficial way that family members, locals, whitnesses, potential suspects stay unaware for over 20 years?

If he was so eager to help without any financial gain and even had some ties (at least through growing up in same city as one of the missing's father) with the families, why he never contacted them, never offered any help? - cause according to their story he didn't, he just accidentally was so well prepared when RA randomly called him.

Why he never made that reward he offered official?
He talked a lot about it, but it was never officialy set, so in case that someone had some valuable info, wasn't giving a damn about families (or didn't want to risk their safety for free) and was ready to came forward just/mostly for the sake of the reward... such person would have only DJ's vague promise that he totally will pay. He could as well not do that or change his mind last moment.

Is he responsible for any actual progress in the case? He praised himself a lot, kept pointing out so many things he allegedly did, while cops didn't but what came of it apart from biggest mess in the history of messes?

I have no freaking clue what this guy deal was. One, maybe two weird actions could go as an attempt to get some reactions from people, possibly spiking somebodys memory or intimidating a suspect/s, but as many as he did? With no results but even more cryptic hints that everyone should be able to figure it out by themselves.
Sherlock Holmes would fail miserably cause it's just too much unknown, uncertain or possibly false.

He acted like poster boy fot this sick fortune tellers that are making a bunch of vague predictions every week and then play with full confidence that oh yeah, they totally predicted that flood in Venesuela as well as Kim Kardashian's last wardrobe malfunction. More fortune teller than PI.
All just my opinions.

Frankly (at this point), I'm willing to put Swaim, James, polygraphs, and the letter on a list of "unhelpful diversions" in this case. If we disregard all these, what's left?

 

[Pricklykitty]

Frankly (at this point), I'm willing to put Swaim, James, polygraphs, and the letter on a list of "unhelpful diversions" in this case. If we disregard all these, what's left?

Whats left is a lot of changing stories, temperamental memories and too many "he said, she said " games.

But really without taking any of the unreliable info from anyone into account, we have 3 girls that left home on the same day never to be seen again, a car on a parking lot and not a lot else. To add anything else you have to use a source, and pretty much all sources have some degree of unreliability about them. Ive come across plenty of cases where it seems the person has just gone into thin air, but I've never come across another case where there is just so much that can never be understood because of the behaviour of those closest to the missing.

 

[beubeubeu]

Frankly (at this point), I'm willing to put Swaim, James, polygraphs, and the letter on a list of "unhelpful diversions" in this case. If we disregard all these, what's left?

Next to nothing. Literally next to nothing.
DJ had full, unsupervised access to the case files. For decades. Not causing any suspicions cause he had no known ties to the case. He could mess it left and right.
And all the people's changing stories - it seems like main source of info on one's inconsistency comes directly from DJ, and relies only on his say so.
Surely some stories changed, but how to tell how much of that is just him making things up?
And his whole career was messing things up proffessionally, finding just the exact info to set defendants free.

Best case scenario he was terrible and unproffesional at his job. Worst - his actions were meant as distraction and diversion to make sure that the ones responsible wont face consequences

 

[Brightchaser47]

DJ had full, unsupervised access to the case files. For decades.

This is debatable. Although DJ claimed to supposedly have full access to the case files, someone on an earlier thread claimed DJ only had access to a few records (not sure how they knew that, since LE is supposedly so tightlipped). So, maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

Not causing any suspicions cause he had no known ties to the case.

I'm beginning to wonder about that...

And all the people's changing stories - it seems like main source of info on one's inconsistency comes directly from DJ, and relies only on his say so.
Surely some stories changed, but how to tell how much of that is just him making things up?

That's what  really disturbs me about this case.  Nothing about it is workable. There's very little consistency. Virtually no one's statements agree. Did everybody have something to hide?

And his whole career was messing things up proffessionally, finding just the exact info to set defendants free.

