TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #8

[Brightchaser47]

I also doubt LE would describe mall security as "someone they knew and trusted" but I wouldnt put much stock in that statement anyway.

RSBM
Interesting that both FWPD and Rachel's brother have perpetuated the narrative that the girls disappeared from mall property. Even the MP reports place them there, although at the time those reports were written, the only "evidence" that the girls had been there was the Olds in the parking lot (which was 'found' under rather suspicious circumstances). The first "sightings" that suggested they had been there weren't reported till later, and then by Rachel's family-- while the actual "last seen by" statement around the time of the A/N visit (which was verified) has been largely ignored. So why the misdirect from LE and Rachel's family? This case is turning 50--time for the skeletons to come out of the closet!!
js and jmo

 

[Olivier La Buse]

My last post was deleted due to intelligent "rules" when I meant no offense. I will rewrite my question: Is there any breakthrough related to the police or any DNA analysis of Rachel's letter?

 

[Brightchaser47]

Is there any breakthrough related to the police or any DNA analysis of Rachel's letter?

RSBM
I think the last actual press conference for this case was in 2001. At about that same time, while the FWPD Crime Lab was testing for DNA on the letter/envelope, the lab was shut down amid controversy. But according to FWPD, there were no DNA matches. It's possible the letter/envelope were lost or destroyed during testing or the shut down, which means no retesting....
ETA: From what I understand, FWPD currently shows no interest or willingness to allow new eyes/technology access to the letter/envelope. Again, possibly because they no longer exist. jmo

 

[Olivier La Buse]

RSBM
I think the last actual press conference for this case was in 2001. At about that same time, while the FWPD Crime Lab was testing for DNA on the letter/envelope, the lab was shut down amid controversy. But according to FWPD, there were no DNA matches. It's possible the letter/envelope were lost or destroyed during testing or the shut down, which means no retesting....
ETA: From what I understand, FWPD currently shows no interest or willingness to allow new eyes/technology access to the letter/envelope. Again, possibly because they no longer exist. jm

Will check on this information.

 

[T rex]

Then also look at the date of the deed on the Arnold home on 6th Ave. it was rented prior to June of 74 and no bank listed as financing it in the deed. Very interesting indeed.

Was the 10k enough or do you think TT gave them more?

I just listened to the Die-alogue podcasts again, thought I'd post a link for anyone that hasn't. Have any of your feelings changed about this case since then? I hope one poster has not run you off forever.

Kelli Jean Arnold | Fort Worth Trio Family Member – DIE-ALOGUE – Podcast

I am venturing into something different this week: a case in two parts. Kelli Jean Arnold - second cousin to Rachel Trlica, one of the 3 girls who missing from Fort Worth Texas in 1974, found my true... – Listen to Kelli Jean Arnold | Fort Worth Trio Family Member by DIE-ALOGUE instantly on your...

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Kelli Jean Arnold | Fort Worth Trio Family Member

Podcast Episode · DIE-ALOGUE · 03/05/2020 · 1h

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[Olivier La Buse]

Just listening to a talk show ("Fort Worth Memories").

There, Rusty states there is DNA on the letter which still does not match anybody.

Important: He also talks about the handwriting analysis.

On the 21st of this month there will be another talk show with him and Debra.

 

[Olivier La Buse]

Not sure if I can give you the link to it.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Not sure if I can give you the link to it.

Probably not, since it's a talk show.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I've not listened to all these yet, but I did notice the comment made (Diealogue part 1) that a FWPD detective allegedly gave conflicting statements to the families regarding handwriting analysis (W family got one version, M family got another, IIRC). I believe that was alluded to on Nancy Grace, also.
It could just be me, but I saw it as a diversion tactic by FWPD to keep the families wondering amongst themselves, while no actual investigating takes place. js and jmo

 

[T rex]

I've not listened to all these yet, but I did notice the comment made (Diealogue part 1) that a FWPD detective allegedly gave conflicting statements to the families regarding handwriting analysis (W family got one version, M family got another, IIRC). I believe that was alluded to on Nancy Grace, also.
It could just be me, but I saw it as a diversion tactic by FWPD to keep the families wondering amongst themselves, while no actual investigating takes place. js and jmo

I've heard the party that Renee had made plans for was the one at the A's neighbor and the same neighbor was the one with RW that night but I can't remember if it was from this source or multiple sources. I can't remember if this has been confirmed or how accurate it is. Maybe someone else here knows.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I've heard the party that Renee had made plans for was the one at the A's neighbor and the same neighbor was the one with RW that night but I can't remember if it was from this source or multiple sources. I can't remember if this has been confirmed or how accurate it is. Maybe someone else here knows.

That's how I've always understood it, but I can't swear to the accuracy of it. I've always wondered (but never heard) whether that party was actually held. I'd think it would be difficult to host a party when your best friend's daughter is missing. As I recall, it was to be held at about the same time Renee's parents were searching the mall/lot.

 

[T rex]

We can only hope that FWPD is using genetic genealogy in this case. Here's a recent article from November 26.

