TX - Mass Shooting at Fort Hood, 5 November 2009 #2 *Guilty*

  • #81
Well President Obama made his opinion clear imo. He more or less said these 13 fallen soldiers died in an act of war on American soil.

He mentioned "faith" a couple of times.

imo
 
  • #82
ok, i am a blubbering mess after listening to the army rollcall with the missing victims. omgosh, it is such a tragedy. i am so sad
 
  • #83
http://www.wwj.com/Obama-Honors-13-Fort-Hood-Victims/5641597

"It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy. But this much we do know – no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice – in this world, and the next."
 
  • #84
Wow! What a touching memorial. I've been sitting here watching and crying the whole time. Why do I do that?

Although I knew they were going to do the roll-call, it was still difficult to watch. It was also touching when Prez Obama and Mrs. Obama payed their individual respects to each lost soldier. He put a coin for each of them.

After the prez and Mrs. left and others attending were paying their individual respects, there was this one poor woman, I think one may have been her husband, who had to be practically carried away. She was leaning on those surrounding her.

Near the end, there was a uniformed soldier and next to him was a young man with a shirt with a picture of a woman and a flag background. I think I know who he was. There was a female soldier on the other side of him and the two uniformed soldiers walked with him to each victim, and they would put their hand on the back of his shoulder. Finally he came to the photo of the young woman killed who was pregnant. He hestitated and you could see that he was saying something and then a few more uniformed soldiers surrounded him and began guiding him away. That poor, poor man.............he was over-seas and his wife had just returned home and they were looking forward to the birth of their second child.........heartbreaking,.....

Bless all those that were lost and prayers and condolence to their family, ALL their family.

Sincerely,
fran
 
  • #85
Well President Obama made his opinion clear imo. He more or less said these 13 fallen soldiers died in an act of war on American soil.

He mentioned "faith" a couple of times.

imo

I did not get to see this,
I am not being snooty, did he mention WHO'S faith???? :waitasec:
Or why the SOB was not taken out of the Armed services when all the red flags were blaring.
I imagine not.
 
  • #86
I did not get to see this,
I am not being snooty, did he mention WHO'S faith???? :waitasec:
Or why the SOB was not taken out of the Armed services when all the red flags were blaring.
I imagine not.

It was obvious that he was talking about Hasan's faith and his radical belief system.

Not formally because it is such a PC no no to make a complaint against a Muslim, imo. Those that heard his rants said they were afraid to report the only Muslim psychiatrist thinking they would be labeled biased and prejudiced.

imo
 
  • #87
I am not an Obama fan, but I was also glad to see that he mentioned faith at the memorial today. To ignore the relationship of the Middle East conflict to religion is foolish. It is all about religion. Their religion hates everyone that is not willing to live by their rules.....in fact, they want us dead. As Nidal Malik Hasan himself said - "they love death more than we love life". Their is no way to reason with these people or to change their minds. They are a cancer to society. I work in the medical profession, and we try every means possible to rid a body of cancer. I believe that is what our military is doing in the Middle East, and I support them. Hasan is the perfect example of how the malignant thoughts and beliefs of Islam can manifest itself. I want our military to perform a CT scan, an MRI, and a PET scan of our entire military to root out any other cancerous, evil people, and then to remove them - permenantly.
 
  • #88
It was obvious that he was talking about Hasan's faith and his radical belief system.

Not formally because it is such a PC no no to make a complaint against a Muslim, imo. Those that heard his rants said they were afraid to report the only Muslim psychiatrist thinking they would be labeled biased and prejudiced.

imo
BBM
Something wrong with that picture, that is a problem.
 
  • #89
This is the first time that I have been able to post on these threads. Mostly out of me saying something that would get me banned.

I watched the memorial today with my daughter, who was born at Darnell. While I have been out since '97, I still feel as if those soldiers are part of my extended family. I thought that the service was done tastefully and showed the reverence and respect that the 14, since I count the unborn child, American hero's deserved. I am not a fan of Obama, however I was moved by his talk and then when he laid his coin, which is an honor to receive a coin, it's a military thing, but when he presented his coin to each of the fallen, that showed great respect and I just really liked how he handled this part of the ceremony.

