Found Deceased TX - Kaytlynn Cargill, 14, Bedford, 19 June 2017 #3 *Arrest*

[faw720]

I think peer pressure has always been a problem for teenagers & will continue to be a problem for them as long as the world exists. Back in 'dinosaur days' when I was a teen I always wanted to do whatever my friends were doing. If my mother said "no", I would always reply that all my friends were doing it (whatever it was). Her reply to me was always the same, "If all your friends were walking on hot coals, would you want to do it too?" Me: "No, but.............."

 

[everybodhi]

"Fronting" someone drugs is not unusual with dealers. $300 is not a big deal to give someone on credit if you trust them. Most would give that much ($300 is an average price for a high quality ounce in a non-legal state) to someone who is selling because they know how easy it to move, it practically sells itself.

Because the goal was supposed processing to concentrates there was little risk for being ripped off.

TLDR: $300 is not very much to trust someone with when dealing with pot, in my experiences.

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Also, concentrate is made from the trim, which has little to no value until it is processed.

 

[ninij9]

In other words, minimize the victim's role since the crime revolves around drugs.

You're removing her from the equation. You're also placing the blame on the person who came forward. Not only are you taking the phone out of her hand, you're making all of it the idea of her friend even though she is clearly involved every step of the way.


Her being involved doesn't make it any less of a tragedy so I don't understand this line of thinking.




I wish Kaytlynn's story could go viral and the truth be allowed to be presented so other children can actually learn something from this.

We have no way of knowing who introduced her to this and unless she had a diary, we may never know.

I realize one thing.....as does anyone here who has either used marijuana or knows people who do....she doesn't appear to be a newbie to this. You don't wake up one day and decide to experiment with marijuana and then immediately start helping a dealer process his supply. Considering her age, that is disturbing.

I need to read all the info again. That mention of her running away at the sight of the friend is telling. She's already learning how it works. The indiscreet discretions.

Hopefully they can retrace her steps in the last year of her life. Maybe a diary, her internet/phone history, and some straight talk with her friends.

I also hope they do not end the investigation at that guy's front door. That 16 year old is not the main dealer. They need to go a few more steps up the ladder. If there are other Kaytlynns in this area doing a similar "job" for them, this little weed operation in Bedford needs to be shut down ASAP.

I'd also like to know if these teens were using other drugs.


None of it surprises me. Modern culture is pure garbage. People worship types like the Kardashians and various social media "stars" who literally have no talent at anything(and don't hide this fact), has been mainstreamed, people watch "reality" shows and are now dumb enough to believe its actually real, they take selfies and post them on the internet as if anyone actually cares, stay glued to a cellphone 24/7, music has become disposable, drown in fake outrage regarding things that don't really bother them, list goes on and on.

Think its bad now? It's only going to get worse as we are in the infancy stage of the idiocy era. You cant even escape it if you want to. Its everywhere. I don't even know how we got to this point but its here and its not going away.

This is an awesome post. I agree a million percent that taking Kaytlynns actions out of the equation to preserve some kind of image of her for her loved ones is a dangerous action. Kids ARE more worldly today and WE have to catch up to them or we can never help.

Funny story (or not):
my 17 year old son came home after an afternoon trip to the mall recently. I wanted a kiss so I joked "come here lemme smell your breath". He kissed me (love this kid to death) still joking (swear) I said "hey what's that smell?" Too his utter shock and my horror he admitted to smoking pot (I SMELLED NOTHING, I WAS JOKING).

Well joke was on me, but now I know. He was punished (with his honesty taken into account) and I have a heightened awareness. I would have Bible stack sworn NOT MY SON. Anyway. Kaytlynn was just a girl, in 2017, maybe doing what some girls in 2017 do. Period.

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[ninij9]

Roller. I'm not coordinated enough for ice. I tried it last Christmas I ended up crawling around the rink to the door because they wouldn't let me go back lol.


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Haha Tssiemer!!! this accurately describes my first and only attempt at ice skating as well.

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[HurremSultan]

Gosh Im having a hard time believing that he fronted her this drug. Im not sure of the relationship they had but he'd only been living there a short amount of time. Looks like Source 1 lived with him and knew he was bad news. Maybe Source 1 told the suspect that KC could be trusted and convinced him to hand the drugs over. Looks like suspect was trusted also by GF and her parent as they left him alone in their apartment. Also, as I read the arrest affidavit it reads that KC was entered as a runaway the first night. Wonder why she wasn't listed as missing? I wonder what information LE received that first evening? Did LE see these text messages the first night?

