TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #2

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  • #121
And the longer this goes on without a resolution, the more I'm inclined to think that the family doesn't want to know, or already knows and doesn't want anyone else to find out...

IMO!!!

i agree. imo the best theory is usually the simplest and the simplest thing i can come up with is she had some kind of mental illness that caused her to have an irrational fear or paranoia which precipitated the name change. i think there's a good chance the ruffs either know who she was or know enough to know that there's nothing horrible in her past.

that said, i'd still like to know the truth. it's amazing in this day and age of fast technology where we basically have every facet of our lives recorded, that someone can be unidentified for this long. she only died a few years ago, we have tons of pictures of her from a younger age up until a few years ago and yet not one person has come forward to say they knew her before texas. bizarre, but that's how these things go i guess.
 
  • #122
I also get the feeling that the family don't want anything more to do with her story :/
 
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  • #124
I've probably lost track of it somewhere within all the reading.. but when was her passport issued? Did she ever use it for travel purposes and if so, where did she go? Is it possible she obtained one to simply help in further establishing her identification?
 
  • #125
I don't think it has been revealed whether the State Department shows that her passport was ever logged in/out. She claimed to be visiting London and Germany in March 1990. If she did take that trip it would be good to know the names of the people who traveled with her. If she traveled with an organized group that she bought into, it's probably another dead end. If she traveled alone it would just be another element of mystery.
 
  • #126
This case has not been given enough publicity. Not only should somebody recognize her, there should be a middle school or high school yearbook with her photo in it. She could only escape that if she were home-schooled her entire life. No pediatrician who remembers seeing her annually? Aside from fellow students, there are no summer camps, youth league, girl scouts or church members who would recognize her? She kept no photos of her from her own youth? No previous co-workers remember her? No happy hours? She never worked fast food, ice cream stands, babysat in her neighborhood, went to school dances/proms or dated anyone during her high school years? Who helped her obtain the Idaho driver's license? She had to take a test for that license, so whose car did she use? Who lived in the neighborhood of that address in Idaho? If she were using a false address, she had to be reasonably close by in order to pickup mail at that house during the middle of the day when nobody was watching.

If she only held a job for a month at a time so that she couldn't have any entanglements, how could she have sufficiently saved any money? How did she develop any skills that would get her a successive number of jobs with little inquiry? She was a charlatan on her resume and during interviews? Wouldn't someone have done a background check, or wouldn't the SSA know about all of her past jobs due to employers charging against her SSN? She could only hold jobs where employers didn't ask for her SSN, which would be constant temporary employment. Any employer I had from 1984 onward all demanded a SSN and a birth certificate. If she constantly moved from employer to employer, wouldn't there be more and more people who could offer a chance to recognize her?

Either this case has not had sufficient publicity or she was hatched from under a rock in 1987. It would be far more interesting to have her face on television every evening for a week than some of the other pointless "news" items that are typically broadcast.
 
  • #127
I don't think it has been revealed whether the State Department shows that her passport was ever logged in/out. She claimed to be visiting London and Germany in March 1990. If she did take that trip it would be good to know the names of the people who traveled with her. If she traveled with an organized group that she bought into, it's probably another dead end. If she traveled alone it would just be another element of mystery.

I'd wondered primarily due to this:

My very first ever identification card and driver's license were issued in Illinois. I left state and came back just two months after getting my driver's license elsewhere. Of course, being young and dumb I just hung on til it expired. When I went to get one here in Illinois again, my expired driver's license from another state was not accepted as a form of identification. However, they would accept a debit card, credit card, current utility bill in my name, voter's registration card, or current passport.

I ended up having to apply for a voter's registration card, get it in the mail, and then I was able to get an ID card here. Expired identification, social security card, birth certificate weren't enough to satisfy the state.

So.. kinda wondered if she didn't have a passport for similar reasons..
 
  • #128
This case has not been given enough publicity.
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Either this case has not had sufficient publicity or she was hatched from under a rock in 1987. It would be far more interesting to have her face on television every evening for a week than some of the other pointless "news" items that are typically broadcast.

I agree, this case definitely needs more publicity. The story ran in a few newspapers last June/July, but the local Texas newspapers did not run it. It would be great if we could get it on national TV.
 
  • #129
Has anyone considered that she might be from Canada? Her first document is an Idaho driver's license. She may have crossed the border and began the work to assume a different identity. Her love of going for tea makes me think she has some kind of British connection.

Love a good mystery but like a good book I need an extra clue every once in a while. Not likely to happen in this case.
 
  • #130
Has anyone considered that she might be from Canada? Her first document is an Idaho driver's license. She may have crossed the border and began the work to assume a different identity. Her love of going for tea makes me think she has some kind of British connection.

Love a good mystery but like a good book I need an extra clue every once in a while. Not likely to happen in this case.

Yes we have discussed the possibility of her coming from Canada. We followed up on several leads in that direction, but did not really come to any conclusions.
 
