TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #3

[BigCityAccountant]

Just bringing this post from Feb forward as it links to BigCA's post above.

I'm not at all familiar with these systems, but are basically saying a Lori Kennedy lived at the same address as a "Terry" Turner? Are there dates for when they both lived there? Albeit in different apartments. Could it just be coincidence with Turner being a fairly common name?

I'm not sure if there is a relation or not--thought I would throw it out there though. I found it odd that a Roger Kent Turner lived there, but I haven't found a connection to the Roger "Terry" Turner in CA. Was hoping someone else could help out. It may very well be a coincidence.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Another false identity case, if anyone is interested. ..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303767

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[fred&edna]

Another false identity case, if anyone is interested. ..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303767

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I seem to be a little preoccupied with these cases lately

 

[Sherwood Park]

Another thought.. Either the information request was not fully honored or Velling did not investigate or interview much. When I was an agent , to my great annoyance, I had to write a written memo to the case file for EVERYTHING. If I drove by a house that was part of the case I had to make a memo. If I intervie need anyone... Memo. If I took a call or got a lead... Memo. If I had a dream about it... Well I am sure they wanted a memo, haha.. What I am getting at is there are HUGE gaps of information I that release. There would be notes on the Idaho ID, on the interview of the family in Idaho, on the PO box in Nevada, on the boyfriend. I see NONE of that an honestly those would be very informative. Any ideas ?


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"What I am getting at is there are HUGE gaps of information I that release. "
I agree with you, and when I first read the released information my first thought was that it was some sort of case synopsis that was provided. As you mention, note taking usually involves a lot of tiny details about a lot of things. When I write case notes, I have to mention things such as the exact time, all persons present, the location, etc. The information release seemed condensed and to the point.

When you have this many innocent people tangled into a case, I can see how making information public about these persons can end up being kept to a minimum.

 

[HerStory]

So, as I have said before, I ordered my ancestry DNA kit. Last night, the results came back and I have at least 92 fourth cousin or more matches!!!! And then some..... SURELY, it would be safe to assume that FLEK's own DNA could solve some or all of this mystery!

http://postimg.org/image/taiy8dsxn/

 

[Sherwood Park]

Not sure if anyone found this yet, you'all probably have.

I looked at the obituary for Roger "Terry" Turner (1938-2013) and he might not be Caucasian, so I'm not sure if that is a family connection or not. Turner is a very common name. He went to Kent State and that might be a reason he shows up on search engines associated with your search.

 

[fred&edna]

I looked at the obituary for Roger "Terry" Turner (1938-2013) and he might not be Caucasian, so I'm not sure if that is a family connection or not. Turner is a very common name. He went to Kent State and that might be a reason he shows up on search engines associated with your search.

BBM

When I've gone beyond the immediate Turners, to possibly and likely-related Turners, I've never felt quite certain that I was looking into the 'RIGHT' Turner associated with this case. Several looked promising (addresses in CA, Idaho, and Nevada) but I could never actually pinpoint a definite link. The name is just too common (imo).

 

[Linda9681]

So.. If you are going to steal an identity.. Turner, Smith and jones are a safe bet


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[Beezneez]

So, as I have said before, I ordered my ancestry DNA kit. Last night, the results came back and I have at least 92 fourth cousin or more matches!!!! And then some..... SURELY, it would be safe to assume that FLEK's own DNA could solve some or all of this mystery!

http://postimg.org/image/taiy8dsxn/

Didn't Velling say her DNA had been submitted to those sites? In the Seattle times Q&A and article.
In re-reading the Seattle Times article I was struck by one thing- when Miles (Blakes brother) was going through the house he said there were papers just covered in her writing, all of it nonsense. The pastor also says she brought in notebooks full of writings about how to get Blake back and what was wrong with her.
I wonder what happened to those notebooks? I wonder if maybe the notes page in the lockbox were just random, meaningless nonsense? She sounds pretty clearly out of her mind at the end, I can see someone absentmindedly stashing random papers here & there. Especially if she had the box out to shred up identifying documents. Maybe she had to hurriedly put the lockbox away, thinking she heard someone driving up or something, and just shoved in whatever was right in front of her.