Fort Worth cold case families feel 'forgotten' as small police unit juggles 1,000 cases

Families who have suffered from some of Fort Worth's most heinous and mysterious unsolved crimes say a lack of staff in the Fort Worth Police Department's Cold Case Unit has left Justice Shelved in their decades-long struggles for answers.

www.nbcdfw.com

 

[Brightchaser47]

We can only hope that FWPD is using genetic genealogy in this case. Here's a recent article from November 26.

Fort Worth cold case families feel 'forgotten' as small police unit juggles 1,000 cases

Families who have suffered from some of Fort Worth's most heinous and mysterious unsolved crimes say a lack of staff in the Fort Worth Police Department's Cold Case Unit has left Justice Shelved in their decades-long struggles for answers.

www.nbcdfw.com

I don't think staffing is the issue in our case, but good article. There are still people at FWPD that care.
ETA: Not sure how genetic geneaology would help in this case.

 

[T rex]

I don't think staffing is the issue in our case, but good article. There are still people at FWPD that care.
ETA: Not sure how genetic geneaology would help in this case.

With the advances in such things as trace and mitochondrial dna it's possible that evidence from the letter or envelope could still be used.

 

[T rex]

I don't think staffing is the issue in our case, but good article. There are still people at FWPD that care.

Chief Noakes makes some promises in this article just a few weeks ago. Now I see just four days ago, Dec 9, he announced his retirement. I don't know if any of them really care or not.

Fort Worth Police

The Fort Worth Police Department is a municipal law enforcement agency of the City of Fort Worth.

police.fortworthtexas.gov

 

[Brightchaser47]

Chief Noakes makes some promises in this article just a few weeks ago. Now I see just four days ago, Dec 9, he announced his retirement. I don't know if any of them really care or not.

Fort Worth Police

The Fort Worth Police Department is a municipal law enforcement agency of the City of Fort Worth.

police.fortworthtexas.gov

It would be interesting to know whether he knew he was retiring when he made the promises...jmo

 

[T rex]

That's how I've always understood it, but I can't swear to the accuracy of it. I've always wondered (but never heard) whether that party was actually held. I'd think it would be difficult to host a party when your best friend's daughter is missing. As I recall, it was to be held at about the same time Renee's parents were searching the mall/lot.

I was just trying to theorize what everyone's plans were for that night. If the party was at the friends and neighbors of the A family and Rachel's good friend, Renee, was going to be there then I'm wondering if Rachel had plans to be there too. TT was scheduled to bowl that night but was Rachel going to be there with him, or was she staying home, or was she going to the party or somewhere else? And what about DA? She tells some story about a man from Houston that made a planned stop that she had forgot about but I don't see how it could have been at Minot. So was DA planning on being at her parents or somewhere else? Maybe she was going to be at the party too. Just some things I've been thinking about.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I was just trying to theorize what everyone's plans were for that night. If the party was at the friends and neighbors of the A family and Rachel's good friend, Renee, was going to be there then I'm wondering if Rachel had plans to be there too. TT was scheduled to bowl that night but was Rachel going to be there with him, or was she staying home, or was she going to the party or somewhere else?

RSBM
We're told ad nauseum that Renee was going, but nothing's ever been said (that I know of) about whether Rachel was going.

And what about DA? She tells some story about a man from Houston that made a planned stop that she had forgot about but I don't see how it could have been at Minot.

For SM to come visit DA at Minot for any reason, he had to know she was living there, which means they were in touch. She'd allegedly been staying with him the month before, but we really can't confirm that.

So was DA planning on being at her parents or somewhere else? Maybe she was going to be at the party too. Just some things I've been thinking about.

All good questions. We've never been told whether any of Rachel's family were actually invited to the neighbors' party. FA went over to help decorate, but that's all we're told. Assuming Rachel and TT were to bowl, DA might've been planning to work that night.

 

[T rex]

For SM to come visit DA at Minot for any reason, he had to know she was living there, which means they were in touch. She'd allegedly been staying with him the month before, but we really can't confirm that.

I don't think DA was at Minot that night, so he would have to know of the events of that day or DA had already planned to be at the place he went to. Of course we have to remember who the source of this story is but I don't believe it's totally made up. I believe something happened but it's hard to tell what.JMO.

All good questions. We've never been told whether any of Rachel's family were actually invited to the neighbors' party. FA went over to help decorate, but that's all we're told. Assuming Rachel and TT were to bowl, DA might've been planning to work that night.

It's easy to assume that Rachel would have been there with TT but I think it's just as easy to assume she might have been doing something else.

It's possible DA had to work and she was going to be home in time for her meeting or she really did forget about it, but once again all this rests on the veracity of her statements.

 

[PGHJW]

Where do we get a key for all these names? Seriously, I’ve known of this case for well over a decade but it’s truly hard to keep up with this thread as any sort of newbie with all these initials being thrown around. Something needs to be done to help the much-needed fresh eyes on this case unless this continues to be a little insiders club.