Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #3

[mrsNKY]

I am just confused....it happens every day unfortunately that people grow apart and cheat...My ex did that to me, blatantly and I never thought of making his disappear.

I think you and most of us here, have a different personality than what we are getting from our VI's when it comes to BC at least as of the last couple of years. KWIM. Hearts and brains are what most of us think with here, others think with bank accounts and other anatomical parts that make them happy. Of course, I only had this same talk with myself the other day. I kept saying "who would do such a thing?" I still have no idea exactly. I still walk the line on this one, but this was my rationale.

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[Razz]

I know the general area given by our VI. Right around the corner (Texas-speaking) from MCs residence. Scattered houses, lots of land and woods. Interestingly, one salvage yard crosses 2101 from this road. Wondering if no one saw a car/ truck leave MCs house because he was either lured/taken off the property via ATV thru woods??? Thus not using the main roads?

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I am not totally familiar with ATVs but it's hard to picture carrying an unconscious 6'3" man on an atv. ???

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[Txteacher1]

I am not totally familiar with ATVs but it's hard to picture carrying an unconscious 6'3" man on an atv. ???

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On a side by side could be done rather easily....easier than putting someone in the trunk of a car.

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[Deleted member 50844]

On a side by side could be done rather easily....easier than putting someone in the trunk of a car.

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Very good thought! Sadly, the only ways I can think of an incapacitated Papaw being moved by a regular 4 wheeler are not good. But...the mention of using an ATV did get me thinking. Could someone have drove up an an ATV of whatever kind, and asked Papaw to go for a ride 'around the corner' with him? There could be any excuse made for a ruse like that. Come see the new car I got, come help me with an automotive project for a minute, I have a cow tangled in a fence and need some help, Billy is bleeding badly ambulance is on the way but need your help in the meantime, whatever...

Being the extremely helpful guy Papaw is, the chances are good that he'd have said, "Sure, let's go." locked the door behind him and hopped on the ATV only to be driven to something much more sinister than he thought he was going to.

 

[Pmerle00]

The family has been extremely quiet lately. Well, except JC. I'm hoping this means there is some new information coming to light.


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Ah, how I wish this were the case. I would give anything to have answers beyond what I have now. Unfortunately, I think we have mostly been quiet due to the storms and taking care of or worrying over those of our family in south Texas.

FYI - I'm on here today for a little while and will be answering questions as I can.

 

[Razz]

Very good thought! Sadly, the only ways I can think of an incapacitated Papaw being moved by a regular 4 wheeler are not good. But...the mention of using an ATV did get me thinking. Could someone have drove up an an ATV of whatever kind, and asked Papaw to go for a ride 'around the corner' with him? There could be any excuse made for a ruse like that. Come see the new car I got, come help me with an automotive project for a minute, I have a cow tangled in a fence and need some help, Billy is bleeding badly ambulance is on the way but need your help in the meantime, whatever...

Being the extremely helpful guy Papaw is, the chances are good that he'd have said, "Sure, let's go." locked the door behind him and hopped on the ATV only to be driven to something much more sinister than he thought he was going to.

But he didn't take his keys. How was he going to return to his shop or the house w/out his keys?



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[Pmerle00]

In order to declarer him dead, she said something like, he has not answered their calls are returned them.

Yet she shut the dang cell phone off. I mean really. After 30 years together in less then 60 days you know your husband is not coming back.. MIND BLOWN

I have gotten clarification on the phone - it was NOT shut off after 10 days, however, she did make some changes to their account at that time. She removed the son who had his phone on her account and suspended Papaw's service (but didn't cancel his portion of the account at that time). This would mean that if the phone was recovered she or LE could re-enstate and retrieve all info from it. It has now been completely removed since it was never found. I am trying to determine the DATE it was removed from the plan, but it was NOT at that 10 day mark.

 

[Pmerle00]

Ok. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I thought it was settled that BC phoned MC about purchasing the mascara?? This has changed three distinct times and each of these three stories have been circulated another three times. I'm starting to think these stories are intentionally being changed, or some people are asking deep questions and what they are being told is not consistent.
1. There signal was if she needed something she would leave thr empty container on the vanity.
2. She called him at eight and asked him to pick up items
3. She asked him to pick it up before she left
Arghh! Which is correct? Actually, I don't think we will get the whole story for quite awhile. I have been all morning reading from the 1st thread. Now on BPH they story has gone backwards.

