Found Deceased TX - Kaytlynn Cargill, 14, Bedford, 19 June 2017 #3 *Arrest*

[ninij9]

not for nothing. but my step son has traded things for cash since about that age. not drugs thankfully, but he "shops" fb marketplace for items that he can trade for something better or cash. he always meets in public. he has traded replica designer belts, air soft guns, shoes, you name it.

its very sad that a kid is trading or selling weed and getting killed but the trading thing is common.

Trading and selling stuff online or otherwise has little to do with manufacturing drugs. Jmo.

Kids want to make money at 14? Do what my daughter did Babysit, mow lawns, etc.

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[cvaldez1975]

it is smelly but an open window and some febreze will get rid of it quick. also tmaybe they vape.

The affidavit says Kaytlynn and Source 1 were smoking marijuana in Kaytlynn's apartment. Is there something that will cover up the smell? I assumed it was not an easy odor to get rid of. (This doesn't have anything to do with her death, I am just curious.)

 

[borndem]

yes, to hear what he's concocted.. if he's dumb enuf to take it to trial and alot of criminals do seem to like going to trial. Hopefully he's tried as an adult and execution is on the table..so the DA offers him a choice, life without or risk it at trial. <modsnip>

In 2005, the US Supreme Court decided that execution of anyone who commits a crime who is under the age of 18 at the time of the crime will not be eligible for execution. IIRC, the suspect was 17 -- but I could certainly be mistaken.

The Supreme Court on Tuesday abolished the death penalty for convicted killers who committed their crimes before the age of 18. The court ruling, closely divided at 5-to-4, affects 72 people in 20 states. The practice will also be banned for any future crimes.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4518051

 

[cvaldez1975]

im w you. so many are aghast anyone could suggest it, but its waaaaaay common, sadly.

This is absolutely horrific! I'm so sorry she went through this. What a sick, sick person who did this.

Side note: I always say that you can never assume kids don't do drugs. Their grades, looks, background, etc., are irrelevant. Kids experiment, so I am usually hesitant to rule drug use out. No matter what she did NOT deserve this!! I hope justifice is swift and harsh.

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[jjenny]

Remember, back at the very start, there was talk that she was ' visiting with friends ' and so was not abducted etc. I wonder if Source1 was the source of that rumor that she was hanging with friends?

She wasn't abducted. Apparently she quite voluntarily went to see the suspect, if source 1 is to be believed.

 

[jjenny]

I didn't know that. Why? I don't believe in capital punishment anyway, but just wondered why not.

Because he is a minor, even if he is tried as an adult, he won't be eligible for the death penalty.

 

[cvaldez1975]

that was my 19 year old. some kids are just that way. my almost 23 year old turned out well.

My 14 yr old spoiled niece just recently returned from a 2 wk behavioral boot camp where the focus was about *consequences*.

Within 2 weeks of her return, she was back to her horrid self; sad to say. I think she needs more like a 2 year bootcamp but it's a touchy subject in the family & I don't feel comfortable saying much.

 

[faw720]

It's possible to learn something new every day. Not that the law is new, but it's just something I need to store in my memory bank.

 

[cvaldez1975]

the OP wasn't damning her? her point was it doesn't matter what she was doing, she didn't deserve this.

Sorry, but I can't agree with you at this time. If it comes out in the trial that Kaytlynn was a long time drug dealer and/or user, I'll agree with you then. There is nothing that has been revealed thus far to suggest that she was anything other than an innocent victim of a conniving killer. Naive & a bit greedy, yes, but what teenager on earth wouldn't want $300.00? Let's don't damn her until we know the full story.

 

[kaen]

the OP wasn't damning her? her point was it doesn't matter what she was doing, she didn't deserve this.

That is what I was meaning. Regardless of the level of her drug dealing activity or anyone's drug dealing activity, they don't deserve to be killed.

 

[katydid23]

She wasn't abducted. Apparently she quite voluntarily went to see the suspect, if source 1 is to be believed.

But it turns into kidnapping when she is no longer free to leave the death trap apartment.

 

[cvaldez1975]

i wonder whether the police know the facts but wrote it this way because source 1 was offered immunity for truthful info?

It'll be interesting to see just how involved she was, based on the evidence and not just source 1.
I'm not real sure about source 1 sending her because he didn't want to go. That seems odd.
I wonder if it's possible that source 1 is trying to downplay their involvement.
Since they are alive and able to be charged... and Kaytlynn is not.

