Found Deceased TX - Kaytlynn Cargill, 14, Bedford, 19 June 2017 #2

[Spartygirl]

I also still think it may be bully related!


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I do too !!! I just can't shake that thought even reading other options

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[janesmith787]

I wonder if walking the dog was an excuse to get out of the house...
to see someone maybe?

"Bye mom! I'm taking the dog for a walk."

"Don't stay out too long."

"Ok, Mom. I'll be back soon".

And of course , she wasn't and that may be why her mom got anxious
so quickly.


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Bingo! My thoughts exactly. JMO


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[DeDee]

Hi DeeDee,

I just don't know. Could be the friend "assumed" Katylynn did. As far I as I know we have been given very little hard evidence. The police aren't confirming anything as fact right? I'm just wondering, what if the dog was purposefully left there in a staged manner for ppl to assume Katylynn did it? So much of this case rubs me the wrong way.

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I've stated before that the dog is the key.

The only eye witness is the one female who is quoted as stating that KC tied the leash to the fence and KC asked the others [eyewitnesses] to watch her dog for a bit.

Let's say the friend is mistaken. The friend is mistaken and did not really watch KC tie the dog. Then, we don't know who tied the dog but it had to be someone who had access to the dog in order to tie him up. While all of this tying is being done KC finds herself over her head in quicksand. Or vice versa.

I suppose whatever undetermined cause happened to KC, then it occurred between 6:00PM and 8:00PM. She is placed in the dumpster fairly soon after assault/abduction/murder then ends up at the landfill by Wednesday afternoon or 45 hours later. Who threw this child away? I better get busy on a letter writing campaign.

 

[DeDee]

Very true..... but, a predator that would discard his victim into the garbage would not likely not take the time/care to redress her. Although she could have had her clothes ripped but still on her body, I don't think she was SA. I very much hope she was not.

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There are limitations to the possibilities due, in part, to the timeframe. I vote SA every time unless it was a horrific accident, which it might have been. Hiding the victim at the landfill turned out to benefit KC. But, it takes a special type of evil personality to make this happen to Kate. There would be no redressing to go to the landfill. I could not tell for sure what her precious body may have been covered with during the filming of the recovery efforts.

It does not appear planned or premeditated, so on the spur of the moment, the dumpster was used. Then, KC surfaces almost two days later just a few short miles down the road into an "unknown situation".

 

[TXNurse77]

If Kaytlynn was found with obvious signs of injury like stab wounds or having been beaten to death, she'd fit the profile of a kid killed by another teen, IMO.

Maybe she was and LE is simply being cagey at the moment. But if COD is still really not known I have a hunch it's more a sex predator case where someone who is not a juvenile grabbed her either opportunistically or via luring her. >

Rsbm

I wonder if they had a hard time determining COD because she was in the TX heat for -probably (assuming dumpster was picked up on Tuesday AM)- 24 hours or so, likely had damage to her body from the trash truck... those trucks have compactors that smush the garbage down *shudder*... plus they had to process a scene in a garbage pile - I imagine that's a huge task! BPD has been super careful in their wording by stating no signs of trauma that we can report. IMO - That doesn't mean there was no sign of trauma, rather nothing that could be determined on appearance at the dump site...




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[cluciano63]

I don't think we will get any final clarification as to manner of death...maybe not even cause.

 

[gitana1]

Rsbm

I wonder if they had a hard time determining COD because she was in the TX heat for -probably (assuming dumpster was picked up on Tuesday AM)- 24 hours or so, likely had damage to her body from the trash truck... those trucks have compactors that smush the garbage down *shudder*... plus they had to process a scene in a garbage pile - I imagine that's a huge task! BPD has been super careful in their wording by stating no signs of trauma that we can report. IMO - That doesn't mean there was no sign of trauma, rather nothing that could be determined on appearance at the dump site...




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You make a great point. Ugh. So even "obvious" COD's may not be so obvious depending on decomp. I really hope her family is not reading here.