  • #131
Does anyone know LEK's true height? I noticed that her Idaho DL and her Texas DL listed 5' 6" and 5'10" respectively. I wonder if this was an "ask your height" vs. "actually measuring height" issue, an issue of the type of shoes that she may have been wearing. I'm just curious how the discrepancy of height came about...

Who else noticed?


While I have given a bit of info re: Synanon and their finally released FBI files, I think I need to say that I do not really believe that Mrs. Ruff ( whoever she was) was hiding either a " bad" childhood or a " bad family"

Maybe one generation ago she would have needed to cover up her ancestry or beginnings in life to be accepted in society but this is not true of any of us living today.
A person makes their OWN way in society, or fails to in our generation (s).
Obviously, Mrs. Ruff considered her efforts to succeed and belong to be a failure to commit suicide and leave a young child behind.

IMO, with my experience and degree in psychology, she was hiding her own failings, probably something criminal in nature committed in her youth. We can pretty much estimate the high end of her age when her daughter was born as 45.. women usually don't carry pregnancies past this age, within a year or two of 45.
Half her normal lifespan had been lived when she married into the Ruff family.
This leaves quite a lot of years for personal " failures" or possible criminal acts to take place.
IF she was OCD, she was likely a perfectionist. Past wrong doings would seem huge, monumental, they most likely mattered most to her personally.

The only things we know about her which are " off the beaten path" legally are the stripper work in Dallas.. and before that, the ID theft.
It has been put forth that she had a benefactor or other adult helping with the Becky Sue Turner ID theft and switch to the Kennedy last name. This may or may not be true.
I think a very smart young person could have gotten BST's BC if they were of a duplicitous and criminal nature to begin with, without any help from another person. Palladin Press published MANY softcover, short books on " How To Change ID", "How to Rob Banks", " How to Kill Without a Trace". " Hitman" being their most infamous book of all and the how- to criminal book which finally put them out of business. Their story of criminally themed books is a whole other subject unto itself, and it is fascinating.
Anyway, the books were not " deep reading". They provided a step by step guide that anyone needing or wanting to do a certain criminal activity could follow. A girl who had done something criminal who read one of the Palladin Press books or a similar book on changing ID illegally could have followed the steps and done it.

The books gave every step in the process. It didn't used to be complicated to do, and the younger a person was when asking for a " replacement BC" the easier time they had getting one.

I don't see anything overly smart or overly complicated in what she did. It's the WHY that I diverge from most of the group on. I think everything she did was to protect herself and only herself.

I think she had plastic surgery at an early age, probably around 21.
I don't think she was from a " criminal" family or an undocumented birth from a LDS splinter group, I think she needed to change her ID and her appearance because she did something really bad that she needed to cover up and get away from- committed a crime or crimes early in life, and possibly kept on being in the fringes of a criminal element until she met the Ruff guy and decided to settle down, or was somehow at the end of the line with running, and he was her last hope for anonymity; for her sanctuary from prosecution.

I don't think most posters here think of her as an almost lifelong criminal, but our society does NOT punish children for the sins of the parents.
I do NOT believe anything she did pertained to paternal or maternal relatives.
Boyfriend/ husband/ ex- husband, possibly, if she was an accomplice.

I'd look at crimes committed by pre-teens, young teens, a young couple if I really wanted to know who she was or why she was on the run. Personally, I don't think we will ever know because I doubt it was a nationally known wrong- doing or crime. And IMO, she absolutely was always on the run, in the end, unable to go any further. When the Ruff marriage fell apart, and her mental stability crumbled, this is proof to me that the Ruffs were her very last refuge from whatever it is that she had done.. which apparently had no statue of limitations.. or the SOL had not yet run out, or guilt caused her to take her own life, not sure which. The AGE of her daughter at the time of her decompensating might be significant, as young people often hurt or accidentally kill children younger than they are.

She was afraid of HER own personal actions in the past being found out. She was not running from anyone else's wrongdoing such as parents being shady or cultish. I am almost 100% sure of this. I mean no harm to a deceased person by saying this, and I wish she could have found someone to help her before she jumped off the train of life. Almost anything can be magnified in a guilty person's mind, and I think her guilt was overwhelming. Hence the OCD symptoms-- she was trying to focus when her inner voices were so strong that they drowned out rational thought processes. She seemed OCD when she was trying to block out the "bad stuff". I've seen it many times in therapy with overwhelmed people.

One last thing- being 5'10'' with a gene marker for heart disease does not mean she had Marfan syndrome. I don't think she had Marfan's. Peaches Geldolf said she had the genetic marker for heart disease, Lisa Marie Presley has it, probably half of us reading on WS do. It is not synonymous with the heart changes seen in Marfan's which are related to the connective tissue abnormalities with Marfan's.

Maybe this is a group of posters on the short side investigating Lori Ruff, but at 5'9'' and with long thin fingers myself ( my bio. father is 6'5'' and again, no Marfan's) so I don't see any red flags with her height. If I saw acromegaly or other bone/ joint/ connective tissue abnormalities, then.. maybe.. but she didn't have acromegaly.
 
