Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #1

[LaneGirl]

It doesn't transmit for very long. Like I stated, a day, maybe two. When your phone dies, there's not enough power to run the operating system and apps on your phone. That doesn't mean that background data isn't still transmitted until every bit of the power is finally gone from it.

I have a very close family member in law enforcement who's sole job is digital forensics. I'm relaying what that person is telling me. I hope Google provides you with what you're looking for. [emoji846]


*All statements are that of my own opinion unless otherwise specified.*

I've googled and I'm not coming up with anything that even implies that GPS is still transmitting after a battery dies.

 

[SavetheQueen]

I've googled and I'm not coming up with anything that even implies that GPS is still transmitting after a battery dies.

I'm not sure why not. I'm finding several things.
"It seems that right before a phone dies, it sends out a veritable S.O.S. In reality, the signal tells the tower that it’s dying, that this is the last signal it will put out, and records the location. It’s a definitive, “I am dead, this is where I rest,” and it’s up to you to go to that place and retrieve the phone (unless someone swiped it, or its in a moving vehicle)."
https://venturebeat.com/2012/10/09/lookout-redesign/



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[Razz]

All modern day phones emit some level of GPS transmission as long as there is a battery in it. If the battery goes dead, it still transmits for a short time. You can disable the "smart GPS", the one that will give your location with a very small radius, but the lower level GPS is still active. The difference is around 3' for the smart level, and around 10' for the lower level. This has to do with 911 emergency guidelines. Phones and GPS have come a long way in the past 5 years especially. As for the battery power in an iPhone and others that you can't really remove it, like I said, even with a dead battery, it still sends a signal until the reserve power is gone (a day or two usually), or the phone is in a location where it can't send or get a signal.

I hate to say it, but I concur with thinking he's submerged, or in some other location where the phone can't transmit a signal (in the ground).


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So what do you and Samsmom think happen? Maybe he threw it in the trash somewhere or in the water

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[LaneGirl]

I'm not sure why not. I'm finding several things.
"It seems that right before a phone dies, it sends out a veritable S.O.S. In reality, the signal tells the tower that it’s dying, that this is the last signal it will put out, and records the location. It’s a definitive, “I am dead, this is where I rest,” and it’s up to you to go to that place and retrieve the phone (unless someone swiped it, or its in a moving vehicle)."
https://venturebeat.com/2012/10/09/lookout-redesign/






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Thank you!

As I'm reading your link...this is an app you have to download and this app and as you say above before the phone dies. It basically says "I died here" last place with the battery alive not sending out a signal AFTER the battery died.

Also from your link...‘Well, what if your battery’s dead?'” said Barton.”[I’d say,] ‘Well, okay, so if your battery is dead, you can’t locate. But we’re going to work on something so you can at least know where it was’

I'm still not disagreeing with you nor your LE family/friend but logic just seems to be defied that a dead battery can transmit anything after its dead, unless its not dead yet.

ETA - perhaps this is what you meant "as the battery was dying" and not after. My apologies if I misunderstood.

 

[SavetheQueen]

Thank you!

As I'm reading your link...this is an app you have to download and this app and as you say above before the phone dies. It basically says "I died here" last place with the battery alive not sending out a signal AFTER the battery died.

Also from your link...‘Well, what if your battery’s dead?'” said Barton.”[I’d say,] ‘Well, okay, so if your battery is dead, you can’t locate. But we’re going to work on something so you can at least know where it was’

I'm still not disagreeing with you nor your LE family/friend but logic just seems to be defied that a dead battery can transmit anything after its dead, unless its not dead yet.

There were several other links that I found searching. I'm trying to explain it in terms that are simple. It's not full-on operating. It has just enough power in the battery left to emit a basic signal from the GPS. It doesn't have enough power to do much of anything else. And it doesn't do it for a lengthy time. The battery has just enough power to send a faint signal like a body may have a faint pulse. And like a dying person or animal, it eventually fades away and stops. From what he's telling me it sounds like either the phone was already well on its way to dying, and eventually did so which was quicker than a fully charged phone would, or something happened to the phone. It was destroyed, put into water, buried, etc.

The app referenced in the article is now built-in on Android phones. The article is a couple of years old. Cell technology grows at a rapid pace.

Really, this discussion is a mute point because we would have to know certain particulars about the phone and other things in order to know what scenario was occurring. The granddaughter has said that there's information about the phone that LE isn't releasing to the public. I apologize for mentioning the GPS potential, and causing confusion.


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[SavetheQueen]

ETA - perhaps this is what you meant "as the battery was dying" and not after. My apologies if I misunderstood.

*Respectfully snipped*

Yes! [emoji4] Those are the right words. That's what I'm trying to convey. I apologize. It's been a very long week. But that's the general idea - what you just said.