Today was a day of healing not only for Ft Hood but for all of us. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who was touched by this act of terrorism and the day will come when the thing who did this will pay for his actions.
 
  • #90
I refuse. I refuse to speak his name or to call him a terrorist. Yes, he took terroristic actions, but I think he was more of a terrorist whannabe. I don't credit him with the term terrorist because I don't think that killed for his religion or his ideals. And because I won't give him that much 'credit.' I just call him a murderer. I think he killed because he didn't like his life, he wanted out and he wanted someone to look at him as being brave and to give him 'glory', and I don't think he was brave or glorious. Somehow I suspect that other Islamists don't either. Some will regret what he did. And even the more extremist will laugh at him, that he couldn't even attain 'glory' because he lived.

If he had been a 'terrorist' he would have gone for training, he would have gone to join the people he identified with he would have wanted to be there to protect them. Or he would have gone AWOL and moved there to practice his profession. Instead he fought going there, and when that failed, he set out to punish the ones that he saw as victimizing him.

I don't see him as any more of a terrorist than the other criminals that we see here. Think Columbine and other school shootings. Think workplace shootings. He was unhappy with his life and he decided to punish. That's what it reminds me of. He was a coward though. He wouldn't go to battle, instead he chose a group that he knew were unarmed and unable to retaliate against him. Just like the other criminals we have seen.

I am tickled that he didn't die from his injuries. Instead he will brought up before a jury of his betters, he will suffer the humiliation of facing his mother and seeing his actions and his future in her eyes. He will suffer the humiliation of prison and confinement. And he will live knowing that every day he is one more day closer to the death penalty.

I don't hold Islamists responsible for what he did. But I do hold any of them who discussed this with him or who heard him talking about this responsible. Or if they had preached this in temple. And I hope they do a very careful investigation of the mosque that he belonged to. It is a mighty coincidence that he attended the same mosque that the 9/11 killers used. There placement there was carefully considered, and now there was another one.
I SURE HOPE THAT NO AMERICANS THINK THIS WAY. :angel:
One eye closed IMHO is very dangerous. HE IS a terrorist.
He took out the infidel, just as they all say they will. :(
 
  • #91
well we are not not fighting the newborns who are indeed created equal. the people we need to stop are no longer equal they are demons to society. PERIOD.
we can not tell those people how to raise their own, we can hope that the 10% who is of sound mind can do that.
Unfortunately they can not.
THE REST is not interested in learning anything at all from the infidel, they just want to kill them...
compassion is misplaced here, they want us dead we are the infidel. we do not have time to stroke these animals.
there is no time that is the right time to let them into our armed services.
I have traveled many countries, and yes "Americans" are considered very stupid. I do not wonder why any more.
I stopped wondering in the year 2000.

I had to sleep on this and my thoughts are - I don't see the people of other countries coming up with any real brilliant answers in order to solve the World's problems. Are we criticized for getting involved (and then criticized for not getting involved)? Maybe we should stick our heads in the sand.

It's rude for other people (whoever they are) to say that about Americans imo. I would ask them to show their big brains and bring forth answers to the globe's problems since they're so smart.

Let me add, to those who don't want to live here but do, you can always leave for that "better" place. I'd be interested to hear where people would choose to live - not visit, but live. There are a few places I can think of that might be nice, but you can't just walk in there and say "Hi, I'm here." You'd be surprised, not having been born there, how difficult it would be to fit in. Just saying.
 
  • #92
I SURE HOPE THAT NO AMERICANS THINK THIS WAY. :angel:
One eye closed IMHO is very dangerous. HE IS a terrorist.

The plot thickens - I heard on the news that he had dinner with a group of "guys" the night before he did the shootings.
 