 

[LaLaw2000]

All of you are going to think I am stark raving crazy, but have any of you read the threads of the murdered young couple in South Carolina in 1976? They are as yet unidentified but 2 submissions have been sent in. It is believed they are from Argentina and maybe disappeared from there or left there willingly due to the Dirty War in Argentina from 1976 to approximately 1983. 9 to 11 thousand people were either kidnapped or disappeared from Argentina during those years. Some say it is upwards of even 30,000. The military ruled the country during those years. General Galtieri was the top general during that time. There were thousands of Human Rights violations.

I was looking through the missing in Argentina and see that FLEK could have easily been Argentinian. Argentina is the 9th largest exporter of tea, and they do have a tradition of teas and 'high teas'. Their food is much like the Cuban food FLEK liked so much. That much could fit.

I would think that many of the wealthier families either wanted to flee the country or at least send their children out of the country if possible during all of that conflict and turmoil. Entire families could have left the country for that matter.

FLEK's family could have been wealthy and come here as a family during those years. Some of the missing were young people shown in wealthy circumstances in their pics.

I don't know! It just seems that it could be plausible that FLEK was from Argentina given the similarities between Argentinian food and Cuban food as well as the tradition of teas and 'high teas'. She sure had a reason for the Boulder City, Nevada post office box. I don't know how long she'd had it before marrying Blake, but she surely didn't want him to know about it until after she was gone. She was communicating with someone or receiving something in that post office box in Boulder City.

Given the Freedom of Information Act documentation, I find it very odd that as interested as Velling was to find out who she was, he certainly retired and got very, very quiet about it. You would think he would have wanted to solve the identity fraud, and my suspicion is that he had and we do not have all of the information.

Bottom line, she could have easily been from Argentina and come here during that conflict. That was from 1976 to approximately 1983. She would not be in our United States databases.

Okay, I'll stop now, lol!

 

[LaLaw2000]

Didn't Velling say her DNA had been submitted to those sites? In the Seattle times Q&A and article.
In re-reading the Seattle Times article I was struck by one thing- when Miles (Blakes brother) was going through the house he said there were papers just covered in her writing, all of it nonsense. The pastor also says she brought in notebooks full of writings about how to get Blake back and what was wrong with her.
I wonder what happened to those notebooks? I wonder if maybe the notes page in the lockbox were just random, meaningless nonsense? She sounds pretty clearly out of her mind at the end, I can see someone absentmindedly stashing random papers here & there. Especially if she had the box out to shred up identifying documents. Maybe she had to hurriedly put the lockbox away, thinking she heard someone driving up or something, and just shoved in whatever was right in front of her.

OR, she may have forgotten about the lock box in the closet. She drove to the Ruff's home in Longview @ approximately 6:30 in the morning. She and Blake's house was in Lenard, Texas, which is approximately 117 miles from Longview. She had to have left she and Blakes home in Lenard at least around 4:00 in the morning to get there at that time. It is my opinion that FLEK had been awake all night, written the 11 page letter to Blake and one to her daughter, then made the drive.

She was paranoid and had suffered a complete breakdown at that point, IMO. She had shredded a lot of papers and probably shredded the notebooks as well.

 

[zieroh]

All righty then, who is brave enough to contact these two??? Ya think Veiling did?

I'm honestly not sure what it would accomplish. The certificate is from 1996, which is well after she had already established her new identity, and toward the end of the span of time she spent in college. I'm kind of doubtful that they would remember some random member of the public from 20 years ago.

 

[Beezneez]

I'm honestly not sure what it would accomplish. The certificate is from 1996, which is well after she had already established her new identity, and toward the end of the span of time she spent in college. I'm kind of doubtful that they would remember some random member of the public from 20 years ago.

Well if she was as anti-social as she has made out to be she just might stand out. People who do things like this are generally open & extroverted. They are like me- I can't ride in a cab without finding out about the drivers wife, kids, oldest a major in college, daughters boyfriend, and what he had for lunch. I've done things similar to parachuting & those people were Facebook friends with me just after we got back on the ground.
Someone who was quiet & awkward about everything would make the insrtuctor hesitate
To take her up. It is the business of taking people through exhilarating experience. Even after 20 years it's possible that a tall woman, alone, seemed ?????? about it, but did it would stick
Out. I'll call tomorrow.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I accidentally came across this. There was a British Talent Show named "Stars in Their Eyes". Thinking back to the note with "These Eyes - Shoot" on the note, I'm wondering if FLEK was a dancer on one of the episodes. IIRC, she got her passport in March of 1990 for going to Germany and London. The show originally aired in 1990 in UK.