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo, if not for some type of involvement with drugs, KC would likely still be alive. There is no good reason to to deny this information. Kids need to know how much danger they are exposing themselves to if they go this route, even casually.

To me, it is a shame to be less than open about tragedies like this, same with teen suicides, when knowledge and awareness can be of much more help to other young people. Jmo

 

[Deleted member 278]

Gosh Im having a hard time believing that he fronted her this drug. Im not sure of the relationship they had but he'd only been living there a short amount of time. Looks like Source 1 lived with him and knew he was bad news. Maybe Source 1 told the suspect that KC could be trusted and convinced him to hand the drugs over. Looks like suspect was trusted also by GF and her parent as they left him alone in their apartment. Also, as I read the arrest affidavit it reads that KC was entered as a runaway the first night. Wonder why she wasn't listed as missing? I wonder what information LE received that first evening? Did LE see these text messages the first night?

How did you come to the conclusion that Source 1 lived with him?

 

[Whiskers16]

How did you come to the conclusion that Source 1 lived with him?

in the affidavit it stated that perp used to live in the same household as Source1.

 

[Deleted member 278]

in the affidavit it stated that perp used to live in the same household as Source1.

Thanks. I thought poster meant that they currently lived with each other.

 

[Bently]

Also, concentrate is made from the trim, which has little to no value until it is processed.

Is " trim" what we used to (in the 70's) call shake?

:gaah: All these new words, but perhaps same stuff/improved version gets a new name?

I go back to the college days to nomenclature of old (70's/early 80's) and need a primer! (lol, we need an emoticon with a person walking with a cane!)

"4 finger bag" which had lots of stems and excelled if it had a bud or two in it! ( I excelled when I could say in math class that one ounce was approx. 28 grams :giggle
hash (now kinda sorta dabs are better)
MDA (now is called Ecstasy)

etc. etc.

Guess it's like corporate america... gotta improve the product, and give it a new name to show new and improved?

 

[jjenny]

"Fronting" someone drugs is not unusual with dealers. $300 is not a big deal to give someone on credit if you trust them. Most would give that much ($300 is an average price for a high quality ounce in a non-legal state) to someone who is selling because they know how easy it to move, it practically sells itself.

Because the goal was supposed processing to concentrates there was little risk for being ripped off.

TLDR: $300 is not very much to trust someone with when dealing with pot, in my experiences.

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What exactly would make the suspect think that K could actually make these dabs? Nobody described her as a chemistry whiz.
And $300 was supposedly just her payment for making the dabs, so the cost of the dabs was presumably much larger. Furthermore, the story doesn't add up in other ways. Supposedly she was supposed to meet the suspect to get the pot to make dabs, yet she run away. So presumably didn't get the pot. Yet an hour later she supposedly told the source she was going to get the money. What money, since according to the source, she didn't actually get the pot to make the dabs?

 

[katydid23]

The suspect is only 16, and yet he lives with his girlfriends family. And it was reported that he used to live in the same household as Source 1---but was kicked out for being bad influence on the younger kids.

It really sounds to me like Source 1 might be a stepbrother or half brother, mainly because of the age of the suspect. You cannot just move a young minor into your home without parental permission---and it makes more sense to me that he lived at home at 15 but was kicked out/or walked out, and then moved in with girlfriend.

And it would make more sense as to why Katelyn trusted the suspect---if her friend and business partner was pointing to a family member as their supplier.

But that is just a mix of speculation and rumor---not fact based.

 

[jjenny]

Gosh Im having a hard time believing that he fronted her this drug. Im not sure of the relationship they had but he'd only been living there a short amount of time. Looks like Source 1 lived with him and knew he was bad news. Maybe Source 1 told the suspect that KC could be trusted and convinced him to hand the drugs over. Looks like suspect was trusted also by GF and her parent as they left him alone in their apartment. Also, as I read the arrest affidavit it reads that KC was entered as a runaway the first night. Wonder why she wasn't listed as missing? I wonder what information LE received that first evening? Did LE see these text messages the first night?

What did they need KC for to begin with? If source 1 knew the suspect, what was the reason to get KC involved? Why did the suspect wanted KC to show up alone, considering the suspect knew source 1 (yet apparently didn't want source 1 there).

 

[katydid23]

What exactly would make the suspect think that K could actually make these dabs? Nobody described her as a chemistry whiz.
And $300 was supposedly just her payment for making the dabs, so the cost of the dabs was presumably much larger. Furthermore, the story doesn't add up in other ways. Supposedly she was supposed to meet the suspect to get the pot to make dabs, yet she run away. So presumably didn't get the pot. Yet an hour later she supposedly told the source she was going to get the money. What money, since according to the source, she didn't actually get the pot to make the dabs?