  • #93
fran, your post just caused a spontaneous burst of tears as i read the heart wrenching words. awful awful awful

reannan, great points about radical ideology equating with cancer. i like that. we have got to stop the metastatic invasion of all the propaganda and put more safety guards in place (not less) with info sharing among security agencies. it's gonna be interesting to watch how this is spun
 
  • #94
I had to sleep on this and my thoughts are - I don't see the people of other countries coming up with any real brilliant answers in order to solve the World's problems. Are we criticized for getting involved (and then criticized for not getting involved)? Maybe we should stick our heads in the sand.

It's rude for other people (whoever they are) to say that about Americans imo. I would ask them to show their big brains and bring forth answers to the globe's problems since they're so smart.

Let me add, to those who don't want to live here but do, you can always leave for that "better" place. I'd be interested to hear where people would choose to live - not visit, but live. There are a few places I can think of that might be nice, but you can't just walk in there and say "Hi, I'm here." You'd be surprised, not having been born there, how difficult it would be to fit in. Just saying.

Our "stupidity" does not jibe with our rise to the most prosperous nation on earth. They don't mind our "stupidity" or military when they need to be bailed out (cough France..) Our "stupidity" cannot be blamed for allowing the rise of Islamic extremism to hijack a religion.....
 
  • #95
Wow! What a touching memorial. I've been sitting here watching and crying the whole time. Why do I do that?

Although I knew they were going to do the roll-call, it was still difficult to watch. It was also touching when Prez Obama and Mrs. Obama payed their individual respects to each lost soldier. He put a coin for each of them.

After the prez and Mrs. left and others attending were paying their individual respects, there was this one poor woman, I think one may have been her husband, who had to be practically carried away. She was leaning on those surrounding her.

Near the end, there was a uniformed soldier and next to him was a young man with a shirt with a picture of a woman and a flag background. I think I know who he was. There was a female soldier on the other side of him and the two uniformed soldiers walked with him to each victim, and they would put their hand on the back of his shoulder. Finally he came to the photo of the young woman killed who was pregnant. He hestitated and you could see that he was saying something and then a few more uniformed soldiers surrounded him and began guiding him away. That poor, poor man.............he was over-seas and his wife had just returned home and they were looking forward to the birth of their second child.........heartbreaking,.....

Bless all those that were lost and prayers and condolence to their family, ALL their family.

Sincerely,
fran

I'll go one more Fran............when they showed those boots I thought about a pair of baby shoes being next to one pair.
 
  • #96
I had to sleep on this and my thoughts are - I don't see the people of other countries coming up with any real brilliant answers in order to solve the World's problems. Are we criticized for getting involved (and then criticized for not getting involved)? Maybe we should stick our heads in the sand.

It's rude for other people (whoever they are) to say that about Americans imo. I would ask them to show their big brains and bring forth answers to the globe's problems since they're so smart.

Let me add, to those who don't want to live here but do, you can always leave for that "better" place. I'd be interested to hear where people would choose to live - not visit, but live. There are a few places I can think of that might be nice, but you can't just walk in there and say "Hi, I'm here." You'd be surprised, not having been born there, how difficult it would be to fit in. Just saying.[/QUOTE

BBM

Sadly we have tried this approach before, it was call WWII.....As you can see by history that did not work, since we were pulled into the war anyways.

I agree with ya on people who complain about living in this country....I mean there is no one stopping them from moving....
 
  • #97
From an email forwarded to me & especially poingant as our country honors the veterans: .

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30 wounded at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood Texas. As I watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of final service in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on the post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and their families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our Band of Brothers and Sisters can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole but as family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors train for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America, an Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact that there are some who have now created an entire new classification called; pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is unconscionable.

This is not a man caused disaster. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his Commanding Officer's tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a young convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive terrorist training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little Rock, Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic terrorist plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base, Quantico as a target.

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and diversity syndrome on steroids.

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of fact he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been proof positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim, not the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the Soldier Readiness Center shouting "Allahu Akhbar", same chant as the 9-11 terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of protecting the American people.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And dont have CAIR call me and try to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate terrorist associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are "Kaffirs" and "Infidels" allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology.one resulting in four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our schools.