What makes things more interesting is one of the contestant's names was "Laine Kennedy". I don't see a resemblance, but I could be wrong. If not a dancer and if she is not Laine, then I wonder if she was related to Laine.
Wikipedia had info on the Stars in Their Eyes contestants.

 

[Linda9681]

Another thought.. Her password was " Cedar" I never thought much about it because cedar trees are a annoying deal here in Texas.. But... On TV the other day someone made a reference that the word " Cedar" was a racial description to describe Lebanese people ( Cedars of Lebanon). My cousins dad is Lebanese and looks middle eastern, however my cousin has blonde hair and blue eyes so it's not a stretch genetically speaking for Lori to have a Lebanese parent. Also, with Lassiner on her notes page( he's Turkish) .. Well... Who knows


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[Beezneez]

Cedar City in UT is an interesting place... Never been but I googled Cedar City & LaBaron & came up with a few connections. I don't know enough about that theory to really go anywhere with it, but some names & dates might jump out at those more familiar.

 

[Cafegirl]

I just dont think she would have gone to these lengths unless it was something big.i mean,really.all of the name changes,floating mailing addresses,GED.remember,it was pre-internet days,so alot easier to not be found .if she was just a runaway or trying to dissacociate herself from her past,it would've been pretty easy.instead,she went to great lengths.had to get her GED,either she never graduated,due to circumstances or no formal education.she hopped from one court to the next and mailing address to mailing address.what would make you go to such lengths?me,I think of LDS escape,(explains no formal education,see her handwriting).or motorcycle gang involvment(Cheryl Moser).last year,before I joined ws,I had briefly jaf contact with blakes mom.what she told me is strange"we have decided that any further information into Loris true identity will not positively benefit our family".that makes me feel like after investigation..they maybe realized something that could poss be dangerous to the family.

 

[newfiedee]

I accidentally came across this. There was a British Talent Show named "Stars in Their Eyes". Thinking back to the note with "These Eyes - Shoot" on the note, I'm wondering if FLEK was a dancer on one of the episodes. IIRC, she got her passport in March of 1990 for going to Germany and London. The show originally aired in 1990 in UK.

What makes things more interesting is one of the contestant's names was "Laine Kennedy". I don't see a resemblance, but I could be wrong. If not a dancer and if she is not Laine, then I wonder if she was related to Laine.
Wikipedia had info on the Stars in Their Eyes contestants.

I think i read that she never used her passport

 

[Linda9681]

I just dont think she would have gone to these lengths unless it was something big.i mean,really.all of the name changes,floating mailing addresses,GED.remember,it was pre-internet days,so alot easier to not be found .if she was just a runaway or trying to dissacociate herself from her past,it would've been pretty easy.instead,she went to great lengths.had to get her GED,either she never graduated,due to circumstances or no formal education.she hopped from one court to the next and mailing address to mailing address.what would make you go to such lengths?me,I think of LDS escape,(explains no formal education,see her handwriting).or motorcycle gang involvment(Cheryl Moser).last year,before I joined ws,I had briefly jaf contact with blakes mom.what she told me is strange"we have decided that any further information into Loris true identity will not positively benefit our family".that makes me feel like after investigation..they maybe realized something that could poss be dangerous to the family.

No. She HAD to get a GED to get into college. She could have a PH.D. For all we know under her real name but she couldn't USE it because it would link to her past. She had to make a clean break, leaving all her history bad AND good. The easiest way was to get a GED under her new name( fresh start). We can't assume anything about her real ID because she totally broke from it in every way.


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[newfiedee]

well from what ive read on the gang activity at the time there were alot of girls killed in her area...her boyfriend david thompson was jailed a few months later, as not been found since his released, my opinion with cheryl, that david got cheryl out , so she wouldnt see the same faith , so if cheryl was lori ,, you would go to the same lenght gangs where very connected all over the country in those times.