TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

[deca]

I wonder if SS has "solved" this case already. I mean, would they even bother to update any sites?

Also- she could be from South America or Central America in the country illegally.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Solved cases are ususally removed from NamUs pretty quickly.

 

[ClaireNC]

I wonder if SS has "solved" this case already. I mean, would they even bother to update any sites?

Also- she could be from South America or Central America in the country illegally.

I thought the same thing about possibly being in the country illegally. I wonder if she had an accent.

 

[mayqueen]

I'm not sure where else to look. I don't think we can take anything in the obituary at face value. LEK is probably not her real name, the birthdate in the obit probably isn't her real birthdate, and she may not have ever lived in Scottsdale. JMO. :banghead:

Ideas, anyone?

ETA: I tried to verify that she at least went to UTA, but wasn't able to. Their alumni list is apparently only available to alumni.

 

[mayqueen]

I wonder if SS has "solved" this case already. I mean, would they even bother to update any sites?

Also- she could be from South America or Central America in the country illegally.

Given the staggering amount of fraud the SSA apparently has to deal with, I doubt they've expended much time investigating her. I just don't think they have the resources and manpower. :twocents:

 

[annemc2]

I'm not sure where else to look. I don't think we can take anything in the obituary at face value. LEK is probably not her real name, the birthdate in the obit probably isn't her real birthdate, and she may not have ever lived in Scottsdale. JMO. :banghead:

Ideas, anyone?

ETA: I tried to verify that she at least went to UTA, but wasn't able to. Their alumni list is apparently only available to alumni.

I have been *trying* to get my sister to check alumni records. I will bug her again. FWIW, she isn't in the UTA magazine's "In Memoriam" list as far as I could find.

As far as being from another country, I think she would have stood out like a sore thumb (especially in East Tx) with any kind of accent - Canadian, Northeastern US, Mexican, South American. The "LEK" would have been very suspect if she had, say, a Spanish speaker's accent.

 

[Sulamith]

I'm not sure where else to look. I don't think we can take anything in the obituary at face value. LEK is probably not her real name, the birthdate in the obit probably isn't her real birthdate, and she may not have ever lived in Scottsdale. JMO. :banghead:

Ideas, anyone?

ETA: I tried to verify that she at least went to UTA, but wasn't able to. Their alumni list is apparently only available to alumni.

I don't have any ideas but it is possible the marriage date is incorrect also. If the family had legal connections anything is possible.

My ex-father-in-law was a Texas District Judge. Way back in the 70's I was living with his son and I became pregnant, still lived together but never married. Of course, this looked really bad and not becoming of a Judge's son to be living in sin. The Judge drew up marriage papers and we signed them to make him happy, but the thing was, he fudged on the paperwork to show that we were married at least a year before we actually signed the papers. To save face, to show his grandson was not a .

I never looked at what I was signing and I am not even sure we received a copy. Hey it was the 70's and I have since grown up. I only found about this "fraud" rather recently when I was Googling myself!

So at this point, I don't trust any government entities.

 

[Sulamith]

I have been *trying* to get my sister to check alumni records. I will bug her again. FWIW, she isn't in the UTA magazine's "In Memoriam" list as far as I could find.

As far as being from another country, I think she would have stood out like a sore thumb (especially in East Tx) with any kind of accent - Canadian, Northeastern US, Mexican, South American. The "LEK" would have been very suspect if she had, say, a Spanish speaker's accent.

I live in a small town in East Texas and I agree, anyone with an accent will stand out and will probably be questioned as to where they come from and why did they move here and are you related to so and so. I know we were questioned when we moved here and we don't have accents, just from Southern California.

 

[deca]

She could have been someone from another country - but had no accent. I meet people all the time that aren't from the US but have no accent. So I guess it depends.

So I guess she could be anyone, from anywhere and almost any age. :banghead:

I think it is most likely she is from the US. And most likely from the southwestern/western US. Most likely running from a criminal past and most likely not a REALLY BAD criminal past . Bad enough that she wanted a clean slate but not so bad that she had a lot of people looking for her. (if she had run from an abusive situation I think she would have admitted it to her husband or friend at some point as that would be a sympathetic situation)

MOO as usual. I don't know if all the above is true in her case, I just think it is the most likely.

 

[CherBearSTL]

I'm wondering if she could be a Nyleen Marshall type scenario. She was kidnapped as a child, abused/raised be her abductor, turned 18 and then ran away and changed her identity.
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/marshall_nyleen.html

 

[Cymro]

I've raised that; although I wonder if she would need to change her identity so much as just cut off contact with her family.

For instance, she may have used her "real" ID - but it was also the ID of a child who'd died as a baby (although I can't match those details to anyone in SSDI), or they could have found after she died that there was no birth record for this ID and they had given an SSN based on a school registration or forged documents.

 

[CherBearSTL]

I've raised that; although I wonder if she would need to change her identity so much as just cut off contact with her family.

For instance, she may have used her "real" ID - but it was also the ID of a child who'd died as a baby (although I can't match those details to anyone in SSDI), or they could have found after she died that there was no birth record for this ID and they had given an SSN based on a school registration or forged documents.

Well said! This is a very viable scenario.

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[deca]

I've raised that; although I wonder if she would need to change her identity so much as just cut off contact with her family.

For instance, she may have used her "real" ID - but it was also the ID of a child who'd died as a baby (although I can't match those details to anyone in SSDI), or they could have found after she died that there was no birth record for this ID and they had given an SSN based on a school registration or forged documents.

But upthread someone said that she applied for her SS# at age 18 IIRC. So for this scenario, she would have to have a birth certificate (forged or stolen) which her abductor gave her? If she didn't have one, she would have to supply her (stolen id) birth hospital with the name of her parents and other details to get a copy and it seems that she would realize something was strange with that.

