TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #8

[Pricklykitty]

Also Officer Wilbanks was a Juvenile Detective and looked like Joe Friday on Dragnet.

Froggy is it Willbanks in this video ?
[News Clip: Missing women]

 

[T rex]

Officer Wilbanks stated he felt the girls were still in Fort Worth, dead or alive (which was odd, IMO), though he claimed he had 'nothing to base that on'. This coming from the 'detective' who refused to 'detect'. Hmmm. Why would DA feel the need to stay so close, if there was no way the bodies would ever be found (i.e. 'incinerated')?

Maybe the bodies could be found and maybe not, Texas is a big place. Would the bodies have been disposed of as quickly as possible or would more emphasis have been put on doing it in such a way that they would never be found? In the end it may not matter, like I said Texas is a big place. I don't think bodies will ever be found without some kind of confession.
Just to maintain as much control of the situation as possible is why DA would want to stay close. Certain things could not happen. For instance, if one of the parents had went up and pressed kidnapping charges against Rachel. It doesn't matter if kidnapping has anything to do with this case or not it would have immediately ramped up the investigation with more than one agency. I've asked before and I will ask again did any of the family members attitude change towards other family members after the statutes for kidnapping expired? I don't guess I'll ever get an answer to that but it's something to think about. I think when those statutes expired it was a major milestone in this case and by that I mean a major milestone for the perps. JMO.

 

[FW_Froggy]

Froggy is it Willbanks in this video ?
[News Clip: Missing women]

No.........He's the dark black hair guy in the Port Lavaca video. Looks like a young Joe Friday.

 

[FW_Froggy]

Maybe the bodies could be found and maybe not, Texas is a big place. Would the bodies have been disposed of as quickly as possible or would more emphasis have been put on doing it in such a way that they would never be found? In the end it may not matter, like I said Texas is a big place. I don't think bodies will ever be found without some kind of confession.
Just to maintain as much control of the situation as possible is why DA would want to stay close. Certain things could not happen. For instance, if one of the parents had went up and pressed kidnapping charges against Rachel. It doesn't matter if kidnapping has anything to do with this case or not it would have immediately ramped up the investigation with more than one agency. I've asked before and I will ask again did any of the family members attitude change towards other family members after the statutes for kidnapping expired? I don't guess I'll ever get an answer to that but it's something to think about. I think when those statutes expired it was a major milestone in this case and by that I mean a major milestone for the perps. JMO.

Also DA has chosen Husbands very very Carefully. She has close friends in High places.

 

[Pricklykitty]

No.........He's the dark black hair guy in the Port Lavaca video. Looks like a young Joe Friday.

Oh.....lol I know exactly what you mean now! Wow I've tried to find out who that guy was lots of times, from his demeanor I would never have picked him as le. Thanks

By the way do you happen to know who the officer in the video is?

 

[FW_Froggy]

Oh.....lol I know exactly what you mean now! Wow I've tried to find out who that guy was lots of times, from his demeanor I would never have picked him as le. Thanks

By the way do you happen to know who the officer in the video is?

No I do not BUT He looked Old in 1975 I'm sure he's not around anymore.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Just to maintain as much control of the situation as possible is why DA would want to stay close. Certain things could not happen. For instance, if one of the parents had went up and pressed kidnapping charges against Rachel. It doesn't matter if kidnapping has anything to do with this case or not it would have immediately ramped up the investigation with more than one agency.

Just for argument's sake, what evidence could a multi-agency investigation have found in 1974, that we don't have today? Allegedly the FBI came up empty-handed.

 

[Pricklykitty]

No I do not BUT He looked Old in 1975 I'm sure he's not around anymore.

Oh Im sure he isn't but that wouldn't stop me looking him up if I knew a name!

 

[Brightchaser47]

Regarding places to look for bodies, I'd also consider well locations that the A family had built in the vicinity around the time the girls vanished. Remember the police told RW that they'd received a 'tip' that the girls were in/near a well in Aledo, but they never actually  went to Aledo. So maybe the girls  are somewhere in that area. I sometimes wonder if an accurate tip came in, that was ignored, or simply wasn't followed up on, for whatever reason.