 

[TXNurse77]

I don't think we will get any final clarification as to manner of death...maybe not even cause.

This is my fear! I hope for KCs sake this able to be resolved and someone is brought to justice!


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[creepcrusher]

I worry about the DNA evidence being compromised due to her being at the landfill.

 

[janesmith787]

I don't think we will get any final clarification as to manner of death...maybe not even cause.

I respectfully disagree. I think the answer is something none of us want it to be, but toxicology I believe will tell that. No matter what she didn't deserve to die and didn't deserve to be dumped. JMO


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[MIKAYOYO]

Hello fellow Websleuths! I was vacay for a few days. I still think the cops know COD and I truly believe they're using the wait of toxicology to not have to go public with findings. I also think they have a clue who may be responsible but need more evidence. JMO. I'm still curious about her phone.


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[Raven3337]

My son.... sorry - just mentioning some changed behaviors in response to this event... my son's gf walked over to see him at our place regularly, now she isn't allowed to walk over anymore... she's 15 or 16...

OT - my daughter who always thinks the world is out to get her is not shaken in the least by this death because she "thinks it was other kids" so she's not worried about a predator on the loose... she has no inside info, just her 17 year old girl's dissection of the events...


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It wouldn't surprise me in the least, if "other kids" are responsible for Kaytlyn's death. Your daughter's dissection has merit, in my opinion.

 

[gitana1]

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I don't know that I agree. There have a few cases where there was or it seems there is a bad guy on the loose but LE reassures us:

Three days after Jessica Ridgeway went missing &#8211; Westminster police insisted to the community they had no &#8220;reason to believe a person is going around abducting children.&#8221;
http://www.thedailybeast.com/jessica-ridgeway-is-dead-colorado-kidnapping-ends-in-tragedy

LE stated that the murder of Alanna Gallagher was &#8220;an isolated incident&#8221;.
https://usedview.com/police-alanna-gallagher-murder-isolated-incident-no-one-ruled-out-as-suspect/
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/03/...rl-identified-as-6-year-old-alanna-gallagher/

&#8220;They say they don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s any immediate danger to the community.&#8221; Abby and Libby murders.
http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/timelin...iberty-german-and-abigail-williams-in-delphi/

Hello fellow Websleuths! I was vacay for a few days. I still think the cops know COD and I truly believe they're using the wait of toxicology to not have to go public with findings. I also think they have a clue who may be responsible but need more evidence. JMO. I'm still curious about her phone.


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BBM. I agree. I have a hunch this is very solveable.

 

[cluciano63]

In most of the cases I have seen when LE has said they do not believe the community is in danger (rightly or otherwise) they still acknowledged murder had taken place. I just do not believe that LE believes they have a murder at this point. But a suspicious death has to be investigated the same way.

 

[borndem]

I don't know that I agree. There have a few cases where there was or it seems there is a bad guy on the loose but LE reassures us:

Three days after Jessica Ridgeway went missing &#8211; Westminster police insisted to the community they had no &#8220;reason to believe a person is going around abducting children.&#8221;
http://www.thedailybeast.com/jessica-ridgeway-is-dead-colorado-kidnapping-ends-in-tragedy

LE stated that the murder of Alanna Gallagher was &#8220;an isolated incident&#8221;.
https://usedview.com/police-alanna-gallagher-murder-isolated-incident-no-one-ruled-out-as-suspect/
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/03/...rl-identified-as-6-year-old-alanna-gallagher/

&#8220;They say they don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s any immediate danger to the community.&#8221; Abby and Libby murders.
http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/timelin...iberty-german-and-abigail-williams-in-delphi/

BBM. I agree. I have a hunch this is very solveable.

I'm starting to think the same thing -- just a feeling (but my feelings have been wrong before). I
do think that it's possible that her death was an accident due to excess force or something of that nature. (Example: Kids are playing and one pushes another, and the other loses his balance and falls, hitting his head and dying.) It is probable, however, that in this case the one who "pushed," or hit, etc. may not have been a kid. And then panic ensues, thus the dumpster, ending up at the landfill. Dunno. Maybe we'll get a detail or two more (from where??) that puts my feeling in the "wrong" category.