For those kids born at home and who can't provide a birth certificate there is a lengthy process including face to face interviews, religious docs, whatever because you need to prove that you were born in this country. So I don't think this is the route she would have gone.

 

[Cymro]

Okay... so we do know her SSN was issued in 1988.

I am not American so I've never applied for an SSN, but if she did get one and it was not linked to her real birth details, what possibilities are there:

1. Abducted child, given fake identity (maybe matching birth parents);

2. Young adult creates her own ID from scratch;

3. Young adult uses someone else's ID, knowing that it is unlikely to be used again (or perhaps not) - from someone who had died, emigrated, or otherwise.

Whatever option she chooses, that works (apparently) for 22 years, and maybe would have continued to work had she not killed herself.

I don't know which of those is most likely. If we knew how the "fraud" was identified, we'd be in a better place to look for a genuine ID to link it to.

 

[buffetoflies]

I looked up LR on another site (http://www.people-finders.ws) and she had Possible Employment / Business Associations of CANTEBRIA CROSSING, operators of Apartment Buildings. Also listed previous locations of :
BEDFORD, TX
LEONARD, TX
CARROLLTON, TX
FORT WORTH, TX
DALLAS, TX
EULESS, TX
IRVING, TX

I also searched her on texas court case records sites:http://www.courtreference.com/Texas-Court-Search-Records.htm

So far nothing for her in Gregg county. Her husband JR got a seatbelt ticket in 2001.

Searched in Dallas county because obit said she moved there in '87. There is a record of an LK being a plaintiff in a civil case in '91.

Well, searching in those other cities for both the K and R surnames is going to take a little time so I'm going to post now

Oh oh oh! LR & JR were getting DIVORCED. Fannin County court search. I think (if I'm reading right) it was initially filed in august of 2010. JR was the petitioner i.e. he's the one who wanted it. Also, LR was served with something on 12/20/2010. civil/family case.

Furthermore, in JR had an ASSAULT charge that was filed in september of 2010. Fannin cnty criminal cases.

K, I did the rest and nothing came up. Except for Tarrant county b/c that was a pay for service deal, and I don't roll like that.

So, allow me to hypothesize:
Her husband filed for divorce and custody of the child so she kills herself b/c her whole family is breaking apart, the only family she has really ever had, so she kills herself. Sounds plausible to me!

 

[CherBearSTL]

I looked up LR on another site (http://www.people-finders.ws) and she had Possible Employment / Business Associations of CANTEBRIA CROSSING, operators of Apartment Buildings. Also listed previous locations of :
BEDFORD, TX
LEONARD, TX
CARROLLTON, TX
FORT WORTH, TX
DALLAS, TX
EULESS, TX
IRVING, TX

I also searched her on texas court case records sites:http://www.courtreference.com/Texas-Court-Search-Records.htm

So far nothing for her in Gregg county. Her husband JR got a seatbelt ticket in 2001.

Searched in Dallas county because obit said she moved there in '87. There is a record of an LK being a plaintiff in a civil case in '91.

Well, searching in those other cities for both the K and R surnames is going to take a little time so I'm going to post now

Oh oh oh! LR & JR were getting DIVORCED. Fannin County court search. I think (if I'm reading right) it was initially filed in august of 2010. JR was the petitioner i.e. he's the one who wanted it. Also, LR was served with something on 12/20/2010. civil/family case.

Furthermore, in JR had an ASSAULT charge that was filed in september of 2010. Fannin cnty criminal cases.

K, I did the rest and nothing came up. Except for Tarrant county b/c that was a pay for service deal, and I don't roll like that.

So, allow me to hypothesize:
Her husband filed for divorce and custody of the child so she kills herself b/c her whole family is breaking apart, the only family she has really ever had, so she kills herself. Sounds plausible to me!

Wow! Interesting stuff.

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[deca]

Whoa. Well that explains her reason for her death. Was she that afraid of losing custody? Or she felt that she couldn't fight for her child without exposing herself? What a sad case. I feel bad for her child.

 

[Cymro]

It sounds tragically plausible, but also something of an overreaction.

If she'd been the plaintiff in a Court case once before, she clearly didn't avoid all unnecessary contact with officialdom. Secondly, if he was the one with the assault charge against him, it seems like she'd have quite a strong custody case - so not one that she would have necessarily expected to lose without a fight.

So... if she got served, was there something else in those papers that might indicate she had something so powerful in the case against her that it provoked her to walk away from the fight by killing herself?

 

[buffetoflies]

I was thinking about those things last night cymro. The plaintiff case didn't have a middle initial for the LK. I think that might be an LAK. I'm going to google the company the case was against in a bit and see if anything else comes up. K, I don't think that was LEK. Someone else can look it up and search it though if they want to.

Also, last night for some reason I didn't look up dallas criminal records. Maybe I thought it was pay for service?

Anyway, I didn't until just now, and there a LEK that comes up. It is for a speeding ticket in 1992. Looks like the charge was dismissed? I think dismissed after serving 30 days of probation? The page is really confusing. Do ya'll think the namus pic is from a DL? I thought maybe mug shot but she's smiling pretty...

I looked again, at the assault case for JR, and it was dismissed in April of 2011, so I don't think the assault was against LR, but I do think the guy is her husband.

I was also thinking about just how big she is. Her fingers in the award pic look sooo thin and long. Kinda makes me think she might have some sort of genetic syndrome.

 

[Cymro]

The "real" LK would have been a few years younger than our LK, assuming the DoB is more or less real. But looking at those yearbooks would be very useful to see if there is a visual match there.