 

[T rex]

Just for argument's sake, what evidence could a multi-agency investigation have found in 1974, that we don't have today? Allegedly the FBI came up empty-handed.

I don't know what evidence could have been found but I would like to. We'll never know now. If this case had been taken more serious early on I think it would have been solved or at the least we wouldn't have all these muddy waters.

 

[beubeubeu]

My brain probably reached the ultimate mess with all the info about this case, so I sorry for asking such question, but I honestly don't know at this point if I'm imagining things or recalling something I've read here (or if it's maybe from some less reliable source).
I keeps bugging me that one of the times DA was accused of lying was regarding to her story about the first time she saw the note. Either she said, or was quotted or someone summarized her story about sitting at Minot home confused and seeing disbelief on TT's face while he got back home.
And then someone said that nope, not the case, cause DA was actually OUTSIDE when TT got the letter from the mailbox. But... there was no clear claim that DA actually SAW IT then.

Was that deemed not credible? Or am I confusing something?
It'd be crazy to have some whitnesses who actually saw TT getting the thing out of the mailbox.
But it feels like there has to be something going on with it THERE, cause it's hard to discard the testimony of the person who allegedly saw the note taped to the door in that house (cause, unless LE was handling their evidence in crazy neglectful ways - piece of transparent tape is visible on the high resol pic of the note).

It's one thing to consider DA lying - obviously.
But that could also mean that possibly TT got something out of the mailbox earlier, but later switched it to the note we all saw (possibly altering the note he found on the bedroom doors)?
OR someone with access to the home, grabbed the note before TT or DA saw it on the door and planted it in their mailbox early morning, hanging out there and pretending they're helping in search (or are there with some other reason)?

Anyone remembers WHEN exactly the person who saw the note taped to the door visited there?

 

[FW_Froggy]

My brain probably reached the ultimate mess with all the info about this case, so I sorry for asking such question, but I honestly don't know at this point if I'm imagining things or recalling something I've read here (or if it's maybe from some less reliable source).
I keeps bugging me that one of the times DA was accused of lying was regarding to her story about the first time she saw the note. Either she said, or was quotted or someone summarized her story about sitting at Minot home confused and seeing disbelief on TT's face while he got back home.
And then someone said that nope, not the case, cause DA was actually OUTSIDE when TT got the letter from the mailbox. But... there was no clear claim that DA actually SAW IT then.

Was that deemed not credible? Or am I confusing something?
It'd be crazy to have some whitnesses who actually saw TT getting the thing out of the mailbox.
But it feels like there has to be something going on with it THERE, cause it's hard to discard the testimony of the person who allegedly saw the note taped to the door in that house (cause, unless LE was handling their evidence in crazy neglectful ways - piece of transparent tape is visible on the high resol pic of the note).

It's one thing to consider DA lying - obviously.
But that could also mean that possibly TT got something out of the mailbox earlier, but later switched it to the note we all saw (possibly altering the note he found on the bedroom doors)?
OR someone with access to the home, grabbed the note before TT or DA saw it on the door and planted it in their mailbox early morning, hanging out there and pretending they're helping in search (or are there with some other reason)?

Anyone remembers WHEN exactly the person who saw the note taped to the door visited there?

Depending on who you talk to there are different stories about the note. It was told the Note was on the door. Some say the front door in which tape might come into play. Some say the Frig. door where tape would probably not come into play(magnet). A verified insider and her friend went and talked to the people who saw the note awhile back. Maybe she will come on and share that conversation with this group.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

My brain probably reached the ultimate mess with all the info about this case, so I sorry for asking such question, but I honestly don't know at this point if I'm imagining things or recalling something I've read here (or if it's maybe from some less reliable source).
I keeps bugging me that one of the times DA was accused of lying was regarding to her story about the first time she saw the note. Either she said, or was quotted or someone summarized her story about sitting at Minot home confused and seeing disbelief on TT's face while he got back home.
And then someone said that nope, not the case, cause DA was actually OUTSIDE when TT got the letter from the mailbox. But... there was no clear claim that DA actually SAW IT then.

