TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #8

[jetsfanjohn]

Other than all 3 girls unwittingly finding themselves witness to something involving someone/s they could then identify, I've never come up with a motive to killing 3 young girls at the same time. There wouldn't be piecemeal motives. I can, however, think of several scenarios where two and certainly one was a target and the other two had to be silenced but were not intended victims. Then, as now, people kill for seemingly small reasons, but it would have to be something big to take out 3 people, let alone young girls and one very young one. I'm guessing all 3 could identify at least the place if not the people. Julie would be doomed if she either recognized (or knew) a perpetrator, but also the place. If they were strangers but it went down as so-and-so's house or business, you can't let Julie free.

As for why it hasn't been solved, I believe there are people still alive who could be prosecuted, either as perpetrators or accessories. Less likely but still possible is allegiance to a killer/s now deceased, perhaps in consideration of current family. What I find curious is that even with all of these people, there isn't much known about classmates or friends beyond the key players. One would think the rumor mill would have led to some leads, even if they were false leads. A triple disappearance and assumed murder doesn't quiet an entire community from gossip.

Does anyone know of any other unexpected deaths or accidents, or people who left town within a year of the disappearances?

There was a scenario posted a few years ago in an earlier thread where it was suggested the perp did not realise the two younger girls where in the car when the eldest girl was attacked. This would negate the theory that all three were killed at exactly the same time.

This scenario makes more sense to me than all three being attacked at the same time.

 

[T rex]

As for why it hasn't been solved, I believe there are people still alive who could be prosecuted, either as perpetrators or accessories. Less likely but still possible is allegiance to a killer/s now deceased, perhaps in consideration of current family. What I find curious is that even with all of these people, there isn't much known about classmates or friends beyond the key players. One would think the rumor mill would have led to some leads, even if they were false leads. A triple disappearance and assumed murder doesn't quiet an entire community from gossip.

Someone somewhere has something to hide.

Does anyone know of any other unexpected deaths or accidents, or people who left town within a year of the disappearances?

I searched the missing sites years ago with this in mind but could never really come up with anything. I think they say VB left for California shortly after but I don't really know. I don't know about accidents either but there's a post just a few pages back about a hit and run.

 

[Brightchaser47]

As for why it hasn't been solved, I believe there are people still alive who could be prosecuted, either as perpetrators or accessories. Less likely but still possible is allegiance to a killer/s now deceased, perhaps in consideration of current family. One would think the rumor mill would have led to some leads, even if they were false leads. A triple disappearance and assumed murder doesn't quiet an entire community from gossip.

Someone somewhere has something to hide.

ALL RSBM
Absolutely. The A family may have been implicated in this by other parties involved with serious connections to LE, for this case to have taken the course it has over 50+ years.
As for gossip, I'm certain there's been plenty of it, but you can't prosecute gossip-- not even accurate gossip. And families can keep a secret in very sinister ways.
JMO

 

[Brightchaser47]

There was a scenario posted a few years ago in an earlier thread where it was suggested the perp did not realise the two younger girls where in the car when the eldest girl was attacked. This would negate the theory that all three were killed at exactly the same time.

This scenario makes more sense to me than all three being attacked at the same time.

All three girls going missing together doesn't have to mean they were attacked/killed simultaneously, but I can think of one or two possible scenarios where they perished together. jmo

 

[DD Byrd]

There was a scenario posted a few years ago in an earlier thread where it was suggested the perp did not realise the two younger girls where in the car when the eldest girl was attacked. This would negate the theory that all three were killed at exactly the same time.

This scenario makes more sense to me than all three being attacked at the same time.

Indeed, that may have been my post. My sense is one was killed or injured beyond letting her go, and another or both of the remaining girls heard it, saw it, or came into the room/building/woods where it had happened and that was it. I think if one were killed after telling the others "I'm going to so and so's house, be right there to pick you up," that wouldn't be enough for so and so to go track down the other/s. Possible, but a lot more time for witnesses.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I searched the missing sites years ago with this in mind but could never really come up with anything. I think they say VB left for California shortly after but I don't really know. I don't know about accidents either but there's a post just a few pages back about a hit and run.

RSBM
That's one thing that separates this case from others in the area. Fort Worth has a number of unsolved stabbings and shootings from that time period, but I can't think of any other cases right off-hand where three girls just up and disappeared, leaving nothing but the car they started out in.

 

[T rex]

RSBM
That's one thing that separates this case from others in the area. Fort Worth has a number of unsolved stabbings and shootings from that time period, but I can't think of any other cases right off-hand where three girls just up and disappeared, leaving nothing but the car they started out in.