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[eekasaur]

The reason I bring it up is because we discussed this extensively in the Toni Anderson case. Her phone did a final "ping" very closet to the lake that they ended up finding her at. I'm wondering why Papaw's phone never did a final "ping" like Toni's did. Again, I don't know enough about this to make any guesses, and yes, we are running around in circles discussing the phone situation, haha. I appreciate everyone trying to figure out what could have happened to it. Perhaps since LE has phone info that they aren't releasing, it has something to due with my questions. I just want to find him soon for the family!!!

 

[SavetheQueen]

So what do you and Samsmom think happen? Maybe he threw it in the trash somewhere or in the water

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I really, really don't know what I think. This case could go so many different ways, and there's not much evidence to form a solid opinion on for me.

* He accidentally hurt himself, and was dazed and disoriented, and wandered off. While he was wandering, he fell into something. A ditch, a stock pond. Wandered into an abandoned building, his injury took over him.

* He injured himself, and someone he knew/was familiar with happened to be there, and saw an opportunity to do him harm.

* Someone he knew/was familiar with came along, and did harm to him, and forced him out of the shop, and took him elsewhere and...????

I really don't have one specific thing that I feel happened. But I DO think that if another person is involved, it's someone he knows.




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[inmyhumbleopinion]

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"Papaw"'s case has really grabbed a hold of me, and I really want it resolved. He just seems like such a caring, good human being.

Perhaps because of my own struggle with depression, I often tend to think something along the lines of "You just never know what a person is going through inside. Maybe this person didn't want to 'bother' -from the person's perspective- his family or friends with whatever s/he was struggling with, so s/he decided to end it all." Sometimes this happens even to folks with no obvious history or signs of mental health concerns.

With Papaw's case, however, I am just not getting that "vibe."

His granddaughter (as well as other family members, as I recall, in MSM) has said -more than once- he would want to protect his family, his wife in particular. All the lights were turned off. Everything was locked up. Everything was in its "usual place." Being the caring person that he is, maybe he wanted to make absolutely sure everything was left intact for his wife and that she would be taken care of. Perhaps it was important to him that she be spared of the horror of stumbling upon the body of her husband when she got home from work that evening. He could have taken his ID with him, knowing that would make it easier for the authorities to identify the body when it was found. The narrative makes sense to me, but I just don't think that's what happened here, nor do I think it was a case of robbery gone wrong or that he wandered off due to an injury or upon taking ill.

I still feel like Papaw was getting ready to go somewhere: Someone -whom he had no reason to fear- knew that he would be alone or saw him alone working in the garage, drove up unexpectedly and talked him into getting into their car to go somewhere. Lunch, a beer, to look at a car Papaw might be interested in, I don't know. Maybe Papaw only took cash because this person insisted on paying -e.g., Papaw paid for their beer the last time they went out, so they would pay this time-, but Papaw insisted on paying for the tip.

If it was someone Papaw knew fairly well, he wouldn't have thought anything of it even if this person stopped by unannounced. And there would be no record of communications between them.

I actually think it's more likely that this person knew with certainty Papaw would be alone as I believe this was planned with much care and attention to detail.

The person could also have incapacitated Papaw very quickly while still on his property, put him in their vehicle and then staged a scene to make it look like he left on his own volition or by accident.

Again, there is no way to truly know what a person is thinking. However, if Papaw didn't want anyone to know where he was going, why take his cell phone with him, only to turn it off right away (someone who intends to harm him/herself but wants to leave a digital trail -so that they can be found somewhat easily-, would leave the phone turned on a bit longer, I would think)?

If someone did harm him, was it somehow important to this person that his body would be identified relatively quickly? Did the person make sure Papaw had his ID on him for this reason? How much cash went missing with Papaw ... just a nominal amount?

But then why? Why would anyone want to take him out? And where could he be?

 

[eekasaur]

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Again, there is no way to truly know what a person is thinking. However, if Papaw didn't want anyone to know where he was going, why take his cell phone with him, only to turn it off right away (someone who intends to harm him/herself but wants to leave a digital trail -so that they can be found somewhat easily-, would leave the phone turned on a bit longer, I would think)?

Snipped by me...great points, inmyhumbleopinion!

The part I quoted is exactly why I think someone else disposed of or turned off Papaw's phone Especially knowing he usually keeps a charge to it!

 

[LaneGirl]

While it seems odd to us (although getting mascara doesn't to me) the granddaughter said this is not unusual for him and he is kind like that.

While I too don't see him looking for "Maybelline taupe eyeshadow" I can see him being told get the "purple tube of Noir mascara in the Maybelline" section.

I've asked my husband for something similar. He doesn't want to stand there and read anything so I give him the color of the box or package and location in the store like 2nd shelf from the bottom etc.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't standing around in the makeup section looking for a certain shade of something.