It just seems the roles of Source 1 and Kaytlynn being reversed would make more logical sense right?
Since it seems Source 1 knew the suspect much better than Kaytlynn did.
Obviously the police know more, I'm just curious how much of source 1's story is backed by evidence.
Of course this will never actually make sense that she was killed... so maybe it doesn't really matter.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I think the Reagan just say no sort of gave narcos more leverage in their international smuggling which is bloody and super dangerous. this also has danger as well. I wonder if this was a lesser of two evils sort of thing.

Singularity, thanks for taking the time to articulate your well written posts in #691 and #701. I concur with all you've written and had similar experiences in the late 80's. It's a miracle I didn't end up dead or in the penitentiary given all the extremely dangerous situations my naivety led me into.

I'd also join you in again re-iterating that teens need to understand they can wreck their lives in an instant if they choose to go down the path of drugs. And that doesn't even include the long term psychological effects, wasted money and lost productivity.

Nancy Reagan seemed to be a huge square with her Say No campaign but she was indeed correct. I would hope that any teens reading this will take her message and Kaytlynn's example to heart. It's not a joke.

 

[cvaldez1975]

you can make it with a chi hair straightener and wax paper.

As far as I can tell, she hasn't actually made any dabs. According to the article I posted above, dab making is a rather complicated process, involving solvents, bongs and blow torches, and could be dangerous. What exactly would have made the suspect think she was a good choice for dab making?

 

[cvaldez1975]

known as a duffle bag boy (or girl)

It seems to me that source 1 maybe made the dabs after K had already been given the original weed to pass on to source 1 and then delivered it back to pick up the money, or wanted the money prior to delivering the dabs back. Using innocents like that seems to me what these drug dealers do to prevent being seen on the streets. I bet it happens a lot. Source 1 was involved to my mind.

 

[cvaldez1975]

LE have more of an eye for things. maybe the apt wasn't the tidiest in the first place and the spatter was small. LE searching for a missing girl would notice this.

Umm.. where were this kids parents? Blood splatter all over, there's no way he cleaned up enough for them not notice.. how do you explain that?

 

[cvaldez1975]

nothing wrong w being old school. but I think listening to every conversation is a bit much. kids will make mistakes and they need to know how to conduct themselves when reaching adulthood without mom and dad controlling every narrative. but to each their own.

Now days you don't have a choice. My eldest son lives in DFW area and they have two younger children. Most might consider them "helicopter parents" but they don't allow unacceptable behavior and control where and when their children go. This is a much crazier world then when we raised our children. I really feel for parents raising children now. Not only is the peer pressure great, but the commercial marketing and movie/television programming is outrageously bad. We have 11 grandchildren and their parents greatly restrict television and movie viewing and most group gatherings are at our place (large enough) in an attempt to control actions and conversational material. School is another story. I don't think you can be careful enough. My oldest mentioned to us the other day that " Mom and dad, the older I get the smarter you guys become". We are definitely "old school".

 

[cvaldez1975]

i need to read this again. but I got the impression that source 1 was explaining the plan, not saying it had or hadn't happened. its possible that maybe she got the shake the previous day and had delivered the dabs, and then suspect saw source 1 and told her to get lost without paying her, and she returned later trying to get her money.

What exactly would make the suspect think that K could actually make these dabs? Nobody described her as a chemistry whiz.
And $300 was supposedly just her payment for making the dabs, so the cost of the dabs was presumably much larger. Furthermore, the story doesn't add up in other ways. Supposedly she was supposed to meet the suspect to get the pot to make dabs, yet she run away. So presumably didn't get the pot. Yet an hour later she supposedly told the source she was going to get the money. What money, since according to the source, she didn't actually get the pot to make the dabs?

 

[Vail]

I'm sorry to harp on this again but making dabs is not the same as manufacturing drugs. They are not anything to do with narcos or cartels or the kind of drugs that actually kill people who use them such as meth, heroin, alcohol and cocaine.

Marijuana is on its way to being legal in Europe and will be legal in Texas before you know it. Once it is, will you look back at the circumstances alleged in this case and think of it the same way? The only possible thing that makes marijuana at all relevant to this poor girl's brutal murder is its alleged use as a lure to get her into the perp's apartment.

As someone that lives in a place where marijuana is legal and applauded for curing and treating a variety of ailments, it is mildly offensive to see some folks continually villianizing it and reacting out of fear or ignorance of what it is even though the mods have asked us to move on and dabs (or hash oil) explained multiple times. While we all respect and seek the idea of justice in the world, that does not mean we have to blindly label things a certain way just because the US tries to position it as an evil to maintain leverage over its border countries and indigenous communities that would profit from its legalization.

/rant

 

[cvaldez1975]

time consuming. poor fine motor skills. lazy. networking to increase client base. could be anything.

They why wouldn't the suspect just do it himself?