  • #132
That is a good question about the DL height discrepancy. I don't know if any state actually measures your height. I have had DL in 2 states and both just asked my height and weight. They are both wrong, by the way. For some reason I always thought I was an inch taller than I am, and I never changed my weight from the 118 it was from my first license. (Does anybody? haha) Even if we knew the height of other people in photos with her, unless we knew if her shoes were flats or heels, we still couldn't really do a comparison.

Family members often get a person's height wrong. Most people think I'm about 5'9" and I'm only 5'5". Plus people tend to judge the height of others based on how tall they think themselves are. If they consider themselves tall, and you are of similar height, they will guess your height to be about the same as theirs, for example.
 
  • #133
That is a good question about the DL height discrepancy. I don't know if any state actually measures your height. I have had DL in 2 states and both just asked my height and weight. They are both wrong, by the way. For some reason I always thought I was an inch taller than I am, and I never changed my weight from the 118 it was from my first license. (Does anybody? haha) Even if we knew the height of other people in photos with her, unless we knew if her shoes were flats or heels, we still couldn't really do a comparison.

Family members often get a person's height wrong. Most people think I'm about 5'9" and I'm only 5'5". Plus people tend to judge the height of others based on how tall they think themselves are. If they consider themselves tall, and you are of similar height, they will guess your height to be about the same as theirs, for example.

There are photos of her at a business women's meeting in this thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215655&page=2

In the pictures you can clearly see that she is much taller than any other of the women at the meeting. She is also proportionately large compared to the other women, so the height fits with her body size. In one of the pictures you can see her shoes and she is wearing small heels, maybe about an inch high.

The Idaho ID appears to be just simply wrong. Either intentionally or somebody made a typing error.
 
  • #134
And the longer this goes on without a resolution, the more I'm inclined to think that the family doesn't want to know, or already knows and doesn't want anyone else to find out...

IMO!!!

I firmly believe the Ruff family knows who she was by now. Wealthy people leave nothing to chance, IMO. They would want to protect their granddaughter from any harm stemming from her mother's identity later on. I believe the Ruff family has covered all bases.

I think the Ruff family wanted this person's identity swept under the rug and all of the drama ended for their sake as well as their granddaughters.

The detective from Social Security most likely knows exactly who 'Lori Ruff' was and will never speak of it because it has effectively been swept under the rug there as well. SS has moved on to bigger fish to catch, IMO.

Having stated that, I do think we are owed an update because the public was asked for help in the identification of LK.

MOO
 
  • #135
She really does look very tall in those photos, taller than the average women, so I agree the 5'6" height has to be wrong. I remember earlier in the thread she bragged of having been a hand model, and she has quite large hands.

I agree that it's possible the family knows her true identity by now. Maybe the truth was sordid/criminal and they don't want to make it public. Curious about it as we all are, maybe that's best for her daughter. I'm sure the family wouldn't want other kids talking about it in school, or having the neighbors gossiping about it.
 
  • #136
I agree that it's possible the family knows her true identity by now. Maybe the truth was sordid/criminal and they don't want to make it public. Curious about it as we all are, maybe that's best for her daughter. I'm sure the family wouldn't want other kids talking about it in school, or having the neighbors gossiping about it.

Oh, I expect that people in the area talk about, perhaps less then we do!

Could be to the family's advantage to release a plausible and bland story to hush some of that talk. Some of it!
 
  • #137
She is still listed as unidentified on NamUS. They added another "ruled out" - Denise Sheehy - sometime in the past few months. I think the case is still open.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9863
 
  • #138
Oh, I expect that people in the area talk about, perhaps less then we do!

Could be to the family's advantage to release a plausible and bland story to hush some of that talk. Some of it!

Here I go again but I just think wrong, I have tons of friends in east Tx and have questioned ALL of them about FLEK not ONE single one of them had heard anything about this , my friend in longview's Mother that sits at home and watches news all the time didnt know either!:facepalm::twocents:
 
  • #139
Here I go again but I just think wrong, I have tons of friends in east Tx and have questioned ALL of them about FLEK not ONE single one of them had heard anything about this , my friend in longview's Mother that sits at home and watches news all the time didnt know either!:facepalm::twocents:

Well that explains a lot. I have endlessly puzzled over the fact that hardly anyone had come forward to say that they has recognised her. Even with the theories that she may have had surgery, grown up in a cult etc, it just made no sense to me.

Now I realise that it is just because people haven't heard her story.

Remember the announcement that FLEK wouldn't allow her MIL to put into the local paper? She didn't do that for no reason. There is at least one person who may have seen her face in that paper, who FLEK wanted to avoid. Who? Why?
 
  • #140
Has anyone checked Topix for Longview??? Willing to start a thread there & see what develops?

If I'm not supposed to mention that, sorry, but I check the local Topix now & then....

Heck, have we even touched base with the Texas Business Women group?

ETA: Okay, I looked, there is nothing on Topix right now, it sure would be interesting to see if other locals will post anything useful.
 
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