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#2 is something that has been extrapolated from the Sheriff mistakenly saying Becca CALLED Papaw that morning, when she did not.

#3 is what Becca TOLD me and several other people at the beginning of all of this - that she asked him to pick up her mascara and he offered to do the laundry so she wouldn't have to that evening.

#1 is what Becca POSTED on FB - which is where my confusion is. She told me (and others) one thing, then posted something different....

 

[Pmerle00]

But the more I think about this, I guess since she inherited everything she can do what she want? I guess I am confused.

Does she get to do whatever she wishes or can she not sell any property from the will for three years?.

She inherits everything and can do anything she wants with ALL of it. HOWEVER - for 3 years, HALF of any proceeds are placed into an account. If (hopefully when) Papaw waltzes back through the door, that half is his. Should he remain missing, after 3 years, it goes to her. She can sell the house they live in, she can sell the land my mom and aunt grew up on, she can sell the cars promised to others, she can sell whatever she wants. Assets are all hers until the time of her passing. Also, she can create a NEW will assigning a new way of dispersing assets at any time. The estate is HERS - she must decide what to do with it and CAN decide to disregard Papaw's will completely by creating a new will.

 

[Pmerle00]

Yes. Most Wills I've known about (family members, close friends, family friends etc), while the deceased did leave the bulk of their estate to their spouse, they did still set aside smaller and equal amounts for their surviving adult children, sometimes even surviving grandchildren

My own will reads that if I die, my husband gets 100% of most of my estate, with a 50% portion of only certain assets/accounts going to my mom specifically for her to care for until my daughter is of age (probably need to set that up as a trust instead in case something happens to mom, but...). Then if he and I both die at the same time, the assets are specifically divided among all 4 of the children as laid out. Very similar to what Papaw's says.

Now, my MIL's will divided things among relatives in specific ways. As in, not everything went to my FIL straight away, some of it went straight to other people (sentimental items and such to specific people who would care about them, but also that my FIL likely would get rid of because he doesn't know what they mean to others).

So it CAN be done either way, and I don't see anything wrong with doing it either way.

 

[Pmerle00]

Ours too. Now if Mr. Montana died before me, I would get every single thing. When I died it would be split in various ways amongst the kids, grandkids, etc.
However, I can tell you that I would be passing things out before I died, to the people he wanted to ultimately have them. Obviously not our home, as I would still be living there or if I sold it, keep the money. But his hunting and fishing things, his tools, pretty much anything I wasn't going to make use of would get passed along after his death.
But our investments, savings accounts, etc. would remain mine until I died.

This is what I would do as well!!!!!

But it should be noted - this is not REQUIRED. It's just... right.

 

[Razz]

She inherits everything and can do anything she wants with ALL of it. HOWEVER - for 3 years, HALF of any proceeds are placed into an account. If (hopefully when) Papaw waltzes back through the door, that half is his. Should he remain missing, after 3 years, it goes to her. She can sell the house they live in, she can sell the land my mom and aunt grew up on, she can sell the cars promised to others, she can sell whatever she wants. Assets are all hers until the time of her passing. Also, she can create a NEW will assigning a new way of dispersing assets at any time. The estate is HERS - she must decide what to do with it and CAN decide to disregard Papaw's will completely by creating a new will.

Do you know the current status of the cars? He had a bunch listed in the will.
I believe VI 2 said that both boys have their trucks.

Also, who pays to house the cars and what does that run $ wise on a monthly basis.?

Any news on any leftover blood and can it be tested to see if it had an additive to it? (That nurses keep in their vials.)

Did BC take a polygraph? Did anyone else?

Thanks

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[mrsNKY]

#2 is something that has been extrapolated from the Sheriff mistakenly saying Becca CALLED Papaw that morning, when she did not.

#3 is what Becca TOLD me and several other people at the beginning of all of this - that she asked him to pick up her mascara and he offered to do the laundry so she wouldn't have to that evening.

#1 is what Becca POSTED on FB - which is where my confusion is. She told me (and others) one thing, then posted something different....