 

[eekasaur]

While it seems odd to us (although getting mascara doesn't to me) the granddaughter said this is not unusual for him and he is kind like that.

While I too don't see him looking for "Maybelline taupe eyeshadow" I can see him being told get the "purple tube of Noir mascara in the Maybelline" section.

I've asked my husband for something similar. He doesn't want to stand there and read anything so I give him the color of the box or package and location in the store like 2nd shelf from the bottom etc.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't standing around in the makeup section looking for a certain shade of something.

Definitely. And we don't know exactly WHAT the purchases were. Who knows, maybe "makeup" consisted of some chapstick and sunblock. Or maybe the exact shade and brand of lipstick that she's been wearing her whole life. Or the old handy pink and green mascara tube that just about everyone knows about, and he's seen her wear and has seen in their bathroom for years and years. IMO, MOO, etc. I think he just sounds like a sweet, caring husband.

 

[knowthings]

Definitely. And we don't know exactly WHAT the purchases were. Who knows, maybe "makeup" consisted of some chapstick and sunblock. Or maybe the exact shade and brand of lipstick that she's been wearing her whole life. Or the old handy pink and green mascara tube that just about everyone knows about, and he's seen her wear and has seen in their bathroom for years and years. IMO, MOO, etc. I think he just sounds like a sweet, caring husband.

He seems like a wonderful man!


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[Razz]

Well I feel as if it could have been a ploy to get him away from the house, do we know if wife had key to shed?


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Ok. So let me do some wild speculating here.

So someone managed to get the keys to the shed and entered when MC was at Wal-Mart. So did this person lie in wait for MC to enter the shed? Where did they park the car not to raise suspicion? Was MC attacked when he entered? If so, how did his stuff get put where he normally puts it? How were there no other fingerprints than Pawpa s?
How did this person get Pawpa into the car either willing or on his own and then.......?

Maybe someone else can see this.
I'm not.....yet.

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[dawny]

I don't think the husband buying makeup is such a big deal in this case. Especially if a family member has already stated its something he normally did. And of course his wife would have keys of her own to their shed, i think it would be odd if she didn't. I think the things that are more important than buying make up are the things that the police haven't made public, or have only released very little information on. In the press conference sheriff stated the phone pinged off 2 locations after his disappearance. (If I remember correctly) But upon them looking into it, it was a dead end and nothing came of it. And the sheriff said he would not give out any info regarding that. I don't believe the husband or wife had any affairs either. They seem like they love each other from what is being said from family members and social media. But it does seem like for whatever reason he left on his own. I think that because I dont understand how someone could not be found out by all the LE working on this case. Or not be seen by the neighbors. This is all just speculation. I do hope he's found, and praying for this family.

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

Definitely. And we don't know exactly WHAT the purchases were. Who knows, maybe "makeup" consisted of some chapstick and sunblock. Or maybe the exact shade and brand of lipstick that she's been wearing her whole life. Or the old handy pink and green mascara tube that just about everyone knows about, and he's seen her wear and has seen in their bathroom for years and years. IMO, MOO, etc. I think he just sounds like a sweet, caring husband.

This. His trip and purchase give off no weird vibes to me. The blood in the shed, the locked door, and his disappearance, that's all kinds of weird.

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[samsmom]

So what do you and Samsmom think happen? Maybe he threw it in the trash somewhere or in the water

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Thanks for the question, IMO A lot of recoveries are in bodies of water and if you look at Google and the proximity of his last known location, there's bodies of water. Purely speculation on my part, but that's my feeling and theory. Hope I'm wrong and he comes home after a long break. Maybe he's disoriented and in a hospital somewhere.

I appreciate his grand-daughter coming here and helping with our sleuthing. No disrespect intended.

Again, IMO, samsmom

 

[knowthings]

The most feasible scenario is that for whatever reason Michael decided to end his life, only took his DL for ease of identification, maybe took a Stanley knife with him, nicking his finger accidentally, probably close by, something could have happened that day to push him over the edge, sad, MOO.


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[Snoopster]

I've had a lovely weekend with my family.
Where are you Papaw? Your family is worried about you. They are missing you.

 

[carterkatt]

I apologize if this has already been made clear and I missed it. I believe it's been said there is a "normal" people sized door to the workshop as well as other door(s)? The other door(s).... Are they roll up garage doors?

I ask because my hubby's workshop has two double doors that swing "out". And, one of them never wants to stay open, so he props it open with a stick, like a dowel. That's what I keep thinking of when the dowel is mentioned.

Perhaps he injured himself, cut his hand, etc... Grabbed the dowel that was propping open the door to then leave and shut the doors.

I know.... Grasping at straws here....