Best case scenario he was terrible and unproffesional at his job. Worst - his actions were meant as distraction and diversion to make sure that the ones responsible wont face consequences

Well, since there have been   zero arrests made in 48 years, and no one outside LE knows exactly who or how many the suspects are-- mission accomplished!

 

[jetsfanjohn]

Frankly (at this point), I'm willing to put Swaim, James, polygraphs, and the letter on a list of "unhelpful diversions" in this case. If we disregard all these, what's left?

What's left is :

Rachel caught smooching CJG at the Wilson's place in Nov. 1974
CJG Still being on the scene in Dec 23rd 1974
Rachel arranging to meet with him at the Mall on Dec 23rd 1974

I am convinced the the girls disappearance occurred because of these three 'facts'. Everything else is for the most part rabbit holes and red herrings, IMO.

I think the girls were more than likely murdered on Minot Ave., but have some nagging doubts about that venue, the main two being :

- How did one of them not make it as far as the front door in an attempt to escape?

- How did a neighbour not see/hear anything ? Those houses are all fairly close together.

 

[Brightchaser47]

What's left is :

Rachel caught smooching CJG at the Wilson's place in Nov. 1974
CJG Still being on the scene in Dec 23rd 1974
Rachel arranging to meet with him at the Mall on Dec 23rd 1974

I am convinced the the girls disappearance occurred because of these three 'facts'. Everything else is for the most part rabbit holes and red herrings, IMO.

I think the girls were more than likely murdered on Minot Ave., but have some nagging doubts about that venue, the main two being :

- How did one of them not make it as far as the front door in an attempt to escape?

- How did a neighbour not see/hear anything ? Those houses are all fairly close together.

It's fact Rachel arranged to meet CJG at the mall? I had thought he was present at Gordon, when Rachel picked up Renee and Julie, but wasn't sure it was confirmed.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Was the Arlington shop in a building it shared with other businesses? If so, what were those businesses?

 

[Pricklykitty]

What's left is :

Rachel caught smooching CJG at the Wilson's place in Nov. 1974
CJG Still being on the scene in Dec 23rd 1974
Rachel arranging to meet with him at the Mall on Dec 23rd 1974

I am convinced the the girls disappearance occurred because of these three 'facts'. Everything else is for the most part rabbit holes and red herrings, IMO.

I think the girls were more than likely murdered on Minot Ave., but have some nagging doubts about that venue, the main two being :

- How did one of them not make it as far as the front door in an attempt to escape?

- How did a neighbour not see/hear anything ? Those houses are all fairly close together.

Its funny but something I read on TM's fb post stuck with me ( its still there on a public post). Someone asked him if he knew RW had gone inside to make a phonecall after JM was allowed to go shopping with them, and his answer ( to paraphrase) was that 'he didn't know what happened after he thought the girls left'

It could have just been odd wording but it made me wonder if the timeline was slightly different than we have always been told in regards to how long they were at Gordon and how quickly they left after JM called her mum for permission. It also made me wonder if the girls originally pulled away but stopped further down the block for some reason. Maybe to visit another house, or speak to someone, or offer someone else a lift. Maybe CJG was further down the block and they stopped to pick him up.

I maybe overthinking it but I can't shake the feeling that more happened than is being told by those there, and I do have a big question mark regarding TM and VB/CJG.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

Its funny but something I read on TM's fb post stuck with me ( its still there on a public post). Someone asked him if he knew RW had gone inside to make a phonecall after JM was allowed to go shopping with them, and his answer ( to paraphrase) was that 'he didn't know what happened after he thought the girls left'

RSBM. I also remember reading a quote from TM stating that they didn't leave his house for the Mall at 12.00pm that day, but in fact a lot earlier, around 10.30am, I think.

This could explain why they did not meet their friends at the Mall at 1.00pm and would possibly be consistent with the alleged sighting at Minot (at 12.30pm I think ?), if they had already returned from the Mall at that stage.

I don't believe there was any confirmed or even alleged sightings of the girls after the sighting at Minot Ave ?