RSBM.

The story goes that DA retrieved it from the mailbox and brought it in to TT to read. JMO, but I don't think it was ever in the mailbox to begin with (more 'manafactured' evidence that surrounds this case).

I have also read that the note was seen on both the front door and on the fridge !!!! That seems crazy...what on earth was going on in that house ??

 

[Brightchaser47]

RSBM.

The story goes that DA retrieved it from the mailbox and brought it in to TT to read. JMO, but I don't think it was ever in the mailbox to begin with (more 'manafactured' evidence that surrounds this case).

It probably wasn't. However, if the envelope wasn't actually mailed, someone had to take it to the mall kiosk and get it postmarked that day.
It makes sense to me that there was no envelope with the note, then when LE asked about it, someone took a pre-addressed envelope of TT's to the mall kiosk and had it postmarked. Then someone forged "Rachel" on it to match the signature on the letter; sealed, then tore the flap to make it appear to have contained something, and gave the envelope to LE.
Was a return address required to send something through the mail at that time?

I have also read that the note was seen on both the front door and on the fridge !!!! That seems crazy...what on earth was going on in that house ??

Maybe a budding forger needed the practice...(kidding- I think).

 

[Brightchaser47]

Was there a listing in the newspaper back then of permits to drill gas wells and/or build sites? I think if we knew where gas wells were being put in along Interstate 20 west of Fort Worth around that time, we'd have a plausible search area.
One of the more reliable informants and more specific tips took searchers to Rt 36, east of Rising Star (near the community of Amity). The tipster indicated the bodies weren't buried, but were "dumped out near a gas well". Although an alleged "thorough search" around several gas wells in the area yielded nothing, it's the location that interests me. LE told RW about a very similar alleged tip in/near Aledo (which was not pursued). Aledo is along I 20. Both places are west of Fort Worth. All the other searches (that I'm aware of) were all over the map, and much further away (except Mansfield). The tipsters that led searchers to those areas were vague and/or unreliable. I feel someplace just off I 20 west of Fort Worth, that wasn't likely to be disturbed, is a good possibility.

I realize that's still a rather large area, but it narrows it down from the whole state

 

[jetsfanjohn]

It probably wasn't. However, if the envelope wasn't actually mailed, someone had to take it to the mall kiosk and get it postmarked that day.

RSBM.

Could have been done when the car was 'staged' at the Mall that afternoon...if that is the way things went down that day.

 

[Brightchaser47]

RSBM.

Could have been done when the car was 'staged' at the Mall that afternoon...if that is the way things went down that day.

It would depend on when the day's postmark changed over. If the next day's mail was postmarked that afternoon, yes. If it was closer to say, midnight, then no. JMO

 

[Brightchaser47]

You could be on to something about DA going back and forth. If we consider a scenario like this then we might need to consider the possibility that something else was in the evelope that morning and I don't mean a Christmas card or something, I mean something else relevant to this case.

TT mentioned expecting a ransom note, but not getting one. It's possible one  did come in that envelope, but he kept mum about it, and it was replaced with the "letter", which was given to LE.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Did 'A' trucking hire out to different oil/gas outfits, or were they contracted to a particular company/companies?

 

[Brightchaser47]

I'm confused. We have the 'EC' DA describes in her questions (who was a well-known musician), and we have a "biker ex-boyfriend" whom TT suspects right off the bat (after consulting with his sister-in-law), who's also been referred to as 'EC'. Having done a little research, I conclude they can't be the same guy. Also, I doubt she actually knew the musician EC very well. I think she used him as an alibi to explain her coming and going from Dallas so briefly, because she figured LE wouldn't bother tracking him down. I remember it being said on an earlier page, that DA refuses to discuss the 'biker'. Could it be because he doesn't exist?