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that are spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional Republicthat speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who believes such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please, go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are concerned that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and realize a simple point.

The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal,
Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)
 
  • #98
Our "stupidity" does not jibe with our rise to the most prosperous nation on earth. They don't mind our "stupidity" or military when they need to be bailed out (cough France..) Our "stupidity" cannot be blamed for allowing the rise of Islamic extremism to hijack a religion.....

This is a sensitive issue. France has helped us in the past and we have helped France (as a whole, they're more stylish than us and think we're sloppy dressers - ha!). The U.S. has made mistakes and other countries have made mistakes too. None of us wants to see WWIII - will it have to come to that before the world perceives the current threat? What did we learn from WWII - anything?

Ignorance to the fact that we have a real threat going on in real time will not help us. We're trying to "hold it down", that is, keep the terrorism from spreading. We need help.

Many Americans (think Joy Beher - sorry Joy, I think you're funny but nieve) don't understand the reasons behind all the effort and money we are putting in over there and constantly criticize their own country's efforts. That burns me and imo is WHERE OUR FREEDOM GETS IN OUR OWN WAY. If we want to see, on a large scale what we saw at Fort Hood, we should turn our backs on the issue, close our eyes and do nothing. There is a real enemy with an agenda.

It is hard for me to believe that this maniac's ideologies were overlooked. They clearly were. We have men who can dismember real bombs but our authorities can't approach an unarmed man who looks like a bomb waiting to explode? We have to get tougher NOW.

P.S. I just read the LTC's post above and it is the professional, strong message of what I'm trying to say. Thank you noZme, post #97.
 
  • #99
Many Americans (think Joy Beher - sorry Joy, I think you're funny but nieve) don't understand the reasons behind all the effort we are putting in over there and constantly criticize their own country's efforts. That burns me and imo is where our freedom gets in our own way. If we want to see, on a large scale what we saw at Fort Hood, we should turn our backs and close our eyes and do nothing. There is a real enemy with a real agenda.



Thank you. I thought that needed repeating.
 
  • #100
I had to sleep on this and my thoughts are - I don't see the people of other countries coming up with any real brilliant answers in order to solve the World's problems. Are we criticized for getting involved (and then criticized for not getting involved)? Maybe we should stick our heads in the sand. No, I think we are criticized for not doing the right thing. SEEMS that Russia had tried for 10 years and walked away very very broke and bruised. CLEARLY it was not our business at this time to jump in there Iraq did nothing to warrant this move on our part, all we did is create a hot bed for terrorists in Iraq, whenever we walk out of there the terrorist will have infiltrated that entire region.

It's rude for other people (whoever they are) to say that about Americans imo. I would ask them to show their big brains and bring forth answers to the globe's problems since they're so smart. They do not care if we think it is rude, we sure have not settled our own problems here in the USA - we do not need to start any wars. NO WE DO NOT.

Let me add, to those who don't want to live here but do, you can always leave for that "better" place. I'd be interested to hear where people would choose to live - not visit, but live. There are a few places I can think of that might be nice, but you can't just walk in there and say "Hi, I'm here." You'd be surprised, not having been born there, how difficult it would be to fit in. Just saying.This WAS the land of opportunity, many came for that and did go back home, wherever that is...Many do have it better here even if they only make $5. an hour so they stay...Many Countries do not want an open door for all kinds of illegals, and deviants, cant blame them for that at all.WHAT WE USED TO BE we are no more. This county has forsaken its citizens JMHO, and Muslims should not be in our Armed services especially since they DO say we are the infidel and we must be taken out, they are not kidding

I do not know who is smart enough to answer your questions I am NOT. but I will try using another color right into your post. I can say that after reading a lot, 9/11 was not what our Government wants us to think it was. So we are pretty gullible, does not constitute smart. We are now no better then sheep. JMHO but we do think that our vote means something LOL
 

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