I am thinking that when she said ' I'm going to get the $'-----she may have meant she was going to get the product so they could get the money.

 

[katydid23]

What did they need KC for to begin with? If source 1 knew the suspect, what was the reason to get KC involved?

I think there was a falling out between the suspect and Source #1. The suspect had been living in same household as Source, but was asked to leave for being a 'bad influence' on the kids in the home.

So sounds like a family squabble to me. But Source knew that the suspect was dealing and so he told his friend K to do the deal with him, as a buffer?

Also, K's parents worked and were out of the apartment. I think Source needed a private place to do the processing.

 

[Peppery]

What exactly would make the suspect think that K could actually make these dabs? Nobody described her as a chemistry whiz.
And $300 was supposedly just her payment for making the dabs, so the cost of the dabs was presumably much larger. Furthermore, the story doesn't add up in other ways. Supposedly she was supposed to meet the suspect to get the pot to make dabs, yet she run away. So presumably didn't get the pot. Yet an hour later she supposedly told the source she was going to get the money. What money, since according to the source, she didn't actually get the pot to make the dabs?

We don't know if this was the first time she did this, with Source 1, the killer or with someone else. This (likely imo) could have been going on for a while. Maybe she was especially skilled at making dabs? Maybe she was so "good" that no one would ever suspect her, making her the perfect person to go undetected.

There are a lot of relationships we don't know yet.
KC to killer
KC to killers girlfriend
KC to source 1
Killer to source 1
Location of source 1's home where killer previously lived.
Where killer lived prior to staying with source 1.
What schools the three main players attended
Does using source 1 in the affidavit imply there is a source 2, 3, etc?


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[Deleted member 278]

One doesn't need to be a chemistry whiz in order to make dabs...

 

[leep]

Finding blood in the apartment doesn't mean its victim's blood. Blood by itself doesn't prove that victim was killed there, because it could be anybody's blood (in theory) until DNA verifies whose blood it is. They had to send blood for forensic testing.

But the affidavit states that it was KC's blood.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3985857/PC36785.pdf
I think Source1 isn't being fully truthful and is just telling a story that he thinks probably makes him not look as bad as the real truth would do.
In the U.K. You can get £300 worth of weed on trust easily if you smoke it all or don't pay it back the dealers not going to kill he's just going to work out a payment plan with you and if you don't pay it back you might get a beating but murder no way not for weed the perp obviously has a nasty temper and was always going to be a murderer one day.


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[Vail]

Clarifying a few facts:

1. We don't actually know what the motive or circumstances were. It could be totally unrelated to the events of that afternoon, to drugs or to money. For example, perhaps he tried to rape her and she fought back?

2. The intent was never to sell her $300 worth of pot. The story according to Source 1 is that they would be paid $300 for dabs made from marijuana the perp would give her. This is not an unusual transaction, it only has unusual players.

3. Dabs do not take any special skills or chemicals to make, it is just tedious to get right and time consuming to prepare. You can do it with a fireplace lighter and a sheet of tin foil, and the very helpful YouTube even has tutorials to show you how.

4. There is nothing to indicate Kaytlynn was into drugs. She had reportedly been smoking marijuana with some friends. I personally do not categorize that alongside dropping mollies or doing heroin, or even drinking jello shots, so imo she was a normal kid. I'd say sneaking out to get drunk when I was 14 was far worse than K smoking a joint on her own couch.

5. There is nothing to indicate the deal was made, that K got the weed, or the money.

6. The entire story of the deal and its details is hearsay from Source 1, with the only hard evidence being phone pings and a text message between perp and K.

7. K was brutally murdered to death with a hammer. This is not an OD or tox report suspense as far as we know right now.

Hopefully this helps put the focus back on the questions these leaves us, which is why did he do it and how much time will he get for it?

 

[faw720]

The suspect is only 16, and yet he lives with his girlfriends family. And it was reported that he used to live in the same household as Source 1---but was kicked out for being bad influence on the younger kids.

It really sounds to me like Source 1 might be a stepbrother or half brother, mainly because of the age of the suspect. You cannot just move a young minor into your home without parental permission---and it makes more sense to me that he lived at home at 15 but was kicked out/or walked out, and then moved in with girlfriend.

And it would make more sense as to why Katelyn trusted the suspect---if her friend and business partner was pointing to a family member as their supplier.

But that is just a mix of speculation and rumor---not fact based.

We don't know if the suspect's parents are even in the picture. So far as I know, there has been no mention of them. Perhaps the suspect just drifted around from family (uncle) or friends.