I was mostly looking for someone that possibly could have been eliminated because they were involved or had knowledge of this case but could not be trusted by others to keep that secret. It's a daunting task because as you have mentioned there's so many cases with so little information about them.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I was mostly looking for someone that possibly could have been eliminated because they were involved or had knowledge of this case but could not be trusted by others to keep that secret. It's a daunting task because as you have mentioned there's so many cases with so little information about them.

I see what you're saying, now.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I was mostly looking for someone that possibly could have been eliminated because they were involved or had knowledge of this case but could not be trusted by others to keep that secret.

I have to agree with you that the families and other people ( vb for example) were for more connected than we are lead to believe.

I do think it was someone or people known to the girls and families in some capacity, and I do think threats and intimidation played a part in keeping people from speaking out. I also think the changing narratives and misdirection, the denials of closer connections between the families, and all the missing pieces which should be easy to fill in, are down to those close to the girls protecting themselves first and foremost. I also feel there must be a perceived credible threat to this day that still prevents people speaking up, and this contributes to all the mess of information we have still today.

ALL RSBM
There have been cases of assault/murder carried out by a group, where the members of the group swore each other to secrecy-- "if one of us goes down, we all go down", "you know what I (or we) did to so-and-so-- the same will happen to whoever opens their mouth", "it was an accident and nobody has to know", or "that was a long time ago-- we were young, dumb kids and we've moved on".... I think at least some of these apply in this case. Also possible that the presence of drugs/alcohol, mixed with denial, has distorted memories and blurred details, making it easier to forget. You can't feel guilt or remorse if you can't remember, and this was a long time ago.
It's true--statements and timelines don't add up, that there's a strong sense that even people who likely weren't involved in the girls disappearing aren't telling the truth or all they know.
I think they must have an idea who did this and still fear being associated with them or what they or their friends are capable of doing. What if some of those other kids were responsible for the trio's deaths? What if there were parents willing to tamper with evidence and obstruct justice to protect themselves and their kids? That's multiple families and multiple generations bound by capital murder. All speculation and jmo.

 

[FWTrioDoc]

All three girls going missing together doesn't have to mean they were attacked/killed simultaneously, but I can think of one or two possible scenarios where they perished together. jmo

@Brightchaser47 I agree with this as a possible scenario. There is one bad actor in all of this that actually could explain how three girls could be handled and not a surprise/inconvenience that was rumored in one version of the story to be at the mall and can directly be connected to a couple of people rumored to have participated in one version of the story. The junkyard owner off Mansfield highway was verifiably know to have a leaning toward very young girls up through young ladies older than Rachel and was verifiably known to be quite a vicious human being. In a scenario where three girls could be picked up (with help), those three girls would not be a cause for concern for him at all, they would be a jackpot score. it's terrible way to think about things but not out of the realm of possibility and when trying to put together a potential event where you don't need any of the girls to have witnessed anything, this would solve that mechanism as he would have had a place to keep them and in no way would any of the girls be seen as collateral damage, rather they would be seen as an actual prize. I know its really grim but that's one other scenario to add to the mix.

 

[tilomagnet]

A junkyard is certainly also one of the best places to make bodies disappear forever.

 

[Brightchaser47]

A junkyard is certainly also one of the best places to make bodies disappear forever.

Definitely. I know there are a few in the Fort Worth area that have been in business for at least a few decades. There's one in particular along Mansfield Highway I've considered, but I can't find who started it or who owned it in 1974. Pretty sure there's been a yard in that location since the 1950s, though.

 

[OneLove]

>>>snip<<<. One would think the rumor mill would have led to some leads, even if they were false leads. A triple disappearance and assumed murder doesn't quiet an entire community from gossip.

Yeah it does .... if they have good reason to be terrified.

I know; I grew up in the south at a time in history when terror reigned. Still does in some parts. I can tell stories you dont want to know.

 

[Brightchaser47]

As for why it hasn't been solved, I believe there are people still alive who could be prosecuted, either as perpetrators or accessories.

RSBM
Agree. I am now of the firm belief that Fort Worth and Tarrant County LE have knowledge of what happened to the trio, I'm just not sure whether they actually know where the bodies are. Either they don't know, but aren't willing to pursue it because of potential fallout, or they do know, and aren't willing to pursue it because of potential fallout. Either way, Rachel, Renee, and Julie deserve better.

Yeah it does .... if they have good reason to be terrified.

RSBM
Yes, there's terrified of what the complicit could/would do, and there's terrified because of what LE won't do.....
JMO

 

[Tex Willer]

Is it known what time TT reached the bowling alley that evening? And who called him to inform him of Rachel's disappearance?