ETA: LE may have good evidence, but maybe not good enuff yet.

 

[roadrunnermt]

Is it possible to distinguish trauma at the time of death versus trauma after death from the trash? Wouldn't the coloring be different, etc?

Does anyone know which apartment was visited? It could have been her apartment to like maybe collect her phone/computer looking for connections maybe?

I don't believe the community is safe either. I think LE is just buying time and minimally giving tidbits of info.

I think she was meeting with someone who then killed her. Maybe kids from school, maybe a guy, maybe in her inner circle, but bet her friends will know.

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[TXNurse77]

Is it possible to distinguish trauma at the time of death versus trauma after death from the trash? Wouldn't the coloring be different, etc?

Does anyone know which apartment was visited? It could have been her apartment to like maybe collect her phone/computer looking for connections maybe?

I don't believe the community is safe either. I think LE is just buying time and minimally giving tidbits of info.

I think she was meeting with someone who then killed her. Maybe kids from school, maybe a guy, maybe in her inner circle, but bet her friends will know.

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Within hours of death, blood starts to pool in the dependent tissues and you get what is called lividity... Blunt trauma or cuts after death will not "bruise/bleed/clot" like would happen when the blood is pumping through the body. I have no idea how that would be effected if the body was tumbled around in motion in the back of a compactor... I would think it would depend on the time of death versus time into the dumpster and then into the dump... gosh, this is when I wish I had taken more of a forensics route!

ETA - http://farmfreshforensics.com/csi_blog/view/198/forensic_lesson_of_the_day__post_mortem_lividity this guy breaks it down pretty well

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[MIKAYOYO]

Within hours of death, blood starts to pool in the dependent tissues and you get what is called lividity... Blunt trauma or cuts after death will not "bruise/bleed/clot" like would happen when the blood is pumping through the body. I have no idea how that would be effected if the body was tumbled around in motion in the back of a compactor... I would think it would depend on the time of death versus time into the dumpster and then into the dump... gosh, this is when I wish I had taken more of a forensics route!

ETA - http://farmfreshforensics.com/csi_blog/view/198/forensic_lesson_of_the_day__post_mortem_lividity this guy breaks it down pretty well

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As much as I hate typing this is there the possibility she was actually compacted or worse before actually making it to the landfill? I'm so sorry I know that sounds so awful but could possibly explain the delay in COD.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I'm starting to think the same thing -- just a feeling (but my feelings have been wrong before). I
do think that it's possible that her death was an accident due to excess force or something of that nature. (Example: Kids are playing and one pushes another, and the other loses his balance and falls, hitting his head and dying.) It is probable, however, that in this case the one who "pushed," or hit, etc. may not have been a kid. And then panic ensues, thus the dumpster, ending up at the landfill. Dunno. Maybe we'll get a detail or two more (from where??) that puts my feeling in the "wrong" category.

ETA: LE may have good evidence, but maybe not good enuff yet.

I would think that she was put into the dumpster during the night. Wouldn't that eliminate the 'kid' view? In other words a teen would have to leave the apartment during the night.


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[Deleted member 172065]

Within hours of death, blood starts to pool in the dependent tissues and you get what is called lividity... Blunt trauma or cuts after death will not "bruise/bleed/clot" like would happen when the blood is pumping through the body. I have no idea how that would be effected if the body was tumbled around in motion in the back of a compactor... I would think it would depend on the time of death versus time into the dumpster and then into the dump... gosh, this is when I wish I had taken more of a forensics route!

ETA - http://farmfreshforensics.com/csi_blog/view/198/forensic_lesson_of_the_day__post_mortem_lividity this guy breaks it down pretty well

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I wonder what the lady who commented earlier up thread (and has a husband who is employed by a sanitation company) would know about this...as to how much trash is compacted.


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