Thank you for replying. Wow! It seems as though you all get fed some so much contradictory information. I am truly sorry that this is happening to you. All of it. It's a shame what happened to papaw, for sure. It also has to be major complicated to hear and process all of the fallout after. The inconsistancies and life in general must weigh on all of you right now. Prayers for peace to find you soon!

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[Pmerle00]

...I understand the need to be concerned about financial change; however you have also got to think everything else has been cut down in half too. Instead of paying bills and living expenses for two, you are paying for one...

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I agree with some of the other things you said, but wanted to point out the backward economies of scale going down from 2 people to 1. It doesn't mean that expenses are halved. Washer still has to be run just about as often for clean clothes, just with smaller loads. Dishwasher still has to operate daily, just maybe not full. Groceries can scale down, but cooking for 1 person still costs about the same as cooking for 2. Mortgage is still being paid regardless of how many people live there, and now another place to live on top of that. Gas costs go down for the car, but home utilities for 1 person stay about the same as for 2.

 

[Pmerle00]

I'm not understanding a drop in income. His checks were deposited into their joint checking account. She sold his truck and the Mustang, so that's a chunk of change there. She's still working, and probably has less in the way of utilities and groceries since there's one less person at home obviously. So what drop in income? I'm not getting that. Looks like she's the opposite and sitting on a nice bank roll.


*All statements are of my own opinion unless otherwise specified.*

please refer to my recent post about the DROP fund and their payments being cut in half. Somewhere around page 50.

 

[Pmerle00]

So BC doesn't have to pay to maintain those vehicles then? They aren't an expense she needs to worry about?

Generally, classic vehicles DO need to be maintained and they do come at an expense and need to have someone with knowledge of the car's specifics maintain them. There's not a set monthly cost for the vehicles, there aren't any payments on any of them that I am aware of, but they are not free to keep unless you want them to waste away.

 

[Pmerle00]

Thank you for replying. Wow! It seems as though you all get fed some so much contradictory information. I am truly sorry that this is happening to you. All of it. It's a shame what happened to papaw, for sure. It also has to be major complicated to hear and process all of the fallout after. The inconsistancies and life in general must weigh on all of you right now. Prayers for peace to find you soon!

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Unfortunately, I cannot tell which inconsistencies are purposefully being told to me and which are just someone mis-remembering... Which breaks my heart.

 

[MayBell]

"Being the extremely helpful guy Papaw is, the chances are good that he'd have said, "Sure, let's go." locked the door behind him and hopped on the ATV...."

But why would he push the lock in to lock the door, and not take keys? He would have to know he would not be able to get back in when he returned.

Edited to say.... I am so sorry, I don't post much at all and I think I replied to someones post incorrectly. I'll get it figured out....

 

[Deleted member 50844]

"Being the extremely helpful guy Papaw is, the chances are good that he'd have said, "Sure, let's go." locked the door behind him and hopped on the ATV...."

But why would he push the lock in to lock the door, and not take keys? He would have to know he would not be able to get back in when he returned.

Edited to say.... I am so sorry, I don't post much at all and I think I replied to someones post incorrectly. I'll get it figured out....

Right, someone else asked this. Maybe he did it out of habit, but being in a hurry didn't think to grab his keys. Maybe, realizing he'd locked himself out, he thought, "Well wife will be home by the time I get back." Or maybe it didn't cross his mind at all. I think we have probably all locked ourselves out of someplace. Maybe he wouldn't have locked the door? Maybe someone else was in that shop after he 'left'.

I have too many theories floating around in my head.

 

[mrsNKY]

Unfortunately, I cannot tell which inconsistencies are purposefully being told to me and which are just someone mis-remembering... Which breaks my heart.

I am sure it is complicated and plays tug-o-war with you emotionally. Sometimes you have a hard time separating your brain and your heart, truth from lies and whom to trust and whom not to. I have not had an experience like you are having, but some heart wrenching events and that is how I felt.

I hope he will speak to one of you soon and things will make sense and you will figure it all out. He seems like he was a very peaceful man and I'm sure he would want all of you to gain peace too. He must be proud of all of you and the way you are conducting yourselves and fighting for what the truth is and what is right. No matter what. (((Hugs)))

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