 

[Hearttriobroken]

Okay, I want to say that I believe three young ladies can be abducted by the threat of a gun.

So after digging further, regarding the letter: If the letter came from Seminary South the postal cancellation would not have been 760…anything. The cancellation would have been 76115 or possibly 76119. If one believes it’s 7608.., it would have been 76086 as that was the zip for Weatherford, Tx and the main post office in 1974. 76088 wasn’t in use until the 80s. It’s not likely to be 76083 as the numeral three closes on the right not the left. However, 76083 was associated with Throckmorton in the 70s. I don’t believe a letter could have arrived from Weatherford or Throckmorton by the next morning unless maybe it was sent before the evening delivery. Incidentally, TT purchased property in Throckmorton using Rachel’s name on the paperwork even though she had already disappeared. Does anyone remember there was a lady at the bowling alley who said that she babysat for TT for several hours on the disappearance night? It takes 30 to 45 minutes to get to Weatherford from Southwest Fort Worth.
Then there is the guy who ‘fled’ to California after their disappearance. He said that RT had said something rude to him before the shopping trip at the house on Gordon. He also stated that he did not go with them because he was drinking alcohol with a friend that was going to have surgery. My question is why would someone about to have surgery drink alcohol. Wasn’t TM supposed to be visiting the same sick friend? Does he collaborate the other young man’s alibi? Why did the other young man leave?
And thirdly, I just wanna throw in MDeb in on the mix because his mother lived just down the street from seminary south. She died September 1973. MDeb is on accounted for during this time from what I can see until 1975. What do you all think?

 

[beubeubeu]

Okay, I want to say that I believe three young ladies can be abducted by the threat of a gun.

So after digging further, regarding the letter: If the letter came from Seminary South the postal cancellation would not have been 760…anything. The cancellation would have been 76115 or possibly 76119. If one believes it’s 7608.., it would have been 76086 as that was the zip for Weatherford, Tx and the main post office in 1974. 76088 wasn’t in use until the 80s. It’s not likely to be 76083 as the numeral three closes on the right not the left. However, 76083 was associated with Throckmorton in the 70s. I don’t believe a letter could have arrived from Weatherford or Throckmorton by the next morning unless maybe it was sent before the evening delivery.

Allegedly some people 100% confirmed that was the exact same postal cancellation that all letters mailed from SS had. Ive read this here, I dont know.
What I do know is that I havent saw or was able to find on google, ebay, or any other postcard/stamp collecting site a cancelation that would look like that one. With "24" and "DEC" not in the same line. And "197" and "4" not in the same line.
But considering that I did it for maybe two days, years ago and that the only refferal pic is so blurry, it obviously means nothing.

Also: nobody asks me, but I would surely want to ask why its always Weatherford and Throckmorton?
It could be 76086 - Thockmorton, yes.
It could be 76088 - so Weatherford.
But I see there P O S T A L S E R V I C E , T X with no missing parts of the letters. Then 7 6 (something) 9 (something).
And if Id have to read it and do my best guess Id say 78098 or 76098. I cant see how people so confidently see "8" as fifth digit and "6" as last.

BUT if someone messed with that envelope or stamp, investigators 100% should be able to tell, even in the 70s, not to mention now.

Incidentally, TT purchased property in Throckmorton using Rachel’s name on the paperwork even though she had already disappeared.

Could he not while still being legally married?

Then there is the guy who ‘fled’ to California after their disappearance. He said that RT had said something rude to him before the shopping trip at the house on Gordon. He also stated that he did not go with them because he was drinking alcohol with a friend that was going to have surgery. My question is why would someone about to have surgery drink alcohol. Wasn’t TM supposed to be visiting the same sick friend? Does he collaborate the other young man’s alibi? Why did the other young man leave?
And thirdly, I just wanna throw in MDeb in on the mix because his mother lived just down the street from seminary south. She died September 1973. MDeb is on accounted for during this time from what I can see until 1975. What do you all think?

TM said that he excused himself from going shopping cause he had to visit a friend who was supposed to have surgery.
TM said that he was drinking with "California" guy on many occasions.
I dont remember anymore and dont have intervievs at hand but it was also theorised that TM used sick friend excuse and drank with "California" guy on that afternoon. Pretty unsure if it had a solid source like an interview behind it.

 

[tilomagnet]

In the Gone Cold Podcast the host also tried to sell that the Letter was 100% mailed from SS and any other suggestion would be BS.

Maybe it is, but the Throckmorton (of all places) connection with TT's property is certainly baffling....